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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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Note: You may want to refer to the list of raga based film songs before posting a query.

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• From: mani (@ mc-11-240.tm.net.my) on: Sun Nov 15 21:57:51 EST 1998
  
  vanakam..
  can u help me to give the nandri solla unake from marumalrchi film song lyric......
  
  pls help me tq
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Nov 16 10:17:01 EST 1998
  
  Mani: 'Nanri solla' has KEERAVANI touches to it. It probably the Pure Mela or a derivative.
  
  Dhandapani: Arisi Kutthum sounds a lot like Suddha Saveri, your first guess......It may have some accidentals, which have lead Murali Shankar to point to Sankarabarnam, it's Mela. Another song in Suddha Saveri is Manamagale in Devar Magan/Adi Aathi nenjil Pattan poochi parakudhaa in Pasum Ponn........The Graha Bedham will cause the Mohanam sound.....
  
  Ragapriyan: R1 G1 M2 D1 N1 N2 notes...a tough one.
  
  This Ragam seems to be a mixture of notes from SALAGAM - Mela 37 (without Sa and Pa - with N1) and JALARNAVAM - Mela 38 (without Sa and Pa - with N2) - I will consult my RAGA PRAVAHAM book, as I can't at the moment find an Internet source which gives any Janyas of these two Ragas. One of the N's can be considered accidental, but the name of the Raga may exist anyway.
  
  
• From: YGeetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Mon Nov 16 10:17:12 EST 1998
  
  Mani: 'Nanri solla' has KEERAVANI touches to it. It probably the Pure Mela or a derivative.
  
  Dhandapani: Arisi Kutthum sounds a lot like Suddha Saveri, your first guess......It may have some accidentals, which have lead Murali Shankar to point to Sankarabarnam, it's Mela. Another song in Suddha Saveri is Manamagale in Devar Magan/Adi Aathi nenjil Pattan poochi parakudhaa in Pasum Ponn........The Graha Bedham will cause the Mohanam sound, I believe.....
  
  Ragapriyan: R1 G1 M2 D1 N1 N2 notes...a tough one.
  
  This Ragam seems to be a mixture of notes from SALAGAM - Mela 37 (without Sa and Pa - with N1) and JALARNAVAM - Mela 38 (without Sa and Pa - with N2) - I will consult my RAGA PRAVAHAM book, as I can't at the moment find an Internet source which gives any Janyas of these two Ragas. One of the N's can be considered accidental, but the name of the Raga may exist anyway.
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02957.mayo.edu) on: Mon Nov 16 13:20:58 EST 1998
  
  Dear Ragapriyan
  
  Your question might have a simple answer than you think?!
  
  Your notes R1 G1 M2 D1 N1 N2 can be interpreted as Sa R2 M1 Pa D2 N1 if you did grahebeda and considered your R1 as Sa.
  
  From the notes you have traced, looks like the first line starts with R1 and ends R1. This would be extremely peculiar to say the least. Secondly, most of the Music Directors in Film music try to show you a Sa or Pa during the first few lines to establish a baseline.
  
  Dear YGeetha
  
  Your explanation about Salagam and Jalarnavam may indeed be right, but my guess is for the most part Ragapriyan's tracing has a much simpler interpretation. I think his notes are basically sudha saveri with N1 as per his notes which have the sudha dhanyasi touch to it as well.
  
  However, I do have a doubt about Salagam and Jalarnavam you mention. When they perform these ragas how is one to tune the Tambura???
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Mon Nov 16 15:34:05 EST 1998
  
  Hi Friends,
  First time here. I have a bet with my friend that "chalakku chalakku selai" (sembaruthi) and "anandakkuyilin pattu" (kadalukku mariyadai) sounds same and are in chakravagam.
  
  Could anybody pls clarify ?
  Thanks !
  Vasu
  
  
• From: raja (@ spider-ta074.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Nov 16 18:50:28 EST 1998
  
  Has anyone updated the CM list of TFM and if so, where can I find it?
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02957.mayo.edu) on: Tue Nov 17 18:38:54 EST 1998
  
  Dear Ragapriyan and YGeetha
  
  Where are you guys? Why no comment on my posting?
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02957.mayo.edu) on: Tue Nov 17 18:39:20 EST 1998
  
  Dear Ragapriyan and YGeetha
  
  Where are you guys? Why no comments on my posting?
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Tue Nov 17 22:45:39 EST 1998
  
  YGeetha:
  
  I think I confused you with my notations.. Recall
  that I am using s r1 r2 g1 g2 m1 m2 d1 d2 n1 n2 S
  R1 etc. So, for example the fourth note I am
  calling as G1 whereas I think you are used to
  calling it as G2. Apologies for any confusion
  caused. I request your revised views.
  
  Sashi:
  
  Fixing s at r1 as you suggest, it appears that
  Harikamboji fits well because G2 (i.e, M1 shifted
  down one note) is occuring in the higher octave.
  However, I do not know whether the song's sequence
  of notes resembles the usual patterns of HKamboji.
  
  I don't know if you have already found this out:
  This song is: yE shaam mastaani from the
  movie, Katti Pathang; MD: RDBurman. It is a very
  beautiful melody, sung with a happy but expectant
  mood, by an young fellow. (Singer: Kishore, Actor:
  Rajesh Khanna; movie came in the 1960's.) I got
  interested in the song because the mood of the
  song appeared close to ennai thaalaatta varuvaaLaa
  of Kadhalukku Mariyadhai. I wanted to find out if
  the 2 songs are in the same scale, buit clearly
  they are not. One resemblance I can see between
  the 2 songs is the similar way in which the notes
  ascend and descend in the first line of the song;
  also the beats and timing in that line are close!
  
  P.S. I didn't give the identity of the song in my
  first posting simply because, if I mention it,
  Ravi will immediately remove the posting saying
  it is about HFM. :-))
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02957.mayo.edu) on: Wed Nov 18 09:03:08 EST 1998
  
  Dear Ragapriyan
  
  Your clarification makes a little bit more sense.
  
  As I told you the song does not start in R1 as you thought. Also, you had not mentioned the M1 (as per your previous notation); this seems to be a new note that occurs in the higher octaves as per your recent posting. Note that I understood your scale notation (sar1r2g1g2m1m2p....) and I new you were not talking in terms of the sar1r2r3g1g2g3... notations.
  
  Anyway, just from the song you mention now (ye shaam...) I think the first note i.e "ye" is lower octave Pa and the pallavi ends in Sa. I will let you know of the raga tomorrow.
  
  Bye
  
  
• From: CM (@ kcpxy6.att.com) on: Wed Nov 18 17:48:19 EST 1998
  
  Guys is "Thaana vandha sandhanamE unai thazhuva.." from ooru vittu ooru vandhu karaharapriya?. Please clarify
  
  
• From: RR (@ harvest.ucar.edu) on: Wed Nov 18 20:54:45 EST 1998
  
  yes CM. It's in Karaharapriya
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Nov 18 22:03:32 EST 1998
  
  Shashi:
  
  Thanks for the comment on yE shaam. I don't
  understand how you placed "yE" at lower octave Pa.
  Please explain. Is it just by looking at the last note
  in the pallavi? Anyway, for the moment, if I assume
  that to be the case, then the song's raga seems
  to be Shankarabharanam (F# major scale). Am I
  guessing it right?
  
  P.S. I am glad that my notations didn't confuse
  you. Can you tell me which is the right notation
  to follow hereafter?
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Wed Nov 18 22:15:07 EST 1998
  
  Shashi:
  
  I forgot to add.. I know very very little about
  ragas and their characteristics. All that I do
  is take a particular song, listen to it closely
  a humpteen number of times, and toil with the
  Keyboard until I get it right. Then I list down
  the notes in the usual s r1 .. notation. This is
  what I did for yE shaam! I am really
  learning much more than that through interaction
  with experts like you and Geetha. So I would
  appreciate any detailed comments that will help me
  in my learning about ragas.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Nov 19 10:40:18 EST 1998
  
  Isn't SHANKARABARNAM the C MAJOR Scale?
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Thu Nov 19 17:39:07 EST 1998
  
  Shankarabharanam is indeed the C Major scale. or vice-versa ;-).
  
  there is even somewhere on the net ragas corresponding to western major/minor scales. If anybodys interested i can post it.
  
  Cheers
  
  
• From: Dorairaj Pichaiyan (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Thu Nov 19 18:54:20 EST 1998
  
  Can Anyone Tell me whats the raga for the following songs
  1. Raagam , Thanam Pallavi - Sankarabaranam
  2. Sankara - Do
  3. Manasa Sancharare - Do
  
  Thanks
  Dorai
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-3.rutgers.edu) on: Fri Nov 20 01:23:00 EST 1998
  
  1. Raagam, Thanam Pallavi - starts out in ChArukesi and goes through sArangA, kedAram, DevagAndhAri etc (the names of the ragAs come in the song)
  2. sankara - do not know
  
  3. Manasa sancharare - sAmA
  
  
• From: Vasu (@ mail.netrisk.com) on: Fri Nov 20 13:52:40 EST 1998
  
  Dorairaj:
  if you meant 'Omkara nadanu..." its set on Shankarabharanam
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ wrath.cs.umass.edu) on: Fri Nov 20 15:20:16 EST 1998
  
  Guys... TFM please..
  
  
• From: saketh (@ calloway-a-asy-1.rutgers.edu) on: Sat Nov 21 13:46:05 EST 1998
  
  Is the song "ilamai idho idho" from the movie "sagalakalAvallavan" based on SankarAbharanam? (or its scale?)
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Sat Nov 21 23:01:21 EST 1998
  
  Geetha:
  
  I simply placed Sa at F# and called it Shankarabaranam.
  I may be wrong in saying such a thing.
  Is there a raga name for F# major scale?
  
  Shashi:
  
  What happened to you? No final answers on yE shaam?
  
  
• From: Lakshmi (@ bbn-cache-2.cisco.com) on: Mon Nov 23 03:31:16 EST 1998
  
  Is "Gowri Manohariyai kanden" in Gowri Manohari
  Raga ? Also "Keeravani iravilae kanavilae" in
  keeravani Raga ? I assumed that bcoz the song starts with that name ?
  
  
• From: Shashi (@ eed02968.mayo.edu) on: Mon Nov 23 10:36:01 EST 1998
  
  Hi Ragapriyan Final answer on Ye Shaam...---based mainly on Shankarabharanam notes with an additional M2 at the anupallavi's/charanam's last line. I cannot
  name a raga for this song, but as usual in cinematic music songs based on a particular scale with added notes are quite common. Finally, the songs opening note, ie.
  'ye' is lower octave Pa and the pallavi closes with Sa. This makes perfect sense as whenever you end a song you would always want to comeback to the 'baseline'
  so to speak.
  
  
• From: Ragapriyan (@ 202.54.37.18) on: Tue Nov 24 07:08:24 EST 1998
  
  Shashi:
  
  Thanks.
  
  

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