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Why ARR ignores established/Senior singers?

Topic started by NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on Tue Aug 6 10:50:06 EDT 2002.
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ARR always promoted new, unheard voices right from the beginning, he always used senior and established singers like PS, SPB,SJ, Yesudass, Mano, Chitra for very less songs. He promoted many new singers. One benefit he got out of this is that we are able to hear fresh voices, but on the other hand he lost the quality of songs by compromising with horrible pronounciation of these singers, lack of experience and definetely missing the punch those experienced singers had.

There are lot of songs, I thought the song would have better if sang by somebody else. Latest BABA too has a wrong selection of singers. Particularly Shankar Mahadevan and Reena Bhardwaj. I would have preferred Sujatha over Reena. What could be the reason?

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Responses:

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• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Fri Aug 9 10:16:07 EDT 2002
  
  Nijam
  
  SPB though from Andhra, see his Tamil diction it is near perfect where as Shankar has an accent, and mispronounces quite often. Thats the difference. Also SM renders some songs very badly few songs good without consistancy.
  
  AVR,
  
  PS was ignored even when her voice was better than any other singers introduced. I think she sang for ARR for only 2 songs. Chitra is even now better than Sadhana, Kavita, Even the latest Reena.
  
  My point is new singers are always welcome, but they need to be good. Not everybody can become singers. We are paying to hear the voices/music. Atleast they need to be good in many aspects. I feel Unless MD is getting benifit out of them, he/she doenst introduce new singers. May be he need not pay to new singers so they are introducing. Otherwise why in the hell one would introduce singers with many faults?
  
  
• From: sarat (@ 128.192.5.156) on: Fri Aug 9 10:42:25 EDT 2002
  
  I think ARR talked about this in one of his early interviews. The idea of using singers with not-so-perfect singing capabilities.
  take nusrat for example.
  he doesnt have the SPB or Rafi voice, and im sure there are some people who have problems with the way he sings his songs. But hey, hes world famous.
  same with Shankar M. hes one of the most sought after vocal artists for any fusion effort, and well appreciated around the world. instead of picking on his faults, if we can appreciate his singing capabilites, we can start liking his songs too.
  SPB is/was a very good singer. But IMO he gets bigger than the song and the picturisation and all you can picture in your mind when you listen to his songs is SPB in front of the mike.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Fri Aug 9 11:29:56 EDT 2002
  
  Sarat;
  
  >>But IMO he gets bigger than the song and the picturisation and all you can picture in your mind when you listen to his songs is SPB in front of the mike.
  <<
  
  what do u mean?
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Fri Aug 9 11:32:44 EDT 2002
  
  NCR,
  
  "SPB though from Andhra, see his Tamil diction it is near perfect"
  
  -Absolutely..
  
  "PS was ignored even when her voice was better than any other singers introduced"
  
  - Bitter truth...
  
  "My point is new singers are always welcome, but they need to be good. Not everybody can become singers. We are paying to hear the voices/music. Atleast they need to be good in many aspects."
  
  - You got the crux of the problem. New singers must be good because we pay to hear them. Let alone the artistic view. As a consumer I expect that they be worth I ma paying for.
  
  Sarat,
  
  
  "SPB is/was a very good singer. But IMO he gets bigger than the song and the picturisation and all you can picture in your mind when you listen to his songs is SPB in front of the mike."
  
  - You just said what I knew all my life but never able to express. IMHO i feel that is the perfection and the absolute standard which I expect from every song but not to my surprise only SPB is able to do this.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Fri Aug 9 11:59:11 EDT 2002
  
  Sarat,
  
  You brought in a good reference. Nusret Fateh Ali khan was a great Sufi Singer with a great magic in voice. Rusty voice though you will be amazed listening to him. He didnt have a voice SPB, Kishore or Rafi, but who cares? See how he renders a song. ARR worked with him but for Vandemataram which was terrific. Can you imagine him for a Tamil song? You would loose all the respect you have for him.
  
  Udit sings great in Hindi, but you and me all know how bad singer he is in Tamil. Thats what counts. When I am listening to a Tamil song, why would I need Udit. ARR's selection of singers for songs was always inconsistent. Can anybody complain Unnikrishnan for Ennavale in Kadalan? But I complain the same guy for Roja Roja in Kaadal Desam. He cannot sound good for those type of songs. Similarly Hariharan for telephone manipol. ( the part sirippaval ivalaaa ). Hariharan is a great singer and also mostly sought but see how he reneders that song.
  
  We are not here to find faults, we are here to enjoy. But are we getting the quality songs? Did we find this many problems, faults in singers upto 1980's. Answer will be a BIG NO. Those are filtered before they came in to public. Since MD's want to give best, the filtering happened. This is not happening now.
  
  
• From: paradox (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Fri Aug 9 13:06:23 EDT 2002
  
  If people complain that ARR composes for only a few movies, his fans would respond saying , ARR is insisting on quality rather than quantity (lets not get into what they mean quality).
  
  But, if people complain the quality of singers/singing he intorduces, they say we need quantity (more singers) and quality doesn't matter.
  
  How strange ...
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Fri Aug 9 15:29:55 EDT 2002
  
  Hariharan and Unni Krishnan cannot handle variety of songs. They are more suited to those slow melodies with their voice. They are no match for SPB and KJY. KJY used to sing variety of songs.
  Example Thanni thotti thedi vandha and Mari Mari from sindhu bhairavi. SPB has reached great heights where Hariharan won't even dare to reach.
  Bottomline is Hariharan and UK have limitations.
  Udit narayan is a disgrace to tamil music. Chitrha was introduced by IR. Because she was very good. Swarnalatha was introduced. Because she was good. Uma Ramanan is also a great singer.
  But current singers are pretty ordinary. Even today SPB and KJY are far better than any of the singers in the world.
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Fri Aug 9 15:30:45 EDT 2002
  
  Correction
  
  any of the singers in the world
  
  should be
  
  any of the singers in tamil film world
  
  
• From: Nijam (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Fri Aug 9 22:41:46 EDT 2002
  
  Let's see who else was introduced & promoted by IR:
  
  Keechu kural SP Sailaja
  Puriyaatha puthir Jency
  Mooku paadagar Malaysia Vasu
  Vada naattu imports Lata Mangeshkar & Asha Bhosle
  Yucky kuralon Arun mozhi
  Imitation peroli Mano
  And nail-across blackboard voice IR himself!
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.231.132) on: Sat Aug 10 08:15:52 EDT 2002
  
  let's c..
  "most sought after list"
  1. Shankar M
  2. Hariharan
  3. Anuradha Sriram
  4. Unnikrishnan
  5. Sujatha
  
  y r they "most sought after?? who launched them all into tamil films?? ponder.. get back to me.
  
  
• From: correct (@ 210.214.1.105) on: Sat Aug 10 12:03:20 EDT 2002
  
  curses :
  
  
  sujatha was ot introduced by arr it was ir, whe she was 16 yrs old. in the film jhonny.
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Sat Aug 10 13:33:57 EDT 2002
  
  Hariharan, Unnikrishnan, Shankar M cannot be bracketed with SPB and KJY. I cannot imagine Unnikrishnan singing KJY's 'Vedham Nee Iniya Nadham Nee'. But i can imagine KJY singing any song UK has sung. Same way I cannot imagine Hariharan singing 'Mannil indha Kadhal' song. But SPB can sing any song better than Hariharan has sung. Anurada sriram is modern L.R.Eswari. S.P.Shailaja is far better than her. Shankar M is just a hyped up singer. His vocal in baba is anything but impressive. Sujatha was intro'ed by IR. But she was too young. Janaki was handling variety of songs during 80s. Chitra made her entry in mid 80s. Both are gifted singers. It is the MD who decide which singer should sing in his music. Curses.. the singers you mentioned are fit only for select type of songs. SPB sang illayanila in the same movie he sang Atha Athorama. KJY sang mari mari in the same movie he sang Thanni thotti. Do not compare them with UK and HH. They themselves won't accept your argument.
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.231.225) on: Sun Aug 11 00:01:26 EDT 2002
  
  correct:
  check this out..
  http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/mp/2002/08/07/stories/2002080700030200.htm
  
  now.. i'm utterly confused!
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.231.225) on: Sun Aug 11 00:03:49 EDT 2002
  
  unmai:
  i was jus explainin the "most sought after" phenomenon.
  check out the old responses.
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ 195.92.198.71) on: Sun Aug 11 04:05:43 EDT 2002
  
  Unmai;
  
  >>SPB has reached great heights where Hariharan won't even dare to reach. <<
  
  of course, every one knows that, no body is stupid enough to compare hari with the great SPB.
  
  Hari, unni & the clowns like Udit, Sukvinder, Kumar Sanu, Sonu are good jokers, haha
  
  
• From: Gopal (@ 195.92.198.71) on: Sun Aug 11 04:13:24 EDT 2002
  
  http://www.cse.iitb.ac.in:8000/proxy/chandra/~satish/spbalu/spbaw.html
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Aug 12 04:42:42 EDT 2002
  
  Unamai;
  
  KJY singing "thanni thotti" was a BIG mistake, that is not his type of song, KJY should stick to Carnatic / melody / pathoes type songs, i do not agree with u on the fact that KJY is versatile, SPB is the most versatile singer.
  
  
• From: a (@ 156.153.254.42) on: Mon Aug 12 05:27:59 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu
  >> versatile singer
  That means SPB is only suitable to sing "thanni thotti" ....
  
  well it height of the time to give u any explanations like what is versatile and a devoted singers and music composers....
  
  
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Mon Aug 12 09:17:07 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu is right.
  
  Versatile singer means one who could sing any type of song and bring out the best even in a otherwise lousy song. SPB can sing any type of song and adds lots of his own improvements to any song.
  
  Example are
  1) Classical songs
  2) Romantic songs
  3) Melonchalic songs
  4) Songs with very happy, bubbling and exuberant moods
  5) Touchy (Urukkamana songs )
  6) Pathos songs
  ......
  
  
  Why do I say he adds lot of improvements? Because I do not see any other male singer doing to the extent SPB has done. He has got a style that is phenominal.
  
  TFM definitely loosing by not utiling him fully nowadays.
  
  KJY in IMHO does not fare well in songs that bring out happy moods. He is certainly not the best for romantic songs. Some of his songs I have to listen to the lyrics to understand if they are happy or pathos songs.
  Ex: Thendral Katre konjam Nillu and Vaa Vaa anbe poojai undu.. these songs from a movie (I forgot)...For quite some time I got wrongly which is ahppy and which is pathos.
  
  Again dont hit me with comments saying KJY is a great in karnatic music etc.. for I have never disagreed on those points. I am talking about TFM.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Mon Aug 12 10:15:18 EDT 2002
  
  Siva;
  
  >>Why do I say he adds lot of improvements? Because I do not see any other male singer doing to the extent SPB has done. He has got a style that is phenominal.
  <<
  
  >>KJY in IMHO does not fare well in songs that bring out happy moods. He is certainly not the best for romantic songs. Some of his songs I have to listen to the lyrics to understand if they are happy or pathos songs.
  Ex: Thendral Katre konjam Nillu and Vaa Vaa anbe poojai undu.. these songs from a movie (I forgot)...For quite some time I got wrongly which is ahppy and which is pathos.
  <<
  
  very very true!, I also have 2 listen to the lyrics of Non- SPB song to determine whether it is happy song or sad song.
  
  NCR;
  
  sorry for the digression!
  
  

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