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IR-back to Glory. OK, but when??

Topic started by Vimal (@ lib-ws-167.lib.asu.edu) on Sun May 9 18:59:21 EDT 1999.
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Hey Guys,
There has been one worrying factor lingering in my mind for many days. The number of persons loyal to IR is approaching zero. Someone had posted that even Fazil has left IR that crap movie-maker called Kalanjiyam has also ditched IR. What it all implies is we can't expect many movies from IR in future.

The probability that IR will work with ManiRathnam is near zero. KB, BR, have all left IR. Even Rajnikanth and not to forget Kamalhaasan.
So, whereand how is it all going to end?
I mean, we should not people like Deva even exist
in TFM!! How many of guys have bought a CD of Deva
with awe? I can bet it'll be near zero!

There is a degradation in TFM and the only way out
is IR joining hands with all these glorified people again. Any comments??

I'm also interested in knowing the background behind the bickerings between IR and all these people. I know we have many "FILM NEWS ANANDAN"s
in the forum. Guys, what happened?

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Responses:

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• From: e.hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Tue May 11 13:35:21 EDT 1999
  
  vimal,
  IR may not be one of the best directors in the country, but he is one of the most popular.
  
  :-) dont worry, he will never be :-)
  
  
  raja fan,
  Is it some communication going on a among hard core IR fans here?. Whats the deal with this back-patting? IMO, srinath review on ESK will be enjoyable only for hard core IR fans, no for others.
  
  I dont think, Ir can win back directors. Most of the directors who received such a harsh treatment from IR, may not want to have IR back, at any cost. IF you look at the people who are still working with IR, most of them are just jalras.
  people like raj kiran, sangli murugan, kalijanam,
  kkyar, RVU and others, never tried of worshipping IR for any cost, and IR want to have only people of that nature. He cant manage people with little self-respect, pride.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Tue May 11 13:35:30 EDT 1999
  
  vimal,
  IR may not be one of the best directors in the country, but he is one of the most popular.
  
  :-) dont worry, he will never be :-)
  
  
  raja fan,
  Is it some communication going on a among hard core IR fans here?. Whats the deal with this back-patting? IMO, srinath review on ESK will be enjoyable only for hard core IR fans, no for others.
  
  I dont think, Ir can win back directors. Most of the directors who received such a harsh treatment from IR, may not want to have IR back, at any cost. IF you look at the people who are still working with IR, most of them are just jalras.
  people like raj kiran, sangli murugan, kalijanam,
  kkyar, RVU and others, never tried of worshipping IR for any cost, and IR want to have only people of that nature. He cant manage people with little self-respect, pride.
  
  hari
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue May 11 13:50:30 EDT 1999
  
  Mr Kuzhapam,
  IR is not the one who fought with KB. It was infact KB, who had some differences with IR because IR could not complete re-recording in Time for the movie which has the Guruvayurappa song (I forgot the name). KB went on his own to complete re-recording with music bits from KB and IR's old movies. There started the problem. Lets not forget the fact that KB is another guy with tons of ego more than what he is worth.
  
  Can you tell me one movie where IR betrayed KB, MR , BR or for that matter Kovai thambi in terms of Output and performance. Infact MR and BR's success can be primarily attributed to IRs music and nothing else.
  
  When a guy has extraordinary talent and genius, one has to respect him. IR did not demand huge money for his work like the current MDs.
  
  Last, IR even now, is not the loser. Its the Tamil Film fans who are the real losers by throwing IR out of the limelight
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue May 11 13:54:19 EDT 1999
  
  Hari,
  IR never likes jalara parties. He is a performer and hard worker. If he like only jalaras then why did he rework for BR in Naadodithenral when BR approached him after a 2 year break.
  
  What about IR working for Agathiyan in KK. Due you say Agathiyan is also a jalara party. Come on give me a break!!!.
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue May 11 13:57:39 EDT 1999
  
  "Due" should read as "do"
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ ss04.nc.us.ibm.com) on: Tue May 11 14:08:49 EDT 1999
  
  Oh ! Excuse me Hari...but are you flaming me ? My review was not meant to please anyone. I was just expressing my opinions. What did you expect ? That I would fall in love, head over heels with ESK and become one of those unmentionables ? The so-called "Objective DFers" ? I'm sorry you're mistaken !
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Tue May 11 14:28:03 EDT 1999
  
  Srinath,
  
  First, please clarify one thing - "Objective DFers" appadinna enna? Onnu ellaarayum (MSV, KVM, IR, ARR, Deva, Sirpi, VS, etc.) thittanum - illainna ellaarayum rasikkanum? appadidhaanae? Illai vera yedhaavadhu artham irukka?
  
  Hari,
  
  I really liked Srinath's review of ESK and "Padayappa" and I am not a HCIRF or a HCARRF. (I am not objective also as I don't listen to Deva or Sirpi:-)))) Even Ram, an ARR fan said it was a honest review. And, so I don't think your statement "only HCIR fans will enjoy Srinath's review" is correct. In fact, it was me who suggested ESK to Srinath and except for that "Theendai" song, he has given a good, complete review of all other songs.
  
  
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Tue May 11 14:31:30 EDT 1999
  
  And Hari,
  
  Even though I disagree with certain things in Srinath's review of ESK, like the comments he made on Chitra and UK in the "Thirakkaadha KaattukkuLLae" song, I still feel it is a good review. And, I don't think you can call a review as a good one, only if the review matches your taste. As Srinath said, it is his opinion and he has also substantiated all his points and that is why I said it is a good review.
  
  
• From: Mr.Kuzapam (@ 206.139.13.152) on: Tue May 11 14:34:59 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai :
  
  "Can you tell me one movie where IR betrayed KB, MR , BR or for that matter Kovai thambi in terms of Output and performance. "
  
  Once again we are discussing musical talents,
  Inspite of best output he gives why the heck clients ran away from IR. If it is only one or two directors what you say will be true, Majority of the directors had a rift with him.
  IR wants domination, he makes sure his cutout is put high above everyone, (this was not liked by Bhagyaraj, he avoided IR totally.)
  Simlary everyone has thier story.
  
  "Infact MR and BR's success can be primarily attributed to IRs music and nothing else. ""
  
  Come on, give us a break!, this might apply to Raj kiran or Rama rajan , not to MR or BR.
  
  Btw: Both did produce good movies even without IR
  
  IRFANS: Once again do not kizuchify other artists talents to raise IR talent.
  
  
  
• From: kiru (@ surf0004.sybase.com) on: Tue May 11 14:38:39 EDT 1999
  
  People are dissing IR in this thread. As a IR fan I dont even mind that !!! but whats bothering me is :) that Mani Ratnam is mentioned in the same breath as bhArathi rAjA, bhAgyarAj, bAlachander.. hmm..commercial success seems to be the test for talent..:-(
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue May 11 14:44:04 EDT 1999
  
  Mr Kuzhapam,
  Tell me one so called great movie MR produced after Nayagan, Mounaragam. Similarly, BR I can say produced one good movie Kizhakuchemaiyele. But in 6 years he could do one good movie only. You can see the degradation yourself.
  
  Infact, I am like both BR and MR. But the fact is you need a good team to produce great movies. IR has and has been playing a great role to enhance the quality of movies. Direction alone will not help. Its like Paruppu Ilatha Sambar!!!!
  
  
• From: SM (@ nat01smurugap.sgum.mci.com) on: Tue May 11 15:11:10 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai,
  
  > Direction alone will not help
  
  True!!!! So, will music alone help? Never. IR played an important role in the success of every movie he had been a part of. But, that doesn't mean that the others played no part in the success of a film - even a lightboy has to play his part in the success of a film.
  
  "Infact MR and BR's success can be primarily attributed to IRs music and nothing else. ""
  
  I can partially agree with your above statement. Of course, I too believe MR ought to owe his success to IR. But, BR was different. He too needs to attribute a large part of his success to IR - but he had his own style. That man has some real talent. He has also made his own contribution to TF by shooting outdoors - making film people come out of the studios. Even without IR, he has given a very good film "Kizhakku Cheemaiyilae". What about "Vedam Pudhidhu"? IR was not the MD of that film. Still, it was a success. So, kindly don't bring down other people's hard work just to elevate IR. IR himself may not agree with that.
  
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue May 11 15:41:22 EDT 1999
  
  SM,
  I am a great fan of BR and MR. But what I wanted to insist is BR and MR gave great movies with IR's music. BR and MR are great directors with their own stuff and might have give some good movies even with out IR. But the point is, how many good movies are they able to give out without IR. Very Few.
  
  Its the team work with which all these directors are able to give great movies. With the downfall of IR, see the degradation of content and quality of the movies directed by MR and BR.
  
  MR produced Roja, Bombay, Iruvar, Uyire. Can you call anyone of these movies as exceptional work by MR when compared with his previous grear films like Nayagan, Mounaragam?. Honestly, I can't say that. Take the case of BR, with one movie in 7 or 8 years after he broke with IR , BR's recent films are not that great when compared with his first 10 movies when he worked with IR. I am not disputting the fact that BR is a great director even now. But there is no rythym or the classical touch in his movies after he broke with IR. Thats because IR used to give life to each and every directorial move of BR with his BGM. BR in turn, used to interpret IR's songs and interludes just aptly and perfectly and picturize them so nicely. Now thats all totally missing in his movies.
  
  Thats where the degradation is.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ charon.amdahl.com) on: Tue May 11 15:43:21 EDT 1999
  
  Hari:
  
  I feel that MR, BR and KB owe their success to a large eextent to IR. They r talented no doubt, but IR elevated their output to levels beyond ordinary.
  
  For example, none of the MR movies had background orchestration anywhere near Nayakan. The background orchestration in Uyirae was pathetic, often nothing more than jumble of noise. While Roja had good songs, the background was far below average. There is something about IR. He can really feel the pulse of the story and give a song that captures the mood. ARR has a long way to go on that count. May be that's why MR,BR etc. have not made great movies without IR.
  
  Ideally, IR can be more professional in his approah, but tell me if the directors can have a bloated ego why not IR?
  
  I think the trend of the 90's has been a shift towards cinematography and choreography, thereby reducing the music content in the movie. May be that's why the directors are able to do with MDs far less talented than IR.
  
  
• From: Karthik (@ charon.amdahl.com) on: Tue May 11 15:44:24 EDT 1999
  
  Hari:
  
  I feel that MR, BR and KB owe their success to a large eextent to IR. They r talented no doubt, but IR elevated their output to levels beyond ordinary.
  
  For example, none of the MR movies had background orchestration anywhere near Nayakan. The background orchestration in Uyirae was pathetic, often nothing more than jumble of noise. While Roja had good songs, the background was far below average. There is something about IR. He can really feel the pulse of the story and give a song that captures the mood. ARR has a long way to go on that count. May be that's why MR,BR etc. have not made great movies without IR.
  
  Ideally, IR can be more professional in his approah, but tell me if the directors can have a bloated ego why not IR?
  
  I think the trend of the 90's has been a shift towards cinematography and choreography, thereby reducing the music content in the movie. May be that's why the directors are able to do with MDs far less talented than IR.
  
  

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