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Copied songs in TFM

Topic started by SRIKANTH (@ 95.minneapolis-07.mn.dial-access.att.net) on Fri Jan 9 19:18:56 EST 1998.
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• From: junior (@ 194.170.2.5) on: Tue Aug 25 07:30:22 EDT 1998
  
  deva copied this song from Junoons album(sayoonee) in the fil kanathilee thondrinall.... staring prashanth
  
  
• From: Rajaraman (@ 192.122.140.73) on: Tue Aug 25 10:08:14 EDT 1998
  
  Balaji,
  "yeh pappiyaan" was copied in Raajaali. Music by Arvind Siddhartha.
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Tue Aug 25 11:48:03 EDT 1998
  
  Deva & Brothers means Copy Copy means Deva & Brothers.
  
  Down! Down!! Down!!! deva & brothers
  
  
• From: Venkat (@ portal.ameritech.com) on: Tue Aug 25 11:52:21 EDT 1998
  
  If you Take Film Annamalai Three song were copied from IR.
  One song From Udyam Song Is "Botany Class"
  in annamalai is "kondaiil "
  and From Chinna Gounder " is the cycle song
  in annamalai.
  
  
  
• From: bull (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Wed Aug 26 00:03:15 EDT 1998
  
  Muthax : Are you talking about thilOththamaa?
  
  
• From: MPR (@ dyn07.iacc-t23.ndsu.nodak.edu) on: Wed Aug 26 00:11:16 EDT 1998
  
  Ilaiyaraaja has used some guitar pieces
  from 'The Wall' by Pink Floyd in the second
  interlude of the song 'rAsAvE unnai thAn' from
  'thanik kAttu rAjA'. Did anybody notice it?
  
  
• From: junior (@ 194.170.168.94) on: Tue Sep 1 12:06:42 EDT 1998
  
  ir's Anjali WAS copied from Michael jacksons album, I have no idea if this is true confirm please i read this on a forum on tamil thirai vila on indolink
  
  
• From: Ravi (@ envy.cs.umass.edu) on: Tue Sep 1 16:09:24 EDT 1998
  
  junior: The person to ask is the guy who posted this on thirai isai valai. Ask him to substantiate his charge, before you propagate it. :-).
  
  
• From: sriki (@ 206-228-182.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 2 00:48:16 EDT 1998
  
  talking about lifts, I was majorly disappointed when I heard the strains of Polveli Polveli, Oru Pani Thuli... from an English song. wheres the
  OruG4T (naalu T) gone ?
  
  
• From: sriki (@ 206-228-182.ipt.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 2 01:10:59 EDT 1998
  
  
  
  Again, no point in discussing, and cursing over lifts.Even ARR is "reputed" to haveone of the best music samples archives and
  from this point it is a q of mix n match. Well Im not belittling efforts of any one. One theory of mine is " Maybe we are using too
  many western music instruments, electric based sounds, and naturally the sounds produced gels with Western notes."
  
  
• From: maha (@ 202.54.13.211) on: Wed Sep 2 05:23:46 EDT 1998
  
  Mano:
  'malarey mounama' is itself an unabashed adaptation of msv's master piece'muthukkalo kangal'in 'ooty varai uravu'.
  
  I listened to Vidya Sagar waxing eloquent on television about responses he received from fans as far as Australia.He should have redirected them to MSV .
  
  Incidentally, IR's violin embellishments in his interludes for "Raakamma Kaiayai thattu" have been liberally adapted by ARR in his "Veerapandi-k-kottaiyile".
  
  
• From: raja m (@ spider-ta071.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Sep 2 08:29:33 EDT 1998
  
  maha:
  
  Mutthukalo Kangal is from Nenjirukkum Varai. They sound similar, maybe based on the same ragam brindhavana saranga.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Thu Sep 3 08:34:10 EDT 1998
  
  maha/raja M: "Malare Mounama" is set in the Ragam Dharbari Kanada, "Mutthukalo Kanngal" is in Brindhavani/Brindhavana Saranga.....No connections here except for the fact that the Ragas both come from Karaharapriya......
  
  maha: Exactly in what way do these songs(Malare and Mutthugalo) have common occurrences? I can't see it in the Ragam or Thalam/Meter.....Please enlighten me.....
  
  Mano: About Nee kaatru Naan Maram, from Nilaave Vaa and Malare Mounama, they are both in the same Ragam and there are many similarities in the interludes and meter.....
  
  
• From: haris (@ 206.103.12.125) on: Fri Sep 4 10:45:31 EDT 1998
  
  'heard muthukkalo kangal is on the raga madhyamavathi and agreed that malare mounama is in darbari kanada. i dont' know whether madhyamavathi and d-kanada has any thing in common.
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Fri Sep 4 11:12:17 EDT 1998
  
  Haris: I'm sorry, I have to disagree with you about Mutthukalo Kanngal being in Madhyamavadhi(S R2 M1 P N2 S S N2 P M1 R2 S), It's quite a well known Brindhavana Saranga/Brindhavani(S R2 M1 P N3 S - S N2 P M1 R2 G2 S), as I've mentioned. The TFM raga list also backs my claim. Please take a look at this URL for Ragas of songs until 1994 - A new one is being prepared, currently.....
  
  http://coldfusion.newtfmpage.com/general/classical.html
  
  I too am still waiting with anticipation for a posting from MAHA, who is to give us substanciation that Vidhyasaagar has copied from Mutthukalo Kanngal....The Raga Dharbari Kanada also being a janya of the Melakartha Karaharapriya, but with such different notes and paryogams.
  
  
• From: rajesh (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Sep 6 08:50:25 EDT 1998
  
  A fascinating person to discuss would be M.veda of the sixties and seventies....it is perhaps no coincidence that hi name sounds so similar to deva...our man was perhaps the pioneer in importing hindi songs into TFM...
  
  Sample these :
  
  1.oraayiram paarvaile(iru vallavargal)
  
  == Sau baar janam lenge(sung by rafi...music director ..ravi, i guess)
  
  2. Manam ennum medai thanile..(from anothe rof the "vallavan " series of films)
  
  ==sau saal pehle se mujhe tum se pyar tha
  
  3. Naanathaale kangal..
  ==
  dil pukare(SDburman's immortal melody in jewel thief)
  
  Thats just for sample..Antha kaalathu deva avar!
  
  Rajesh
  
  
  
• From: rajesh (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Sep 6 08:57:00 EDT 1998
  
  Another song of IR taht intrigues me in its similarity to a old hindi song(i mean appatamana copy...I wish it weren't true, being a hard core ir-fan .But i can't deceive my ears!)
  
  Ohoho..kaalai kuyilgale from a parthiben-mohini
  starrer(the name was something like..unnidathil ennai koduthen)....
  this song is an exact replica of
  
  Khoya khoya chand ..from kala bazaar(sd burman)..
  looks like raja was SD fan himself.
  
  Rajesh
  
  
• From: rajesh (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Sep 6 09:01:13 EDT 1998
  
  Here's another of DEVA's kaivannams:
  
  baasha , i guess ,was one of greatest hits and true to form, our man has applied his 'lift' technology here also.
  
  Azhagu..nee nadanthaal is axerox of
  RD burman's
  dilbar...dil se pyare from caravan
  
  
  Somehow, naan autokkaran reminded me of
  
  raja's asai nooru vagai(rajini film)
  
  rajesh
  
  ps: looks like im flooding this thread...but what to do..these things are flashing in my mind in instalments.
  
  
• From: rajesh (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Sep 6 09:01:35 EDT 1998
  
  Here's another of DEVA's kaivannams:
  
  baasha , i guess ,was one of greatest hits and true to form, our man has applied his 'lift' technology here also.
  
  Azhagu..nee nadanthaal is axerox of
  RD burman's
  dilbar...dil se pyare from caravan
  
  
  Somehow, naan autokkaran reminded me of
  
  raja's asai nooru vagai(rajini film)
  
  rajesh
  
  ps: looks like im flooding this thread...but what to do..these things are flashing in my mind in instalments.
  
  
• From: rajesh (@ master.hyd.deshaw.com) on: Sun Sep 6 09:16:56 EDT 1998
  
  kasme vaade was from UPKAAR-A manoj kumar movie...music by kalyaanji-anandji.
  
  I have also heard about BM'S insistence causing IR to include this song..
  I will be happy if someone comes with a similar explanation for "ohoho kaalai kuyilgale".
  
  Rang bhare badal se from chandni was tuned by the duo shiv-hari.It would be interesting to know the actual identity of this duo.....
  
  none other than
  ShivKumar Sharma (Santoor exponent) and god old ....
  Hari prasad chaurasia!
  
  tHE DUO HAS SOME GRAEAT SCORES ..including the recent Lekin and Lamhe..that , i guess, also answers someone's query about when was the last there was original score in HFM.
  
  Rajesh.
  
  
  
• From: SR Kaushik (@ elroy.cs.wisc.edu) on: Sun Sep 6 20:29:24 EDT 1998
  
  Rajesh : I heard the song you are talking about (resembles Khoya khoya chand), but it is not a note by note copy, the tunes sound similar that's all. A much more horrible repeat by maestro was En purushan thaan, enakku mattum thaan which is a xerox of Dum maro Dum, only the first line is a repeat. I think it was unconscious, I myself did not realise it until a second or third hearing.
  
  
• From: Murali Sankar (@ 129.252.23.97) on: Tue Sep 8 22:28:19 EDT 1998
  
  Great observation Koushik. Has anybody seen the film "thai Veedu" - a Rajni starrer and pretty old? In this film there is a theme music which is none other than the "Aanandham Aanandham Paadum" of "Poovae Unakkaga" but in violins. In the same film there was one song by SJ-"Ammamma Ennannavo Kanavu". Five years before ,if some can remember,there was late night telecast of "Golden Oldies" in the Metro Channel (Chennai). In tthis I found the original. It starts, "Falling in love summer time is dynamic,its easy,so easy". The tfm song was a direct lift
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ scproxy2.sc.intel.com) on: Wed Sep 9 15:20:57 EDT 1998
  
  Here is an observation : The song "Muttupodhu Muttupodhu" from the film duet closely resembles the Keerthana "palukey Bangaaramaayera..". There is some very close correspondence between the turns "Yeththanai sabhagal Kandom," and the corresponding turn "Palukey bangaaramaye pilachina palukavaemey". This may have been purely unintentional.
  I am not stoo ure about this one but, I think ARR lifted a STRAUSS waltz theme for the BGM of RANGEELA. ( The situation is a film party in which Urmila is taken and she meets different actors/ producers etc.)
  
  
• From: Aakash (@ 169.229.36.96) on: Wed Sep 9 20:12:54 EDT 1998
  
  To Srinivas:
  
  I think the waltz theme you are talking about is shown to be played in the backgroung. It is not ARR's BGM.(You know how you have that msic playing in the BG in the restaurants and at parties) Yes, but you are right, it is Strauss.
  
  
• From: Srinivas (@ scproxy2.sc.intel.com) on: Wed Sep 9 20:47:20 EDT 1998
  
  Apart from Bombay which had really good BGM, RANGEELA was the only other film in which I noticed ARR's BGM, I was really surprised that ARR had come up with such a good W.C piece till I realized that it was actually a Strauss composition.
  
  

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