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Yesterday - Illayarajah Today - A.R. Rahman Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

Topic started by Pras (@ 66.185.84.71) on Sat Jan 25 08:43:29 EST 2003.
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Who Do You Think Is The Yesterday, Today, Tomorrow MD of TFM?

I think its:
Yesterday - Illayarajah
Today - A.R. Rahman
Tomorrow - Yuvan Shankar Raja

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Responses:

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• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.153) on: Fri Aug 1 03:54:14 EDT 2003
  
  Am I a postmodernist? Don't know, man. I don't carry a banner to that effect. I'm a human being looking for peace.
  
  We live in a much more complex world today , where cultures of different sorts have come into proximity and need to accomodate each other. We all need to just get along. And no, postmodernism does not attempt to "revive" traditions so much as honour all traditions, yet not oppose progressive forms of thought and culture.
  
  So your hatred of what you call international music or corrupted music, I see as a kind of protectionism, a fear of the larger world, a fear of miscgenation, like racist fears of impurity.
  
  What this attitude fails to grasp is that the music you herald as pure has itself emerged from the confluence of many invisible streams. Musical mixing and matching has been happening for centuries, much before globalization. For example, in Bollywood's early years, film music was born of a fusion of Indian song-forms with orchestral techniques borrowed from Cairo. There were no MNCs then that I know of. It is happening faster and more visibly today, that is all. Your efforts to politicize everything are looking like extra-musical axe-grinding.
  
  Why do you not regard IR's music as a form corruption when it mixed Western Classical with Carnatic with the occasional dash of Anglo-pop? Didn't he do this before globalization? Why are you blaming globalization for what is happening now? Why are you partial to this while rejecting other sorts of fusions? You mean to say that corrupting with WCM is OK but corrupting with African music is not? Why the double standards?
  
  Please show me where ARR said, "no hindustani..." etc.? All he said was that he wanted to take Tamil music to international levels. Don't make opportunistic accusations. We all know that he as well as everyone else draws upon these traditions to make music. Why would he want to erase them? Can he, even if he wants to?
  
  What are you so frightened of? How will attacking ARR and his fans save Hindustani and Carnatic? What is it that you want to protect, classical music or just the music of IR? Surely there are world-famous vidhwans to protect and nurture classical music. Don't you trust them? ARR often works with them and treats them with great respect. For example, Sultan Khan and Vishwa Mohan Bhatt.
  
  So it is IR's music you're worried about. Why are you so concerned about its safety? If it has merit it will last, globalization or no globalization. Do you think it lacks merit?
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.153) on: Fri Aug 1 03:57:52 EDT 2003
  
  Thanks, Maddy, for countering the cunning political slander of rajasaranam.
  
  
  
• From: Sreeni's English Teacher (@ 202.54.153.21) on: Fri Aug 1 03:58:39 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni,
  I take back my words and i now whole heartedly agree that you are good in English.Please stop this.
  Never in my life i will criticize your English infront of the class.Please stop this.
  
  
• From: Sreeni (@ 203.56.247.153) on: Fri Aug 1 04:03:47 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni's English Teacher:
  
  For a teacher of English, your prose has too many gaffes. For example, don't you know that you must provide an empty space after every punctuation mark, like the comma, or full stop?
  
  
• From: Paran (@ 203.123.16.4) on: Fri Aug 1 04:24:39 EDT 2003
  
  Dear Maddy & Sreeni,
  These ppl are in their own world....
  too much of ecstacy i think...
  just ignore them...they will keep quite...
  
  (I bet you guys..there will a post from a "person"...(a dash actually)...in reply to mine...
  
  just wait..
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 207.44.154.35) on: Fri Aug 1 06:52:27 EDT 2003
  
  Someone said IR is next door cricket player and ARR is tendulkar. Here is the correct comparison:
  
  Old-IR: real cricketer like Bradman, Tendulkar playED in the cricket field and good at it
  
  Old-ARR: a guy playing cricket games on the computer and good at it.
  
  New-IR: tyring to play on the computer and doesn't make great impact, just survives
  
  New-ARR: actually there is no new ARR but Old recycled ARR and he survives
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: krk (@ 128.107.253.37) on: Fri Aug 1 07:09:36 EDT 2003
  
  Nattamai :))) good one!
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.233.38) on: Fri Aug 1 07:16:16 EDT 2003
  
  Nattamai theerpa mathi ezhudave venam... ARR unga oor aazhnu ninachutiya... ur ruling wunt affect the man who lives in hearts of ppl. outside TN......ur stupid ruling wunt carry weight outside TN just like IR's music...
  
  
• From: hehe (@ 217.44.99.173) on: Fri Aug 1 07:56:48 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy chats shite!
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 192.127.94.7) on: Fri Aug 1 08:08:13 EDT 2003
  
  Watched the movie 'RUN' yesterday. The movie had good songs. VS is one MD with great potential.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 165.121.136.69) on: Fri Aug 1 08:49:13 EDT 2003
  
  Right now I would say that HJ is marginally ahead of YSR in the race for the future Number 1 (IR and ARR have seen it all). Although YSR has been prolific of late, I don't know if he has as yet composed an album of the caliber of Minnale, a super duper hit. I am yet to hear a completely mind boggling tune from YSR like, for example, the vaseegara song in Minnale. HJ also has Saami to his credit with some very popular songs. Both for sure appear to be the future of TFM at this time.
  
  
• From: Venky (@ 217.44.99.173) on: Fri Aug 1 09:41:02 EDT 2003
  
  Music4ever, what do you call KK then?It is a massive hit, much better that Minnale in my opinion.Even Thulluvadho Ilamai and Dheena and
  Punnagai Poove are smach hits.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Fri Aug 1 09:50:00 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni
  "Please don't take that superior tone with me. Your conviction that everyone should share your tastes is arrogant and annoying. I shall think whatever I want of Hey Ram. If you believe that it is the second coming of Mozart, then keep it to yourself"
  What is this called? Healthy Argument. Does it not constitute arrogance.
  Second: If people argue then they would give examples.. so you should be able to accept it. Treat an argument as an argument not as some kind of decision making process.
  You are just trying to force your beliefs in all the others, which is by large a wrong thing to do..
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Fri Aug 1 09:50:23 EDT 2003
  
  "In the first sentence you say you don't claim to have higher tastes, in the last you again sneer at the "janta". Talk about self-contradiction. "
  
  You really don't read as carefully as you write do you? So the use of the word "janta" is sneering to you? Isn't it used in India to mean public.
  
  "And when will classical fetishists realise that film music is not - repeat, not - classical music? Classical music is just one of the many, many tributaries that feed into the voracious maw of pop and film music. Do these courses also train you in jazz, folk, hymns, electronic, hip-hop, sound-design...ad infinitum? "
  
  So if IR tries to bring in classicism of his own, its wrong? From what I see he has created a template on which current MD's are feeding off.
  Anyway IR himself revels in transcending the classical music idiom, as is evident from scores of Sindhu Bhairavi and Rudra Veena. But it doesn't matter as you don't seem to view music as a possible subject of study. My definition of classicism is that it is something like a formal definition, which may or may not be understood by a lot of people but will not hinder their appreciation of its products.
  
  Sidenote: Now don't start by saying IR himself feeds off other classic paradigms, that way if we start going the only musician who did not feed off anybody would be guy who first made fire with rocks.
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.11.98.63) on: Fri Aug 1 09:50:48 EDT 2003
  
  
  
  "I reject your authoritarian contention that unless we all become musicians ourselves we are not fit to have our likes and dislikes."
  
  In my contention there was no intention to change your music likes. You can like whatever you want.
  
  "I notice a note of powerful lament here. You appear crushed to know that there are people out there whose taste hierarchies don't feature IR at the top. "
  
  Talk about reading between lines. I mentioned a host of other talented people whom I consider versatile and brilliant. He may be on the TOP in my hierarchy, but hey that's my hierarchy. I'll give you that much that ARR is NOT the lowest in my hierarchy. I am not "crushed", "beaten" or "liquefied" because of the fact that there are people who don't know/like IR's music.
  
  "If they don't, if they actually teach you to regard other musics with disdain, you've no cause to assume authority over the rest of us."
  
  Regarding teaching courses: Man EDUCATION is ok. People will still like IR's music without such education. But LEARNING is alright. I would love to be able to appreciate the subtleties of a Von Gogh or a Monet, but for now I just love the colors and pictures. Doesn't mean I shouldn't try and I am just TELLING you not COMMANDING you, that there is a different way to look at music. Once and for all I am not assuming any authority over you or the rest of you, whoever they may be.
  
  "It is very simple. When I first stated that IR's albums might have to be judged by the reactions of the audience for which they were intended, people here went into a panic."
  
  This is the difference. For people like IR, MSV there is no intended audience. They have made some music which is standing the test of time. Now you take albums like Boys, Dhool, Laysa Laysa , that have an intended audience, right?
  I have started liking IR's music all by myself without any prodding from anybody. In fact I was a hardcore fan of Raj-Koti and used to argue over how they are superior to IR, until I realized that I actually liked IR's music to be much more melodious and complete (this term has my own definition so don't pounce on me for this).
  
  Why can't we take this view towards ARR's albums?
  
  "If believing you're superior to us is the crutch you need to get along, then alright, you're as gods because you continue to support IR and we're slaves, second-class citizens because we don't. When you walk past, we shall fall to the ground in religious awe, we shall dedicate our lives to your worship"
  
  You really know how to put yourself down when required. It looks like you are the one who is not being open to others music namely IR's and you are angry at somebody else for not being open to ARR's music. Don't you think that you're even with them? If not take it up with them, not me.
  
  Let me save you some time, I like ARR's music as well as IR's albums and I don't shrink from criticizing either. But I can tell you the stuff I have to put up with for liking IR more than anyone else.
  
  BTW you are not Bharath are you?
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 207.44.154.35) on: Fri Aug 1 09:58:20 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY:
  
  ARR unga oor aazhnu ninachutiya...
  
  If you are eager to adopt him, please contact at his chennai address (we already asked him to pack up)
  
  ur ruling wunt affect the man who lives in hearts of ppl. outside TN......
  
  come on, man. hearts??? please take it easy :))
  
  ur stupid ruling wunt carry weight outside TN just like IR's music...
  
  or can we say the music of baba, parasuram, udaya which didn't top the music charts of Billboard, MTV, VH1.
  
  
  

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