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Greatest Contribution of Ilayaraja to TFM

Topic started by Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on Wed Feb 13 23:08:16 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

What is Contribution? It means doing some thing that has never been done before. Or playing a significant role. In Thamizh, the word that comes to mind is "puratchi."
I believe every aspect of our great Isai Gnani has been explored in this forum except for a particular genre of songs. In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.

Okay, enough of this, let me get to the matter at hand. I urge all Fans, Fanatics, Dissenters and everyone else to contribute to this thread. Let me do the Pillayar Suzhi:

1. Nethu rathiri yemma (ursurpassed description of what happened)
2. Nilaa kaayuthu (who would have thought that munungals can be put to tune)
3. Antha nilavathaan naa kaiyule pudichen (by the master himself)
4. Eduthu vach paalum virichu vacha paayum (if music can be sexy, this is it)
5. Maaman oru naal malliyapoo koduthaan (innocent but deadly)
6. Orampo orampo rukkumani vandi varuthu (no doublespeak here - every thing is direct)
7. Raathiriyil poothirukkum (what a romatic song!)
8. Vaada vaattuthu (yet another masterpiece by the master himself)

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Responses:

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• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Sun Feb 17 08:15:50 EST 2002
  
  >>>I am leaving whynot from this !<<<<
  Ah, u impress me with your chivalry (but really).
  :-)))
  
  But hey, like u HCIRFs always say, IR is the master right? ARR is jus a wannabe trying hard to imitate his predecessors' footsteps. :-)
  
  Aadhavan, great translation. :-)
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.188.211) on: Sun Feb 17 08:21:45 EST 2002
  
  whynot - :)
  
  We are digressing too much. This is IR's thread.
  Pardon me Gowri, I should not have brought ARR into this aalayam. Sorry for discussing crap in a place of worship. :)
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.48.154) on: Sun Feb 17 08:27:38 EST 2002
  
  ok translator, I am seeing ghosts where there are none-you refuse to see them where they do exist.live in your own world of bliss and ignorance.
  you missed another great M&M song-ponmeni from moonram pirai.
  (or if you want M&M's in hindi listen to same in sadma-go on, break the language barrier!)
  traslator, what about rest of the translations?
  That vidikaalai vin azhzghu song kicked up a big fuss when it came out for precisely the same lines-many women's organizations protested that it degenerated women.
  
  
• From: Aadhavan (@ 203.106.188.211) on: Sun Feb 17 08:35:40 EST 2002
  
  Wasn't Sadma by IR too?
  
  Can I rest my case? :)
  
  
• From: aavEndhan (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Sun Feb 17 13:55:21 EST 2002
  
  Aadhavan,
  
  Not that there have NOT been vulgar songs before the advent of ARR (in fact, as yaaro pointed out it has been present for quite some time), but your translation for the lyrics of the ARR songs which you are trying to defend is naive.
  
  vidiyum varai peNNazhagu - the intent is to convey that the woman is beautiful (only) until the morning, suggesting that all she is is a sex-toy. But, despite the degenerate meaning, I will atleast grant a "points for effort" for rhyming with all other lines (ofcourse, fits into the Vairamuthu algoritm well). What the heck is,
  chillallavaa chillallavaa kaadhal niagra
  uyir kaadhalai thoondavE vEndaam Viagra.
  
  Further, if you want tips on keeping "your woman happY' please refer to the suggested practices/procedures in kokku saiva kokku.
  
  True, the vulgarity content of the lyrics went up a notch or two with the entry of IR (more so Gangai Amaran). But that phase, also brought in Bharathiraja, Baaggiyaraj, and Balumahendra who touched some bold and controversial subjects hitherto untravelled in TFs.
  
  It is true that raaththiriyil pooththirukkum had "suggestive lyrics" with double meanings. But it atleast had double meaning. So the ignorant were truly blissful in the company of a beautiful hamsanandhi.
  
  There are songs with
  1.good decent lyrics (quotable, memorable, thought provoking lyrical content),
  2. ordinary decent lyrics (nothing bad or vulgar about the lyrics, but that is the only positive thing one can say about the lyrics. - refer to hordes of hindi songs with the sanam, kasam, rub, mohabbath, permutation/combinations)
  3. songs with 'not so innocent" lyrics - manasu mayangum, raaththiriyil, ottagaththai kattikko, etc
  
  4. songs with absolute pEththals - strawberry kaNNEy, love phobia, kalloori saalai, etc.
  
  All these 4 categories have existed in FM for many decades. But the relative percentages defines how one identifies a particular length of time. During IR's time, it is true that category 3 (as a % of total) went up compared to pre-IR days. But 3. + 4. did not still make up the majority.
  Somebody tell me, what is the current mix for 1, 2, 3, and 4 in the post ARR period?
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Sun Feb 17 22:35:45 EST 2002
  
  Why is everyone digressing?
  Pre Ilayaraja and Post Ilayaraja are not the issues here.
  In case you miss out, In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter.
  
  Kiru - this thread is a "marupakkam" to many others in this forum. Why do we need to ignore Ilayaraja's mega contribution in this area?
  
  And don't even start with pethals. Ilayara rules there too. Do I have to remind of Vikram song where nonsense were sang for a good TWO minutes? There are plenty of such kinds of nonsense, but that is for a different thread?
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 64.173.9.74) on: Sun Feb 17 22:51:12 EST 2002
  
  Gowri..I am not sure my opinions on this issue will be heard with a unbiased and sincere heart. You and others seemed to have made up your mind and your opinion on this seems to be final. I do not want to waste my energies where my efforts to show things in context would be fruitless. I take leave from this thread.
  
  
• From: aavEndhan (@ 64.126.84.100) on: Mon Feb 18 00:30:38 EST 2002
  
  Gowri, Gowri, Gowri, Gowri!!!
  
  Have you even seen Vikram? The entire crew (Amjad, Dimple,+ others) talks a made up language. So, "pEthal" in such a situation was not only appropriate, it was necessary. But, then for any of us to expect that you, with your biased disposition (not to speak of deficient comprehension skills) will get it is, I agree, a pEthal :-)
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Feb 18 01:18:48 EST 2002
  
  Aavendhan - you are getting on my nerves. If you have a problem with my posting, go ahead and attack it. Do not stoop low and attack me. It just shows that you are bankrupt of ideas.
  
  You can make up excuses for Vikram, but there are many many songs that have lots of pethals that you cannot deny. But then again, those are stuff for a different thread.
  
  Kiru - I respect your views. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Feb 18 01:22:37 EST 2002
  
  How can anyone even think of denying that it was Ilayaraja who brought TFM to a level never before and never since, descended?
  
  At least Kiru is honest enough and says "ok, it's true, but shall we move on?" kind of statement.
  
  Guys, don't be like the cat that thinks the world is dark just because it has closed its eyes!
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 134.7.134.15) on: Mon Feb 18 05:06:03 EST 2002
  
  Though this thread has been amusing to follow, I really miss the point. So IR's songs have more sexual content, but so what? It's not a big deal. I dont see why IR fans need to deny it. It probably had to do with the way tamil cinema evolved in those days. Even the background dancers who used to accompany the hero/heroines during those 70s-80s periods used to be dressed so crudely and some of the dances were plain vulgar. And IR too had to fulfill his commercial obligations to get to where he is today, so he probably had to go with the flow.
  But i jus think tat u need to keep tat in mind before jumping to the conclusion it's the present day MDs and tfm industry tat's leading to the letdown in lyric quality. I think it's all part of an ongoing evolution.
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.151) on: Mon Feb 18 07:52:39 EST 2002
  
  Baltti adikkum whynot. :)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Mon Feb 18 07:59:56 EST 2002
  
  "Baltti adikkum"
  wat does tat mean?
  
  
• From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.139.151) on: Mon Feb 18 08:04:19 EST 2002
  
  ithukkumaa translation? :)
  
  means one who does somersaults. :)
  
  
• From: WhyNot (@ 203.24.100.133) on: Mon Feb 18 08:27:14 EST 2002
  
  "means one who does somersaults"
  what does that mean?
  i mean seriously, wat r u trying to imply here?
  
  
• From: (^!^) (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Mon Feb 18 08:37:47 EST 2002
  
  Just my 2 cents!!
  
  From Gowri - Aavendhan - you are getting on my nerves aah! finally somebody is returning Gowri the favor which he has been doing to us. :-)
  
  From Gowri - How can anyone even think of denying that it was Ilayaraja who brought TFM to a level never before and never since, descended? chEy! aniyaayam! kanda kanda sallikkaasu peraadha kandupidippukkellaam Nobel prize kuduththudaraan. indha maadhiri oru ulaga mahaa uNmaiya kandu pidiththavarukku atleast oru gOli sodaa.......:-)
  
  
• From: Spock (@ 207.46.137.8) on: Mon Feb 18 18:25:48 EST 2002
  
  "Why is everyone digressing?
  1. Pre Ilayaraja and Post Ilayaraja are not the issues here.
  2. In case you miss out, In this particular kind of songs, Ilayaraja is the mudisoodaa mannan. No one from MSV, KVM, ARR can touch Ilayaraja in this matter."
  
  Funny, there is a comparison of ARR (who is post ilayaraja) and MSV (who is pre ilayaraja) to IR in line 2. This post explicitly refers to "No one can touch him, not even MSV/ARR". But apparently none can post about pre and post stuff to prove their point (that would be digressing according to point 1).
  
  Do I see somebody missing the logic train here?
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.93.34.161) on: Mon Feb 18 18:47:16 EST 2002
  
  .// I dont see why IR fans need to deny //-who is deying?I have in fact pointed out many songs for poor gowri.
  whynot,
  you have seen the light!I was lining up lyrics like muqqala, shakalaka, halla gulla, osaka muriya,haiyo pathikichi and a few others and ask aadhavan to translate them for those who did not know tamil.
  
  
• From: Gowri (@ 161.142.100.86) on: Mon Feb 18 21:13:27 EST 2002
  
  (^!^) - Hey dubukku, fire please..... :)
  
  I urge evryone who keeps on bringing up nonsensical lyrics to start another thread. Ilayaraja rules there too and it can easily be proven.
  
  This thread is about sexual explicitness. The following song aptly sums up everything:
  
  Antharangam yaavumey, solvathendraal paavamey
  
  Kaamaney naanam kondaal, solliyathu theeraathu
  Kambaney vanthaal kooda, kattupadi aagaathu
  Kandathil indru naan solvadhu paathiyey
  ...
  Meethiyai naan uraippathum nee rasippathum panpaadu illai.
  
  
• From: Mani.. (@ 161.142.78.83) on: Mon Feb 18 23:52:02 EST 2002
  
  poovil vandu koodum kandu poovum kangal moodum
  poovinam maanaadu poadum vandugal sangeedham paadum
  
  sempoovE poovE un....
  sAinthAdum sanggil thuli pattAlum muthAgidum...
  
  What this two songs tells u? it's the MD who brings the cover to the lyrics. What a tune to make this thing so decent. After all not the MD writing the lyrics.. All the great poets wrote these lyrics. I'm wondering why no one is mentinoing about them..! It's very simple guys.. nothing wrong with the MD or poets.. it's we all. its how we take things!
  
  dheyvam enraal adhu dheyvam - verum
  silaiyenraal adhu silaidhaan
  dheyvam enraal adhu dheyvam - verum
  silaiyenraal adhu silaidhaan
  undenraal adhu undu
  undenraal adhu undu
  illaiyenraal adhu illai
  illaiyenraal adhu illai
  
  If we think these things are vulgar and inappropriate for tfm then it is.. if we think it is not then it is not!
  
  let think the other way.. if we ignore the songs and boycot the MD, do u think this things will happen now? We talk so much but we still enjoy this.
  
  

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