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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: vijay (@ 68.51.203.216) on: Thu Mar 14 02:07:13 EST 2002
  
  KS, here is one link
  http://funkymusic.tripod.com/bte/bt.html
  
  the song is "do it till you're satisfied"
  
  you can get plenty others if you search in google, although I am not sure if you can get a version that is much better than the link that I posted
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Mar 14 11:31:12 EST 2002
  
  Karthik S,
  
  I thought "aasai athigam vechu" had too much resemblence to "the way you make me feel" by MJ. Much in the same way "telephone mani" had to do with "all that she wants"...
  
  infact for the first 2-3 secs you cnanot even distinguish "aasai athigam" and "the way you make me feel"
  
  
• From: irwcm (@ 199.50.29.41) on: Thu Mar 14 11:55:24 EST 2002
  
  Filght of the bumblebee inspired IR's Of butterfly butterfly in meerA.
  
  
• From: irwcm (@ 199.50.29.41) on: Thu Mar 14 11:56:23 EST 2002
  
  another one :
  ir directly lifted bach's bourree in an interlude in manjal nilavukku indru ore sugam.
  
  
• From: irwcm (@ 199.50.29.41) on: Thu Mar 14 12:03:10 EST 2002
  
  poottukkaL pOttAlum veettukkuL niRkAdhu kAtru (kshatriyan) inspired by 'My favourite things' (Sound of Music).
  
  First bus song of mallu movie yAthrA also inspired from the same song.
  
  
• From: irwcm (@ 199.50.29.41) on: Thu Mar 14 12:09:04 EST 2002
  
  mercuryp pookkaL (ratchagan) beats copied from
  We will rock you (queen)
  
  
• From: Hariharan (@ 64.19.160.188) on: Thu Mar 14 13:16:13 EST 2002
  
  Kandukonden Kandukonden
  http://boss.streamos.com/real/interscope/vanessa/benotnobody/audio/00_athousandmiles.ram
  
  This one is by Vanessa Carlton. Sounds like ARR's Kandukonden
  
  
  
• From: haris. (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Thu Mar 14 13:31:25 EST 2002
  
  MS- i'm not sure why you cant' accept chittukkuruvi as inspired from dvorak's. As much i respect IR's works, i think chittukkuruvi ( pallavi alone ) is a blatant copy of dvorak's. I would also think - IR did this as probably a dedication to dvorak.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Thu Mar 14 13:58:33 EST 2002
  
  haris:
  
  Because it is NOT a blatant copy. notes e different aa irukkumpOdhu eppadi copynu oththukkaradhu ? Read my last posting regarding the meter.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Thu Mar 14 14:39:04 EST 2002
  
  Hariharan..the prelude seems very similar to kandukondEn song. MS, can you let us know whether the notes are same, Please ? Actually, the string section phrases are common in TFM (or is it only in ARR's songs).
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Mar 14 14:49:17 EST 2002
  
  irwcm,
  
  actually "mercury pookal" has more resemblamnce to diggin in the dirt by peter gabriel. watch for the guitar piece in the background . it comes through out the song. its a "inspiration" from diggin in the dirt..
  
  
• From: Hariharan (@ 64.19.160.188) on: Thu Mar 14 15:17:26 EST 2002
  
  kiru,
  exactly, the string section is very common in TFM.
  
  Its Vanessa Carlton http://www.vanessacarlton.com
  
  Also go to MTV.com and search for VAnessa on TRL.
  
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 204.160.32.13) on: Thu Mar 14 15:45:43 EST 2002
  
  Karthik:
  
  I am a silent observer on TFM and as you think I am not a visitor. I didn't command you to find the resemblance and its just a request.
  
  Thanks for checking that one for me.
  
  Take Care
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.171) on: Thu Mar 14 16:43:56 EST 2002
  
  MS- give us the notes.
  
  Ok. I'll tell you which parts of the pallavi appears verbatim in dvorak's.
  ..starting line in the pallavi-
  'chittu kuruvi vekkappaduthu
  pettai kuruvi katrutharudhu'
  ..ending line in the pallavi-
  'nithirai ittadhum methayil nithirai varumE'
  
  Whereas the lines in between the above said lines ..
  'katti thazhuva thazhuva -
  kattil sududhu
  .
  .
  andhappuramE tharumE sugamE'
  -- are probably IR's own.
  
  
• From: susee (@ 24.42.185.189) on: Thu Mar 14 17:36:59 EST 2002
  
  http://perso.flamenco.free.fr/mp3-classic.htm
  
  FLIGHT OF BUMBLE BEE MP3!
  
  
• From: hihi:-) (@ 128.111.113.76) on: Thu Mar 14 18:26:05 EST 2002
  
  note: the page read "flight of the bumblebee by dvorak". actually it was composed by rimsky korsakov. the version in the above link sucks big time. for starters please listen to the collection in the npr's great classical performances (or some similar title) released a couple of years ago. bobby mcferrin and yo yo mA's version wasn't bad. i have listened to great piano versions of this but i cant remember the names of the performers now.
  
  bumblebee and butterfly both fly. what other similarities do they have for one being the inspiration for the other?
  
  
• From: whereisthisheaded (@ 166.90.84.142) on: Thu Mar 14 18:27:52 EST 2002
  
  Susee:
  
  Elephant walk (mancini?) inspired appane, appane in the film Annai Oru Aalayam
  
  actually flight of bumblee bee inspired sting
  
  
• From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50) on: Thu Mar 14 18:39:34 EST 2002
  
  I have heard the flight of the bumblebee. It sounds exactly like its name - the sound of a bumblebee. It is very fast paced. In fact, go to pazhaya mambalam and follow a mosquito around and near mambalam canal. that is exactly what fobb is! I personally do not think it resembles o butterfly.
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 12.239.160.236) on: Fri Mar 15 01:45:38 EST 2002
  
  When I first listened to "aasai athigam vechu.." I thought it clashed with "The theme of Hatari..", especially the first interlude.
  Thanks to whereisthisheaded for helping me recollect that thought :-). I think it clashes reasonably when it get faster in the end. Can someome post a good link..i'll try too. Meantime here is the link http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00005Q66K/103-3632877-7573442
  
  While listening to the slower version, it clashes with "Kya Kare Kya Na Kare" (Rangeela) Especially the first interlude. Ha! Albeit the Hatari theme is slower.
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004Y9YB/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_f/103-3632877-7573442
  
  So after long time I listened to other Henry Macini compostions. What surprise for me! I had feeling that "venilla...Venilla..venilavee" (Iruvar) orchestration resembled some song... yes! *The pink panther Theme* http://www.reelclassics.com/Musicians/Mancini/mancini.htm Does it?
  
  Lastly, my crazy mind says *The Great Impostor* music sounds like "Papa ke thee hein..." Qayamat-Se-Qayamat-Tak
  http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B00004Y9YB/ref=pd_ecc_rvi_f/103-3632877-7573442
  
  All of them are just the mood and music not the tune (discourages Karthik :-)). Karthik, Did you already discard these stuff?
  
  Do you guys see any clash or is it my figment of imagination.
  
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Fri Mar 15 04:57:58 EST 2002
  
  Hariharan:
  I couldnt really find any similarity between KK and Vanessa's number. I think I've hreard this allegation earlier too.
  
  Aswathama:
  I think the similarity between Swasame and Ek ladki ko dekha end in a small portion of the ryhthm...even that would be a bit far fetched in my opinion. IMO, only a tune-based inspiration would amount to actual inspiration...I consider the actual tune to be of paramount importance and deriving inspiration for even the beginning of a tune would help the composer complete the flow and create his own unique version.
  
  Bharath:
  I had downloaded Digging in the dirt, the last time you mentioend about it with regard to mercury pookal. I couldnt find any direct similarity (meaning: I consider it a coincidence). Another ratchagan allegation doing the rounds is that 'Ol' McDonald had a farm' has been lifted by ARR for 'Bombay Madras Delhi' song. Well, when you sing both together, it does bring a smile to your face, but it ends there! :-)
  
  NaNbaN:
  Its indeed the mood and not the tune per se. The Great impostor example was interesting though. Thanks for reminding me of Mancini's music, gotto search for the tape I had and revisit it!
  
  I finally managed to hear 'adi aathi' from Pasumpon. Music by Vidyasagar. There's an interlude in this song, where Prabhu is shown riding a horse (the poor horse) with the background of a huge bright sun all over the screen. That piece is somewhat reminiscent of FOBB, but IMO no direct inspiration. FOBB is a very distinct piece.
  
  And no, O butterfly doesnt have anything to do with that either. If any, there's a small piece (lasting 2-3 seconds) in O butterfly which I think I heard in Jose Feliciano's 'Listen to the pouring rain'. But thats not really worth mentioning.
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 195.99.125.204) on: Fri Mar 15 07:06:55 EST 2002
  
  I have always been reminded of flight of BB listening to starting music of keladi kanmani from pudhu pudhu arthangal.any comments?
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Fri Mar 15 12:42:19 EST 2002
  
  haris:
  
  'll do it in the week end.
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.25.204) on: Fri Mar 15 12:45:13 EST 2002
  
  Another inspiration..this time in malayalam.
  
  Movie : uLLadakkam
  Song : Andhi veyyil ponnudhirum
  MD : IR
  
  Prelude inspired from fur elise. The similarity of the first lines is glaring.
  
  
• From: Aswathama (@ 204.160.32.13) on: Fri Mar 15 13:23:29 EST 2002
  
  Karthik:
  
  Thanks for checking that songs for me. I have one more request please. You would have probably gone over this before.
  
  Poo Pukkum Osai is inspired from MLube song
  
  Original
  
  MLube
  
  http://i.disney.go.com/disneygo/DisneyRecords/song-albums/pophits/media/Trk13.wav
  
  
  Copy:
  
  "Poo Pukkum Osai"
  
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/moviedetail.asp?mid=T0000099
  
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.203.216) on: Sat Mar 16 01:59:10 EST 2002
  
  Karthik, I think you left this out of Deva's list:
  
  Poojava from the film Priyamudan by Deva - lifts from two sources..the entire prelude along with the "ohhhoyi" chorus that you hear lifted from Viju Shah's "Gupt Gupt Gupt" song from Gupt
  
  And in the second interlude of the same song the violin/flute parts are a Ctrl C Ctrl V from the flute/violin prelude of "One night in Bangkok" by Murray Head
  
  

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