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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
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i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Gyan (@ 4.158.117.138) on: Mon Jul 12 23:20:23 EDT 2004
  
  The fact is, Darling Darling is way beyond the original song. The prelude alone is a classic and an amazing stanza tune following brilliant interludes.
  
  Yes, it is a shock to know that a second also was copied from some unknown band from somewhere on the planet. Again, see the entire IR song will blow the original composers minds.
  
  The oddest thing is, IR copies from songs with similar patterns to Indian film song traditions:
  
  eg: Kaadhal Vanthirichu (b grade limerick tune, made into a colossal hit with 3 interludes and a fantastic charanam, besides a sorrowful version with a mind blowing violin interlude. does this kind of charity fall from trees?)
  
  second: Enthan Poovilum vaasam undu, (dialog question reply format)
  
  3. Kan Malargalin Azhaippidhazh (another common structure)
  
  5. Chittikuruvi Vekkapaduthu (dialog repetition etc..)
  
  6. Darling Darling (limerick)
  
  
  You see, all of the above are ordinary song patterns and IR has successfully turned straightforward simple patterns with melodious and complex breaks perhaps giving each 10 minutes of notation work and goes for a break.
  
  come on folks, give me a break. IR has taken from MSV also and done justice to those ideas even.
  
  
  Give me any song with nuclear math like rhythms found in Andha Oru Nimidam. can u find some composition, breaks or rythms like that elsewhere, then we can say there is some secretive copying going on by IR.
  
  
• From: maacha (@ 203.101.52.59) on: Tue Jul 13 10:51:12 EDT 2004
  
  Gyan, as u say , the 3 interludes with a very sexy prelude in Darling Darling are AMAZING!!!
  I don't care if just some 2 or 3 lines are lifted from the popular english number.I don't have count of how many times I would loop thru it everytime I listen to Priya
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.19.108) on: Tue Jul 13 14:07:17 EDT 2004
  
  Did not expect this from IR. Why pillory Deva then?
  
  
• From: Vambanandha (@ 64.144.207.70) on: Tue Jul 13 17:23:51 EDT 2004
  
  Yes Music4ever we shouldn't Deva and ARR are in different copy/inspiration category. The guy Karthik S has two different standard for IR its a copy for ARR its from a loop. Pondanga neengallum Unga serviceum..
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.152) on: Tue Jul 13 21:48:21 EDT 2004
  
  Vambanandha...
  Karthik S never shown any bias statement so far...
  
  if it's a copy..he says "copy" if it's an inspiration he says it rite too...
  dun confuse urself...please...
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.196.170.98) on: Sun Jul 18 14:24:26 EDT 2004
  
  KarthikS... i cant open the site...!!!
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Sun Jul 18 23:00:13 EDT 2004
  
  The iespana server seems to be down since last Friday...have mailed them but no response yet. Has happened in the past and took them 1 week to get the server up again!
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 168.97.133.236) on: Thu Jul 22 16:15:01 EDT 2004
  
  I heared the song 'Boom Boom...' from boys just yesterday. Isn't the clarinet pieces in the song the same as the one in 'I like the Way you Move...' in Outkast.
  
  Did ARR lift it from Outkast?
  
  
• From: Venki (@ 168.97.133.243) on: Thu Jul 22 16:19:28 EDT 2004
  
  I'm posting the links
  The Way You Move
  http://217.158.65.109/ASF/SF132175-01-01-01.wma
  
  Boom Boom
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/tamil/movie/T0000499.html
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.196.170.98) on: Sat Jul 24 16:42:09 EDT 2004
  
  the movie "super kudumbam" starring Prabhu and the late Pratyuksha, MD : Adithyan, has a song "Endhan selayum nazhuviyadhaeno". the original of the song seems to be a hindi album song by Falguni Pathak, starring our own TRISHA as a tribal girl kinda... the song goes like this "meri paayal paav ban jaaye". (pardon my hindi..)
  
  
• From: harish (@ 68.57.194.224) on: Sun Jul 25 11:25:19 EDT 2004
  
  Copying Hollywood Kollywood style
  
  http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/009200407251652.htm
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 67.164.134.94) on: Sun Jul 25 21:24:47 EDT 2004
  
  there is a factual error in the article whose link given above.
  
  
  "Jayam, a run away success in Tamil and Telugu made by a film institute product, was inspired by another Hollywood film Serendipity."
  
  The film that was based on serendipity story is Jay Jay and NOT jayam as quoted in the article.
  
  There is a rumour that one of the telugu producer bought the "story rights" of serendipity to be made in telugu. But before he could produce the movie there were about a couple of movies based on serendipity in telugu itself and Jay Jay in thamizh. There was big fuss made by that producer in Telugu Film industry in this regard.
  
  
  
• From: Osho (@ 203.197.136.34) on: Mon Jul 26 07:59:03 EDT 2004
  
  The i2fs has left out one more inspiration song of ARR. I was infact surprised to see the omission of Arr's Muqabla (or was it there?) supposedly ripped off from Dr.Alban's Oh!Mata. Karthick would do a world of good to add it to the index.
  
  
  
• From: Pradeep R (@ 203.199.12.50) on: Tue Jul 27 00:44:51 EDT 2004
  
  One of the most popular songs in Hindi now is "Agar Main Kahoon" from Lakshya. The opening of this song has a very strong resemblance to a song in Winner - the Prashanth - Kiran starrer. This is the song where Kiran is in the waterfall... In fact, after u hear both the songs 2 to 3 times, it appears that the openings are the same! Check out!
  
  
• From: sridharan (@ 202.153.37.115) on: Sun Aug 1 01:19:34 EDT 2004
  
  I heared the song 'Adalante-Sash'..'. The beginning stanza is similar to 'Sakalakalavallavane' of Panja Thantiram.
  Another number a arabic song 'Sayyoni...'. Deva has ripped it off one to one for his earlier Gana number which was a gr8 hit.
  Deva is really a Sakalakalavallavan. He can in no way be compared with others in this copying act.
  
  
  
• From: jollan@Kiran.co.in (@ 203.76.129.2) on: Mon Aug 2 14:35:59 EDT 2004
  
  PradeepR.... who bothers about the song.. everyone is bothered about Kiran... JestForFun :-)
  
  
• From: Ashok (@ ) on: Mon Aug 23 05:16:43 EDT 2004
  
  I appreciate the efforts made by all.
  
  
• From: whoami (@ ) on: Wed Sep 29 08:38:46 EDT 2004
  
  nisarisa the jeans theme was copied from chariot
  exactly the same
  
  
  
• From: Vj (@ 203.196.170.104) on: Sun Oct 3 03:16:30 EDT 2004
  
  proof?
  
  
• From: ap (@ 62.132.1.121) on: Tue Oct 5 07:26:10 EDT 2004
  
  You want proof? Listen to more of other people's music and you will know.
  
  
• From: zz (@ 203.145.174.4) on: Tue Oct 5 08:24:15 EDT 2004
  
  >>>Listen to more of other people's music and you will know
  
  that what you try to emphasis is all wrong...ARR is all and original...Is that right Mr. ap
  
  
• From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0.40.10) on: Tue Oct 5 11:26:31 EDT 2004
  
  Saawanarya song in "Swades" is a lift from the old P.Susheela song scored MSV\TKR. I am looking for the links for that old song o prove it. One recycled song from Baba and one MSV\TKR lift. ARR trend continues
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.32.122) on: Tue Oct 5 12:00:18 EDT 2004
  
  Mr. Vazhipokkan, unless you prove it, all you can do is accuse. So please try to find the original bcoz there are many ARR bashers in newtfmpage who post such comments in all ARR threads and people have a wrong(may be right) impression about them. Therefore it is highly essential for you to prove your point.
  
  
• From: Vazhipokkan (@ 40.0.40.10) on: Tue Oct 5 12:09:03 EDT 2004
  
  give me a weeks time i will prove it. Believe me it is not a bogus posting. I want an honest unbiased opinion from all once I post the facts.
  
  
• From: Sharath (@ 203.190.152.36) on: Thu Oct 7 07:59:40 EDT 2004
  
  Darling Darling from Priya is a heavy inspiration from BoneyM's Sunny.. Anybody supporting this?
  
  
• From: paparrazi (@ 83.89.145.50) on: Thu Oct 7 13:42:39 EDT 2004
  
  "Darling Darling from Priya is a heavy inspiration from BoneyM's Sunny.. Anybody supporting this?"- Sharath, man, you have given us such a hot , hot news!!!
  
  
• From: Haripotten (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Fri Oct 8 00:39:57 EDT 2004
  
  This is old news.
  
  But it doesn't beat the countless lifts from ARR. From his first movie to his latest.
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.32.122) on: Fri Oct 8 01:49:16 EDT 2004
  
  Haripotten:
  "But it doesn't beat the countless lifts from ARR. From his first movie to his latest."
  
  You have successfully passed the entrance exam and is eligible to join the ARR Bashers Club. Continue making baseless arguments against ARR or you might risk loosing the membership.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.109) on: Fri Oct 8 02:53:28 EDT 2004
  
  and 1 more thing...appo appo vanthu...bad word in bad english-le post pannanum...ok va...
  
  
  
• From: Rhythm!=loop (@ 64.166.86.236) on: Fri Oct 8 03:40:46 EDT 2004
  
  "Saawanarya song in "Swades" is a lift from the old P.Susheela song scored MSV\TKR. I am looking for the links for that old song o prove it. One recycled song from Baba and one MSV\TKR lift. ARR trend continues"
  
  May not be a direct lift. But it is surely modeled after an oldie. The yeh tara song itself has traces of a Bombay song. The one Rehman sings has traces of an english song.
  It is a waste of time analysing Rahman songs. If you like it, listen to it. Dont ask who did what or what loops/samples were used. The guy knows to BS more than music (though he does can create some good tunes once in a while) - how inspired he is abou Sufi music, bengali folk or what not.
  
  

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