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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: bm (@ 64.12.105.57) on: Wed May 16 10:57:59 EDT 2001
  
  Well Comment(ed )!
  
  
• From: GR (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Wed May 16 12:49:15 EDT 2001
  
  Comment
  
  Good one:-)
  
  This is why I have felt that this thread does not make any sense much - unless somebody in clear terms differentiates between copy and inspiration.
  
  Even in the west there are very similar sounding songs (inspite of all the copyright laws). They should have some kind of yardstick to measure if it is just an inspiration or a copy. How do they do that ?.(or else everybody will be suing everybody else).
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed May 16 16:10:05 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik ..I am going by my memory here. My first impression when I heard Mein Abheli was 'ha a U2 Song'. Why did I get this impression ? Maybe ARR is a U2 fan like me than he was just using U2 as a sample provider. The prelude to this songs is a synth version of some sounds in U2 Joshua tree. It is probably not a single U2 song..but bits and pieces from others. ARR flicks the 'sounds', basically rhythm arrangemment rather than a complete song or beat pattern.
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Wed May 16 16:33:07 EDT 2001
  
  I don't like the word flick...Kiru...
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67) on: Wed May 16 16:36:07 EDT 2001
  
  >>>>Even in the west there are very similar sounding songs (inspite of all the copyright laws). They should have some kind of yardstick to measure if it is just an inspiration or a copy. How do they do that ?.(or else everybody will be suing everybody else).<<<<
  
  Good observation GR...unless it's too obvious and too blatant a lift...I think the history of recorded music has now become so vast that eventually everything is going to sound like something else !
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Wed May 16 20:54:14 EDT 2001
  
  cosmician..replace flick by 'emulates' :)
  
  
• From: nvd (@ 161.142.100.85) on: Wed May 16 23:14:00 EDT 2001
  
  SA Rajkumar has nicely lifted the "Alelo elo alelo" humming of ARR in 'Chinna Chinna Asai' (ROJA) for his "Rosappu CHinna RosAppu"!!!
  
  and we are talking about IR and ARR copying tunes...
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.132) on: Thu May 17 04:26:22 EDT 2001
  
  Ahh..now I feel better..thanks Kiru :)
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.188) on: Thu May 17 08:02:25 EDT 2001
  
  Comment:
  Yours is a valuable comment. Naan sollisolli onjaachchu. Neenga try pannunga.
  
  
• From: UV (@ 134.113.203.137) on: Thu May 17 09:23:49 EDT 2001
  
  comment made wonderful comment on this.
  taking to a next level all swaras are used again again for different ragas or scale,thats why i think IR once said 'Isai endpadhey eymatru veali dhan'.
  I think lot of guys in the forum doesnt understand the difference between inspiration and copying. Nobody can make their career in anything without getting inspired by someone this goes even for people like Mozart and other geniuses.
  Poets get inspired by nature to write poems, and singers like SPB get inspired by Kishore kumar,IR gets inspired by Mozart,Bach and Thyagaraja and others. If we start watching every swara and said copy this will go nowhere.
  Comment,Swamiji can explain few things on theory side as well.
  But copying note by note is defintely plagrism
  Deva comes out with flying color in this,nobody can beat him and he doesnt have any regrets about it. Not to mention Mr Sirpy who had no shame or whatsover in lifting every single song from his hit movie 'Ullathai Allithaa'.
  What to tell about people like Anand Milind or Anu Malik who lifted IR popular tunes and gotaway with best MD award :(
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu May 17 15:12:53 EDT 2001
  
  I just dont mean to argue..(I have been too long in these forums :)) but do you guys think IR and ARR are in the same plane when it comes to inspiration ??
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu May 17 19:31:00 EDT 2001
  
  To ARRs credit I believed he doesnt have a complete flicked song like "akanavu kaanum vaazhkai yaavum"..as for IR and ARR not copying I believe that might be a little too good to be true..IR HAS flicked before..check out IRs copied songs thread..the reasons that have been given are many like Balumahendra requested IR to do so etc. etc.but the fact remains that IR has copied..
  
  as far as ARR is concerned, whatever I have heard of him, he has definitely been inspired by a lot of old hindi and tamil songs..no doubt about it..but he is clever enough not to do a Ctrl C +V type thing for a good part of the song, but just incorporate a few musical phrases here or there..
  
  a recent example of the first 2 lines of "uppu karuvaadu" from "Manipuraavum maadapuraavumn" is a good observation I thought..
  
  "This is why I have felt that this thread does not make any sense much - unless somebody in clear terms differentiates between copy and inspiration.
  
  "
  
  GR, beyoind a certain points its objective..if the peson happens tyo be your favourite MD then you tend to say that it was just a coincidence and if he is not your favourite then it becomes an inspiration or a copy..
  
  The only MD with whom this doubt never arises is Deva :-)
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Thu May 17 20:52:37 EDT 2001
  
  
  do you guys think IR and ARR are in the same plane when it comes to inspiration ??
  
  
  yes, basically you know more arr "inspirations" because you are using a magifying glass on him and hear more modern music and trying to map him.
  
  btw:I have heard more msv and w.classical music, I find many inspirations of IR.
  
  as far as inspiration goes, they are like other great artists I know.
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Thu May 17 21:17:48 EDT 2001
  
  vijay,
  Kanavu kanum's original was by Kalyanji anandji
  nele nele ambar's original was by IR (Ilayanila).
  Both can came around the same time. It was a friendly exchange (thats haunting both of them to this day - kashtam!). I think we should add this in the front page, so no one will talk about it again and again.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu May 17 21:31:35 EDT 2001
  
  kk, I just gave an example thats all. u can check out other songs from IRs copied songs thread..like "entha poovilum vaasam undu",(whole pallavi the same) "kanmalargalain azhaipidhazh" etc. The point is, some of them, though very very few in number as compared to the innumerable melodies IR has given, were definitely blatant lifts..
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Thu May 17 21:34:19 EDT 2001
  
  and BTW, i am curious to know the source of your info that it was a "friendly exchange" so that the matter can be resolved once and for all..
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Thu May 17 21:50:45 EDT 2001
  
  kk., i dont belive this 'friendly exchange',
  this is not stamp collection...;)
  Now Deva may claim he exchanged gana song with backstreetboys. The bottom line is it was copied period. thats all. Inspiration is totally different than copying, I already gave the 'Aathadi' opening piece as example, however If anyother musician has done this in people , it would have been termed as copy by many :)
  
  
• From: arai drouser senthil (@ 207.188.29.248) on: Thu May 17 21:59:32 EDT 2001
  
  and since IR has done.......... u don't believe it to be a 'friendly exchange'
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.55.0) on: Thu May 17 22:23:51 EDT 2001
  
  vijay and comment....... about the "entha poovilum" song - yes, it was the same..... but i remember asking looooong time back (i hope its for this song, or Sriks, was it for some other song ?), which came first..... (or something like that)..... (chaai, i forgot what i had asked :-))..... comment, do u remember about anything that i had asked for, and any answers (!!!! lol)....
  
  
• From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Thu May 17 23:46:59 EDT 2001
  
  Mr Halfpant ...yes..yes..secondly...I dont have flowers in my ears like you and nalavellai bach, mozart yarum ippo illai, else world will be filled with exchange music of bach-ir, chopin-ir mozart-ir etc poor mozart missed a good exchange chance. Seriously I did not want to comment about IR here..i answered Kiru, but your postings warrents more postings.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri May 18 00:05:25 EDT 2001
  
  Sabesan,
  
  I present whatever little evidence I gatherd from the net.
  
  Entha poovilum vaasam undu has been lifted from what I believe is quite a popular piano piece called Cancione et Danza played by a famous pianoist Antonio Ruiz-pipo..as for the year the first piece came out in 1961 and part 2 in 1971..
  Murattu kaalai came in 1980..
  
  http://members.nbci.com/munich/music/music_scorelist.htm
  
  click the above link to fins the names of the pieces and the corresponding years..i hope i spotted it right..
  
  
  Antonio died in 1997.
  
  This particular piece is so famous that a solo guitarist by the name Sharon Isbin has played that piece in her guitar. Incidentally it seems she has also won the Grammy for her guitar work in 2001 for another piece. so she must be pretty good.
  
  whats really amazing is if you go to her homepage, while the page gets loaded u can heard this "entha poovilum" guitar picee in all its glory in the background..
  
  check this out!!!!
  
  http://www.sharonisbin.com
  
  just click on the link and within secs u will be hearing the original!!!!!
  
  Finally, Google vaazhga!!! because i got all this info in the last 10 mins :-))
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri May 18 00:07:03 EDT 2001
  
  Also IR vaazhga for choosing the right tune to copy ;-)
  
  
• From: S.P MAHENDRAN (@ 161.139.38.231) on: Fri May 18 00:14:27 EDT 2001
  
  IR won't copy any tunes.Only A.R,Deva,Sirpy,S.A Rajkumar and other will copy music.IR is a musical Genius.He is the best ever was and best ever will be.So don't lie lah.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Fri May 18 02:03:09 EDT 2001
  
  Why not try being a bit un-fanatic for a change SPM? Sila samayam romba paduthreenga...rendu peru azhaga, seriousa etho discuss pannittu irukkanga, naduvula unga mooka nuzhaikanuma? Unga IR'a yaarum kurai sollala, just alasaraangapa.
  
  
• From: arrfan (@ 202.54.84.65) on: Fri May 18 07:14:23 EDT 2001
  
  BTW,what is this confusion about the music of TITAN?people say it was by Mozart-modified by ARR...and-this ad is mentioned in the list of ARR's jingles in 1 of his official websites...
  
  

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