Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
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i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.
For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com
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- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Thu May 10 11:22:59 EDT 2001
comment, I thought we excuse using others beats because they are available for bulk in dollar shops.
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Thu May 10 11:32:12 EDT 2001
kk, it had been beats alone, we can excuse
(but still arr is blamed for dr.alban beats, both drA and arr have used the same drum loops, any one can buy it) it is off the shelf product.
but here Yuvan and Kr have lifted the complete song itself, we can hear the rap at the back ground.
- From: fan of comment (@ 192.11.226.121)
on: Thu May 10 11:32:37 EDT 2001
comment,
"I am sadded totally by KR, he is nice/complicated musician with considerable knowlege of WCM"
who is a nice/complicated musician?
Please enlighten us
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Thu May 10 11:35:18 EDT 2001
My fan: I was talking about
Karthick Raja , he is a good musician with good knowlegde of wcm. There is no reason for him to copy.
He is graded from TRINITY collage of music. He needs to think and work hard.
- From: Another fan of comment (@ 192.11.221.117)
on: Thu May 10 11:44:37 EDT 2001
comment,
what do you mean by a nice/complicated musician
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Thu May 10 11:52:29 EDT 2001
this is not the place to discuss about this...
some of his songs makes me think he is a complicated musician,thats all.
if like to know which song, email me for further info. i would love to receive emails from my fans! :)
- From: Another fan of comment (@ 192.11.221.116)
on: Thu May 10 11:59:47 EDT 2001
comment.
Do'nt take it to your heart. I was wondering how a musician can be complicated. What is so complicated about KR's work. They all look very straightforward and paathi is sutta pazham.
He is sounds very artifical not a natural composer like ARR.
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Thu May 10 12:12:15 EDT 2001
Compilicated musicians have various forms.
1. Works too much on a song, directors have to understand them to get the best out of them.
2. Following too much theroy, this will go nowhere..of late kr is doing this., since he is not able to do this 100%,he is confused and he is forced to copy from western classical scores.
rakkamma rakkama from manikkam.
konum majal from ullasam.
desingu raja in dum dum dum
these are some of his complicated piece work.
He is trying to follow the market leader blindly, killing his style of music. He needs to think more,
Any way these are my views on KR. He can do much better than what he is doing now.
:)
- From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34)
on: Thu May 10 13:24:36 EDT 2001
'endrendum punnagai' from Alaipayuthe, the beat that has strong shades of one of Back Street Boys songs.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.69)
on: Thu May 10 14:02:08 EDT 2001
After reading all your informative postings about "readymade beats" avbl in dollar shops...methinks that's why ARR and other MDs these days hire specialist rhythm programmers like Ranjit Barot etc. so that they dont end up sounding similar...I think the problem is with the explosion in digital technology and the change in people's tastes and the pressing demands of commercial music..I think commercial film music making has now become like a movie production department itself with specialists involved like Sound Engineers, Music Editors, BGM Specialists, Rhythm Programmers...so the days of MSV and IR when it could be a one-man show is gone..the MD today is more like a Film Director..he may get the credit for Music Direction only...I think the same thing is happening to TFM...employment of these creative specialists will ensure that the music output is more original..but this may increase production costs...
- From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5)
on: Thu May 10 16:11:07 EDT 2001
comment, I too agree about KR. I feel he is the only one capable of producing complex music. Other than ARR, who does so if he wishes. You can add kavithaigal sollava, song from Grahan etc to that list.
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.128.13)
on: Fri May 11 04:06:33 EDT 2001
comment:
If you check KR record he has done quite a few tune copies (I differentiate them from beat and rythm copies and consider tune copies a sure sign of lack of creativity).
The Pocahontas song 'Listen with your heart' became Ullasam's Veesum Kaatrukku.
The Evita song 'Buenos Aires' became NINI's hello enthan kaadhala.
And there are a few stray interludes he lifts from WCM.
Now please let me know the original of Krishna Krishna, will you?
- From: arrfan (@ 203.197.176.145)
on: Mon May 14 05:25:18 EDT 2001
Hello!
Now, if you are asked who copies the most,and who does so the least,what would be your order of these M.ds?:(ranks to be from most to least)
1.I.R
2.K.R
3.Y.S.R
4.DEVA
5.V.S
6.ARR
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20)
on: Mon May 14 07:27:19 EDT 2001
arrfan:
R U nuts? IR's copies are not the copies of the lieks of KR and Deva. I'd strictly call them inspired piece of composing and no where has Raja used others tunes mindlessly. Its more of a in-depth understanding of a piece, IR takes it in his system and has come up with a very very Indianised and beautiful version of it. This applies to his WCM inspirations.
KR and Deva are in the main league. Mass, mindless tune copying. Not just beats and rythm. But KR's original scores is something Deva has managed in very less numbers.
YSR...I've not known any blatant instances of copying from YSR. Vidyasagar is more subtle in copying, no way like Deva.
Probably the copyking title should go to Sirpi and you seem to have forgotten Sirpi in your list. Sirpi has some unique distinctions to his credit. His Ullathai Allitha had almost all songs copied from foreign sources. Except for 'I love you love you'. But again, you never know he might have copied that too, just that we still dont know that!
Also, Sirpi has ushered in the concept of Middle Eastern music back into the reckoning. Many composers have used traces from here and there but noway like Sirpi. Film after film Sirpi used to rip off Middle Eastern tracks thanks to the success of Azhagiya Laila. But that Middle Eastern tune which gave him success dug his grave too, 'cos people were absolutely fed-up with them very soon!
- From: arrfan (@ 203.197.176.182)
on: Mon May 14 09:42:54 EDT 2001
Karthik,
So,,,,,,ARR doesn't figure anywhere....???
That's it!!!
ARR DOES NOT COPY!
- From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12)
on: Mon May 14 13:36:43 EDT 2001
arrfan...
i am sure Karthik S comments regarding IR was applicablr to ARR as well. IR and ARR have developed a sort of trustworthiness that even if they are blown away by a foriegn tune... they resist the temptation to use it in heirs blatantly..
they dont kid themselves that the common man wud'nt be able to connect to their sources and hance refrain from doing so ....
fear of being caught meshed with individual ethics is the reason why they dont copy blatantly like ARR.
bye
bharath
- From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12)
on: Mon May 14 13:37:53 EDT 2001
sorry it should've been "copy blatantly like deva"
my keystrokes sometimes sin with impunity.. all enrages arr fans ...cool down i yaam jorry
bye
bharath
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Mon May 14 15:15:08 EDT 2001
ARR has a fair share of beat/rhythm/rhythm arrangement copies to his credit. I am not sure whether he is the first to start this. (I remember even the latest Zubeida has U2 inspired rhythm ).
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.237)
on: Mon May 14 15:50:52 EDT 2001
Kiru..require the specific song....
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.237)
on: Mon May 14 15:58:25 EDT 2001
BTW...I'd like to mention an instance of beat/rhythm/arrangement copy/public domain by IR...in "Arangetra Velai"...the scene where I think it is Janakaraj and his gang chase Prabhu, Revathi and VK Ramasami and get embroiled in a fight with another gang..the BGM there is the "Bossa Nova" rhythm exactly used from a Yamaha or a Casio keyboard...I recall this as my kbd had the same beat way back then..could someone pls verify ? I won't call this blatant copying...but I don't know what the big issue is about unless there is a note for note copy along with the melody etc.
- From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4)
on: Mon May 14 16:52:30 EDT 2001
Mein Ahbeli - in Zubeida vis-a-vis U2 Achtung Baby - Mysterious ways. See also the main list in TFM Page.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.67)
on: Tue May 15 00:01:00 EDT 2001
Thanks...KIru..will check this out..
- From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20)
on: Tue May 15 01:57:47 EDT 2001
Mysterious ways doesnt seem to have anything to do with mein albeli. But I may be wrong 'cos I'm basing it on what I heard from the sample available in CDNow.com...
http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=753867697/pagename=/RP/SHARE/soundclip.html/UPC=3145103472/disc=01/track=08/source=wmf
Copy the whole URL and try it. Or go to CDNow and make a search for Achtung Baby and click on the song sample available.
But yes, Scarborough Fair has definite influence in Tu hi tu of Kabhi na kabhi. But even there its the opening words 'meri saari' which sound similar to the Simon and Garfunkel number. rest is vastly different.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.68)
on: Tue May 15 08:15:39 EDT 2001
But is the song "Tu Hi Tu" also based on some Hindustani raag ? Can u identify the raag ?
- From: comment (@ 12.5.10.153)
on: Wed May 16 09:49:13 EDT 2001
If you start comparing note by note there is no end to it, everything is a copy from the song "saregamapathanesa",
all this are mere coincidence or a big inspiration. Take for example adi athadi (kadal ora kavithaigal), there is piano in the opening bars (d#gd#dcg), same as a bach's piece, IR once again used this in kadoram lolaku 2nd bgm...
I consider all this to be inspiration rather than copy. I am sure composers like Arr or IR , dont copy intentionally or with a plan, it just similar to english words than comes automatically when we speak tamil.
Taking a magifying glass and going around like Sherlock...does not lead you anywhere!, copying needs to condemed agreed, however you should know
to distinguish which is copy and which is not..
Still, Many dont know the difference.
- From: cosmician (@ 194.170.127.53)
on: Wed May 16 10:34:49 EDT 2001
At last..a opinion that is music to my ears ! Thanks comment !
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