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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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VaniJairam.com - A site that has lots of info and songs of VJ.

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• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.9) on: Mon Jul 21 17:03:53 EDT 2003
  
  Sorry all- first for the long delay in posting this part of the chronology, and next for this clumsy manner of splitting it up. Apparently my post is too long, and has to be split into these many parts.
  
  And--I hope the links to the songs work!
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.9) on: Mon Jul 21 17:16:27 EDT 2003
  
  Kaumudi- saw your translation just now. Thanks a lot!
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Mon Jul 21 19:21:30 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan
  Thanks for the write-up. Yeah the song links work. And as I listen to the songs, they sound so familiar but the film name in Telugu doesn't ring in my mind. I think both the songs had PS in Telugu. I definitely heard them on the radio many moons ago.
  
  The last song: Man, it seems like Ye theega poovuno was just polished here and there and presented as Pudhu manjal song. Such heavy similarity!! Why did KVM have to do this? Perhaps it is the producers who are to be blamed for they might have coaxed him to do this blatant copying.
  
  I love this idea of yours to put links to the songs wherever you can. Works very well! Thanks.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.231) on: Tue Jul 22 00:09:49 EDT 2003
  
  Kaumudi- I was counting on you to identify the Telugu originals of the Radhaikketra Kannan songs :)
  
  Regarding 'Pudhu manjal meni chittu', it was MSV who copied his own Maro Charithra tune, and not KVM.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Tue Jul 22 00:53:26 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan -
  
  When it rains it pours - in this thread! Just when I was beginning to wonder...you put my faith back where it belongs - UP! Thank you for the continuation...I look forward to these like a desert looks forward to rain. I had not heard the Radhaikaetra Kannan song before...but I vaguely recall the name of the film. Sumitra was popular for a brief period - bhuvana oru kelvikkuri, vattaththukkul sadhuram, raghupathi raghava rajaram, chittukkuruvi, lalitha, mogam puppadhu varusham,...she was only second to Jayachitra for a list of nondescript films.
  
  I have to read your latest instalment a few times before I can comment any further - with a semblence of relevance. But I look forward to the re-reads as well (now if that isn't a compliment, I don't know what is :-)) and will respond when something new strikes me when I do so.
  The link feature is 100% gilding the lily - but it works in this context! :-) Ah, the merits of hypertext!
  
  Thanks again for this wonderful job. Keep going - this thread is your oyster!
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Tue Jul 22 09:03:50 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan -
  
  Your haunch about Radhaikkaetra Kannan being a remake of a telugu hit is precise. After listening to Ellam Un Arulale, Venkatesa, I figured that the song had a hindi parallel.
  Dildaar, starring Jeetendra and Rekha was a remake of the telugu hit Soggadu, starring Krishna or Shoban Babu or(?). The hindi equivalent of Ellam is "Teri Meri Shaadi Seedhi Saadhi, Pandit Na Shehnai Re" sung by KK and AB. I believe the music was by LP. The couple, (J and R) are forced to marry because there is some sort of raid in the hotel or some such thing. They are both from some village where there's hectic zamindarism, and much unrequited love (Nazneen played that angle in Dildaar.
  Radhaikaetra Kannan was the tamizh avatar of this really, madly, unbelievable film. But those days saw a row of such awful awful retchings. I think they went West and then came South. In the wake of Dildaar, there was a slew of Jeetendra films which haunt me to this day: Dil Aur Deewar, Swarg Narak, Mehendhi Rang Layegi (remake of the super-duper Goorintaku, the colour didn't stick in hindi, sadly...) - all leading up to the seeing-is-not-believing Himmatwala.
  
  See what I mean by the pleasures and misadventure of rereading your posts! :-)
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Tue Jul 22 10:36:51 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan
  I will give those songs a listen again and may be I can remember something.
  
  Reg. the KVM slip - sorry, I didn't notice it carefully. Haa, I am getting old!
  
  
• From: OISG (@ 213.42.2.9) on: Tue Jul 22 11:42:51 EDT 2003
  
  When its "OLD" i can t be far away!
  
  Thanks Saravanan!Now my pseudonym is part of history.I feel like the "Ramayana Anil" which did its bit!Truly monumental work Sir.Saravanan!
  
  Radhaiketraa Kannan song- KVM by then was more a telugu MD (competing with Chak).So you can pardon him for the tunes.In the 70s some Rajendra Prasad movies were done by KVM both in Tamil and Telugu and KVM.Vasantha Maligai was sweet but EngaL thanga Raja was a diaster.
  
  To his credit when KVM came back to Tamil in 1980s he chose to stay away from the recycling...Mauna Yuddham,Andha Rathirikku Saatchi illai,Thhongatha Kannindru ondru.
  
  Coming to MSV and recycling Ethigapoovu was an immortal song and its tempting for any MD to recycle it...
  
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 128.100.148.47) on: Tue Jul 22 16:12:13 EDT 2003
  
  Recyling definitely rings a bell right here. Enga UrU pAttukkAran was a great hit in Tamil (madhura marikkozhundu..., shenbagamE..) and when IR was no. 1 in Telugu (also), he used madhura... to Chiranjeevi/Sridevi - JVAS - yamaho nI ... was again a super hit.
  
  Meanwhile, EUP tunes were used in toto for another telugu movie, which became a moderate hit as well (I am unable to recall the name). Now, this movie (which is not a remake of EUP, but had the tunes of it) got dubbed into Tamil so the tunes made a reentry. Meanwhile JVAS too got dubbed in tamil. So we now have 20 songs in 6 tunes (check the maths) ::)))
  
  All these were happening, when IR was happily churning out 50 movies per year with an average 7 songs per movies - an astonomical 350 songs (approx) in an year - most of which were superhits. I am sure IR lost track of the whole EUP tunes export-import. :)))
  
  
• From: venkat (@ 128.100.148.47) on: Tue Jul 22 16:14:20 EDT 2003
  
  BTW - I have forgotten to mention Anand-Milind manhandling of those tunes.
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 217.165.88.135) on: Wed Jul 23 02:54:17 EDT 2003
  
  Naaz- Thanks for identifying the Hindi parallel of Radhaikketra Kannan. You're right- I remember vaguely that RK too had some zamindari backdrop, and perhaps a Rekla race thrown in too!
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Wed Jul 23 03:59:41 EDT 2003
  
  too bad between Saravanan , OISG,Naaz et al you have reminded me of another horror - to match LRD which is being so popular these days :-)( Hope AVM Rajan is at last happy !) I did not have a clue about this movie till the zamindar background thing came up. I think it was Billa krishnamurthi's worst hour that he weilded the megaphone for this stinker. In the opening sequence Sivakumar boards a train and stops the train by tying his sotthu mootaior umbrella or both to the emergency brake chain and presto the train stops. Try doing it in real life it needs almost superhuman strength to cut the vacuum or whatever! from that point on it is a good downswing. Snatches of the movie resembles MGR's Inru Pol Enrum Vaazgha. May be we can have a pattimanram to find out which is worse.MY vote for REK. Curse you all.. what do I do to get this out of system ?
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 217.165.88.135) on: Wed Jul 23 04:12:11 EDT 2003
  
  Vengayam :-)))
  
  Enna seyya solreenga- chronologynnu onnu ezhutha aarambicha ella padathai paththiyum thaan ezhuthanum- but I too agree that RK- both the film and the songs, are best forgotten!
  
  Ok ok cool! Listen to 'Pudhu manjal meni chittu' instead- that's sure to bring a smile on you!
  
  
• From: RR (@ 203.199.213.3) on: Wed Jul 23 22:34:21 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan: More of MSV recycling. The song "Vaan Nila": was used by MSV in some Telugu movie which was then dubbed or remade into Tamizh!!
  Also, "Venmegamey" in Aayiram Jenmanagal was from Yakshgaanam (also MSV) Was Aayiram.. a remake?
  I vaguely remember a PJ-VJ song "kannan Mugam Kaana'. Is it from Aayiram Jenmangal;??
  RR
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 164.164.94.123) on: Thu Jul 24 00:29:41 EDT 2003
  
  "Kanann Mugam Kaana" is in "Aayiram Jenmangal". It is a fantastic song.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Thu Jul 24 02:11:54 EDT 2003
  
  RR -
  
  Aayiram Jenmangal was a remake of either Yakshaganam or Suvanna Chiragugal. Did Yakshaganam feature Usha Nandhini? "Kannan Mugam Kaana" is a good duet by the PJ-VJ-MSV team. Thanks for jogging my memory with these cross-references.
  
  
  
• From: vengayam (@ 203.200.84.67) on: Thu Jul 24 05:11:26 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan I am in no way criticizing you. you are doing a wonderful job. But you also agree that some closets are better left unopened!
  aayiram janmangal was definitely Yaksha gaanam remake. probably the last film where Rajni played second fiddle but by the time the movie ended you felt he had grown afew inches in stature.( iam not even thinking of the IV Sasi disaster many a year later !)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219) on: Thu Jul 24 13:34:29 EDT 2003
  
  Saravanan -
  
  There's that feeling about familiarity that is both cloying and annoying at the same time...you know, the feeling one gets when listening to a song like Ponna Ponrandhava. The stomach churns involuntarily.
  On listening to the duet, I felt a sour whiff of an L-P tune somewhere in there. A Lata and Rafi duet that lurks in my subconscious, but for that to happen, I might have to throw up first.
  Too early in the day for that :-)
  
  Your lingering eulogy on VKR was both a biography and a critique. To hear that such a veteran of tamizh cinema had to slowly fade into penury and tracelessness, is yet again, a commentary on the self-serving nature of the film world. It reminded me of Bharat Bhushan from HF and his slow dissolve from hero to zero - and that also might also be an honest bank statement. From the glory days of Baiju Bawra to the humiliation of Baiju Bechchara.
  Small wonder then, that people who are wise make their buck and bid adios. But for every such wiz, there are many perpetual losers that to too drunk on the slot machine to every call it quits. The number of young men and women wanting to make it in films, no matter what, is staggering. But then, the might not even know who VKR or BB are - were.
  
  
  
• From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.9) on: Fri Jul 25 00:31:10 EDT 2003
  
  Naaz- You're so right about VKR. Around 7-8 years back, he wrote his memoirs in Kalki. I particularly remember that he candidly accepted all his weaknesses (including the shocking story of how a mother and daughter duo, in whose trap he had fallen, cheated him of a lot of his earnings)-- he said 'Idha paavaththaiyellam naan thavaru endru nangu unarndhe seithen-- adhuthaan vetkkathuriya vedhanai" :-((
  
  

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