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Karthikeyan Nagarajan | April 24, 2004 11:12 IST
http://in.rediff.com/movies/2004/apr/24rahman.htm
When I heard that the City of Birmingham Symphony Orchestra had asked A R Rahman to conduct two live concerts in March this year, I was very happy and proud as an Indian and a Tamilian.
Earlier, I had felt proud in 1993 when Ilayaraja had recorded his first classical orchestral work with the Royal Philharmonic Orchestra of London. I was executive producer of that project.
It was Ilayaraja's first full-fledged classical work and it was recorded under the baton of John Scott. Unfortunately, Ilayaraja has still not released that work.
Hence to know that another composer from our midst has come to the world music arena was thrilling news. Rarely do musicians from our part of the world get such an opportunity.
But it was a big fiasco.
Rahman's popular film songs were converted into orchestral scores to be played by a classical symphony orchestra. They proved to be pale shadows of his original songs. And the predominantly Indian crowd did not appreciate them much.
It was obvious that not much thought had gone into the score. The objective should have been to retain the original melodic flavour suited to a symphony orchestra without electronic instruments and vocals.
Greater disappointment was his total non-preparation for conducting on stage. I consider that highly irresponsible. If Rahman thought conducting a symphony orchestra in concert was similar to a studio session, the people who risked allowing him to do it should be blamed.
I am surprised he has not fully understood the importance of the role of a conductor in a classical symphony orchestra.
Conducting is one of the most important aspects in a classical orchestra's live performance. People like Zubin Mehta have not become legends for nothing. Zubin is one of those rare talents who will conduct even the most difficult and complex symphonies like Mahler's 8th Symphony -- called the Symphony of a Thousand because Mahler's original debut concert required nearly 1,000 performers-musicians and choral groups -- without once referring to the score. Every bar of music is conducted from his memory, with total control and confidence of the orchestra.
As someone who has spent a lot of time on the UK music circuit over the last few years, I assumed Rahman would have done his homework and prepared the music as well as for his new role as conductor of a live concert, that too with a top-notch orchestra like the CBSO.
Rahman should have reminded himself that he was going to wield the baton of Sir Simon Rattle, who became CBSO conductor at 25 (in 1980) and made it one of the best orchestras in the world.
As a BBC reviewer wrote, "I cannot help feeling cheated by the concert. Though the orchestra were highly organised, Rahman seemed slightly uninterested to be there. Audience reactions were also mixed. The audiences were given opportunity to ask him questions to which he often replied with one-word answers. Rahman did conduct the orchestra for a short period, but later sat back with the audience and watched another conduct his music."
As with anywhere else in the West, most orchestras are going through a difficult time with dwindling concert attendances and slow music sales. Add to this the problem of population remix among local patrons.
By 2020, for example, Birmingham is tipped to become the first black majority city in UK. Now, its population is a mix of Asians, Africans and Chinese apart from the native whites.
Hence, orchestras are ready to try anything to bring people into the concert halls. And collaborations with musicians from Asia, titled Classic Asia, are part of the mission.
For the 84 year-old CBSO, it must have been a momentous, difficult decision. They took it because their survival depends on their ability to chart new paths.
With his exposure to the UK music industry through his collaboration with Andrew Lloyd Webber, it was not a surprise that Rahman got the project.
But his botching it up is.
I believe Rahman has not been able to transcend the barrier where his own singing and others are vital for his musical pieces. Obviously, there is an inability to compose music free of the composer/performer. He seems to have attempted something for which he is not yet ready intellectually.
In the end it was totally disappointing.
Rahman's confession -- "I messed it up. Will come next time with much more preparation" -- does not redeem him at all.
Karthikeyan Nagarajan is a Chennai-based software technologist.
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- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.200.244)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:32:58 EDT 2004
// know a guy..called ILAYARAHMANISHARMA...very good in cutting, vetting, otting, and All-in-all
//
Hahhaa,Namma HJ kkey pottiyaaa?
- From: J@cky (@ 61.2.225.223)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:33:18 EDT 2004
Theriyum vayasuadichuu summa keten cuz Paran sonnarey uppuku valikuma nu athan.
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.200.244)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:34:39 EDT 2004
OK,Ok,yellam poi saaptu vaangal.
C~P pasi thaanga maatar pola.Adhu varai vera velaiyaatu velaiyaadanum.
- From: paran (@ 202.172.56.114)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:36:01 EDT 2004
" porumai erumaiyai vida periyathu "
Jacky i assume u haven't meet C~P...avar Yerumai-vide miga miga periyavar!
- From: Jacky (@ 61.2.225.223)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:36:06 EDT 2004
cp already poyachu.
Me 2 escape :)
cya guys.
- From: paran (@ 202.172.56.114)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:37:04 EDT 2004
me too chiow...
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.200.244)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:37:32 EDT 2004
Aama,HJ Arul thread summave irukku.
Poi yedhavadhu kalasungalaen.
- From: J@cky (@ 61.2.225.223)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:37:47 EDT 2004
Enna paran
vidiya vidya kathai ketu
dfrs meet thread padikalaya.
cp, magix, ferrari ellarayum pathachu.
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.200.244)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:39:02 EDT 2004
Yellam oditeengala?
Ayoh,ennakum pasikudhu....
Poitu appuram varen.
- From: F e r r a r i (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Wed Apr 28 03:49:29 EDT 2004
yaaravadhu irukeengala?
aaga motham ambleen kannula LASER treatment kodukkum bodhu, doctor nurse a killi, ava kathacha ava vaaila uppu alli poduvaaru..
Correct aa?
Dr Muthu=LASER=Salt.
How is it?
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.1.201.98)
on: Wed Apr 28 04:27:11 EDT 2004
http://icbirmingham.icnetwork.co.uk/0100news/0100localnews/page.cfm?objectid=12834928&method=full&siteid=50002
http://www.google.co.in/search?q=cache:wVXZ7kyRYVgJ:www.hcilondon.net/indiadigest/Issue-28/Page4.pdf+CBSO+symphony+persian+poem+Rahman&hl=en
links which give some info on that Persian poem....
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.2.224.194)
on: Wed Apr 28 05:42:35 EDT 2004
All these hatred on ARR gets its source from those days when Shankar started working with Rahman and churned out garish numbers like 'Muqabla','Chikku bukku','Urvasi' and all.When one can really understand that not much of musical sense is thrown inside them,the Rhythms sold like anything,that might be the possible reason for this under-estimation and hatred on Rahman by these fellow ppl,but IR's times were more consistent,where he had the opportunity to compose melodies freely,One can think of ManiRatnam instantly as one of the very few dirs who demanded some technoish stuff from IR (Anjali,Agni natchathiram..etc).Other than that IR had much more scope to derive his inspirations from Carnatic to Western classicals,the demand to lean over pop/rock stuff was very less in his peak times.The demad to invent something whether its garish,noisy or anything synthetic to make ppl notice their work showed Rahman in the wrong light i think.Still there is a huge fan follow-up for Rahman who are keen to listen to his 'Shakalaka ' stuff rather than his 'Enuyir Thoziyae'.That must be the one possible reason for these IR fans going berserk over the issue.
- From: Thamizhan (@ 61.2.224.194)
on: Wed Apr 28 05:46:22 EDT 2004
Some thoughts that i had on this biased hatred on Rahman.
Any sensible comments on this are welcome.Expecting ppl who love IR and can still understand Rahman and vice versa to come up here.But given the present conditions that appears a utopian dream.:-)
- From: ~sridhar (@ 203.145.186.2)
on: Wed Apr 28 06:17:57 EDT 2004
As far as I have seen till now, the only reason for the biased hatred of ARR is vaitherichal.
Initial response used to be:"Ippodhaane vandhirkaan, innum moonu varshamaavadhu iruppaananu parpom!"
Approm:"Yella paattu ore madhri irukku...so stereotypical"
Adhukku Approm:"Enna paatto idhu. avar pazhaiya madhri yaen podardhille!!"
Basically, accept pannakoodadhunu mudivu pannittaanga. reason kidaika kashatamane?
(eg. use of north indian singers)
Thamizhan,
Urvashi, Chikku Bukku are in no way garish numbers! If people felt it then, it was simply because they were still in the IR hangover and really couldnt accept this quantum leap! Almost an inertia had set in then.
The point is that there are people like me who love ARR's Ennuyir Thozhiyae as well as Shakalaka with the same amount of zest. Throw into this Theekuruvil, which is a song which defies any genre, and I would be ecstatic.
Eventually, I guess the problem arises when there is a mindset which says that ONLY melody=music or ONLY =music.
- From: Maverick (@ 12.20.58.68)
on: Wed Apr 28 06:22:26 EDT 2004
IR 30
ARR 252
- From: paran (@ 202.172.56.114)
on: Wed Apr 28 06:36:02 EDT 2004
Maverick....ARR-ku 252 vayasa!....
- From: Maverick (@ 192.128.166.68)
on: Wed Apr 28 06:50:08 EDT 2004
IR 30 thaane ?
ARR 252 thaane?
kanakku paa ithu
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