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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 2: Kaadhal Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 9 16:00:26 EDT 1998.
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For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just Kaadhal Paadalgal for this thread. Let's roll.

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• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jul 15 19:07:14 EDT 1998
  
  I concur with your judgement,Pagalavan. VM is no slouch in love songs, but Kannadhaasan is exemplary in his love songs, partly owing to excellent story situations and the paattukku mettu advantage. But in all fairness, the sheer variety and volume of Kannadhaasan's love songs is indomitable. He rules this category. Others can post their summations for this topic as well. I will start the third topic, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 3: Thaththuvap Paadalgal". See you all there.
  
  
• From: Bharat (@ itslab122.its.mu.edu) on: Wed Jul 15 21:07:26 EDT 1998
  
  This was a great thread. I recognized many of the older songs cited, but did not know they were penned by KD. Guess there is some truth to why paattukku mettu is preferred -- KD definitely seems to have had an advantage there, both in terms of the quality of films and the quality of the music. But VM's impassioned bursts of florid poetry still captivate me. I guess it's probably because I've heard VM's songs more often than KD's.
  
  From what I've read here, KD's grasp of kaadhal in his songs seems more overarching, he tries to capture a mini-theme in his songs. Whereas, VM focuses on the exquisite little details, giving each aspect his own little descriptive touches. I wonder if this says anything about the attention span of today's generation!!
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Wed Jul 15 22:58:07 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash, Udhaya & Pags:
  
  Regarding the vizhiyE kadhai ezhudhu
  (Urimai Kural) song: yes, it is by Kannadhasan.
  Since Vaali had some difficulty in writing the
  lyrics for the tune created by MSV, Sridhar
  approached K without informing MGR, got the song
  written and then told MGR that Vaali wrote it;
  K was magnanimous to say ok to all this. That's
  how the song came to be mentioned as having been
  penned by Vaali. Later MGR did come to know
  about the whole thing and thanked K for the song.
  
  (For some reason, malligai en mannan mayangum
  song is officially credited to K although Vaali
  was the one who wrote it.)
  
  
• From: Sathiya Keerthi (@ panorama.nus.edu.sg) on: Thu Jul 16 03:29:53 EDT 1998
  
  mElum sila Kannadhasan paadalgaL...
  
  oodalum koodalum... naayagan kaadhalai avaLidam aRivikkiRaan..
  avaLukku OK endraalum, avan paNakkaaranaachchE, avanukku naan
  EtravaLaa endru ninaikkiRaaL.. indha situation-ukku Kannadhasan
  paadal (Padam: Justice Viswanathan)
  
  aaN:
  silai seyya kaigaL uNdu, thangam konjam thEvai
  singaarap paadal uNdu, thamizh konjam thEvai
  araNmanai ondru uNdu, raaNiyillai ingu
  alangaara thOttam uNdu, kiLiyillai ingu
  manam ennum kOyil uNdu, dheivam illai ingu
  mahaaraaNi enni vittu nee pOvadhengu
  peN:
  araNmanai thEdivandhu paNiseyyum peNNai
  andhappura raaNiyendru solvadhenna ennai
  manam ennum kOyilukkuL silai vaiththEn unnai
  silai seyya thangam uNdu, kaigaL konjam thEvai
  singaara thamizhum uNdu, paadal ondru thEvai
  
  
  kaadhali kaadhalanai eNNi Engi paadum paadal ondru
  'Server Sundaram' padaththil.. adhil kavinjarin
  vaarththai viLaiyaattu arumai...
  
  thaththai nenjam
  muththaththilE
  thiththiththadhaa illaiyaa
  muththam andha
  thaththai nenjil
  niththiththadhaa illaiyaa
  
  kattum kadal
  muththukkaLaal
  kottiththadhaa illaiyaa
  kottiththadhil aththaan nenjai
  thottiththadhaa illaiyaa
  
  kottum kiLi
  kannangaLil
  kOdittadhaa illaiyaa
  kOdittadhaal kOdi sugam
  nErittadhaa illaiyaa
  
  kaN pattadhum
  kai pattadhum
  puNpattadhaa illaiyaa
  puN pattadhum peNmai konjam
  paN pattadhaa illaiyaa
  
  
  oru thudukkaaga pEsum peNNai avan kaadhaliththaan. aanaal
  konja naaLaaga avaL romba amaidhiyaana guNamudaiyavaLaai
  aagivittaaL. (adhu aaL maaRaattaththinaal aanadhu endru
  avanukku theriyaadhu.) avaLidam kaNda maatraththai eNNi
  avan paadum paadal... 'Kaaththirundha Kangal' padaththukkaaga
  kavinjar ezhudhiyadhu...
  
  thuLLi thirindha peN ondru
  thuyil koNdadhEnindru
  thodarndhu pEsum kiLiyondru
  pEsa maRandhadhEnindru
  
  veLLi vadiva mugamondru
  vetkam koNdadhEnindru
  vElil vadiththa vizhiyondru
  moodik koNdadhEnindru
  
  aasai ninjil irundhaalum
  amaidhi koLLum guNam EnO
  annai thandha seedhanamO
  ennai vellum naadagamO
  
  
  I am also cutting and pasting some material from another thread...
  
  Kanchana wrote this...
  
  Padam: Alaya maNi
  Hero loses his legs in a car accident. His fiancee sticks with him during this tough time, and he sings this to her, as she wheels him around the garden.
  These lines describe the inherent peace he has found with her after the terrible psychological scars of his childhood.
  
  Aala maraththin vizhudhinaip pOlE
  aNaiththu niRkum uRavu thandhAyE
  vAzhaik kanRu annaiyin nizhalil
  vAzhvadhu pOlE vAzha vaiththAyE
  indha manamum indha guNamum
  enRum vENdum ennuyirE
  
  
  Amar ezhudhiya oru posting...
  
  This song from "Avargal" was very aptly written by Kannadasan. The heroine( Sujatha ) loves Ravikumar but ends up marrying the bad Rajnikanth. Rajnikanth Sujathavai kodumaippaduthugiraar, both mentally and physically too. Sujatha finally gets divorced from her husband. Piraghu, pazhaiya kaathalanai santhikkiraar. Oru kuzhanthaiyodu ulla Sujathavukku maruvazhvu kodukka ninaikkiraar Ravikumar. Athai eppadiyaavathu keduthuvidavendum yenru kanganam kattikkollum Rajni, nallavar poala nadithu, thannai mannithu meendum yetrukkolla vendum yena yaasikkiraar.
  
  Innilaiyil Sujathavin manam thadumaaruvathai, azhagaaga inthappaadalil kaattiyullaargal:
  
  Angum Ingum Paathai Undu, Inru Nee Enthappakkam;
  Gnaayirundu, Thingalundu, Intha Naal Entha Naalo?
  
  Kantha Enraal, Murugan Vanthaan; Muruga Enraal, Kanthan Vanthaan;
  ....
  Aval Ezhuthum Kavithaigalai Vidhi Pugunthey Thiruthuthamma!"
  
  "Gnaayiru" enru Rajniyaiyum( avachollaal sutterippavar ), Thingal yenru Ravikumaraiyum( menmaiyaana, ullam kuliravaippavar ) yenru azhagaaga uvamai kaattiyullaar Kannadasan.
  
  Akka (Sathya Kabali) ezhudhiya posting ondru...
  "Kaaviyath thalaivi " KByin iyakkaththil Soucar janaki thayaariththu irattai vEdangaLil nadiththa padam.
  
  Jeminiyum, Soucarum kaathalargaL. Jemini barrister padikka ayalnaadu selkiRaan. vaRumaiyinaal, SJ oru ayOkkiyanai ( M.R.R.Vasu) thirumaNam mudikkiRaaL. avanaal, palar munbu aadip paadi vaazum nilaiyum varukiRathu. Jemini thirumbi, kaathaliyai kaNdu pidikka mudiyavillai. naNban oruvan, avan sokaththaik kuRaikka SJyin idaththukku azaiththu selkiRaan. thiraiyin maRaivil irukkum SJ paadukiRaaL
  
  "nalam kEtka vanthaayO - illai
  sugam kaaNa vanthaayO?
  mukam paarkka vanthaayO - illai
  en kathai kEtka vanthaayO?
  en kathai kEtka vanthaayO?
  
  peN paarththa maappiLaikku kaNNerum theriyavillai
  kaNNeeril kathai ezuthi sonnaalum puriyavillai
  
  maalaiyitta paaviyidam manjaLukku makimaiyillai
  maanamuLLa paavaiyena vaaza oru vaazkkaiyillai
  kattilukku kadan koduththaaL thottilukku vilai koduththaaL
  kattaLaiyil piRantha piLLai kaaval kaaNa vaazukinRaaL
  
  kungumaththil vaaznthirunthaal maNdapaththil vElai illai
  kOvilukkuL theyvamillai vaasalukku veLiyil vanthaaL
  pottu vaiththu alangariththaaL punnakaiyil poy vaLarththaaL
  pattavarai pOthumenRu paattu paada sabai pukunthaaL
  paattu paada sabai pukunthaaL"
  
  SJ sabaiyil vanthathum athirchchi adainthu Jemini Oduvathudan paadal mudikiRathu
  
  A posting that I made...
  KaNNE Paappaa padaththil naayaki K.R.Vijaya
  nayakan Muthuraman-idam mayangi adhanaal uRavu ERpattu
  kalyaaNam seyyaamal thaayaaga nEridugiRadhu. M'Raman
  avaLai Emaatrivittu Odi vidugiRaan. PiRandha kuzhandhai
  thaayidamirundhu pirindhu engengO alaindhu pala
  kashtangaL pattu than Amma-Appa-vai eppadi thEdi
  adaigiRadhu enbadhuthaan padaththin mukkiya karu. Idhu
  kuzhandhaigaLukkaaga edukkap patta padam. Director-ukku (ACT?)
  KRV M'Ramanidam Emaandha kadhaiyai detail-aaga
  explain paNNa viruppamillai; adhanaal KRV thaan
  Emaandhadhai ninaippadhu pOl varum oru paadalai
  amaikka cholla, Kannadhasan azhagaana indha paadalai
  ezhuthinaar; matrum, MSV-in innisaiyudanum Director-in
  nalla picturization-inaalum ip paadal padaththil
  miga nandraaga amaindhadhu.
  
  She is living near Kutralam; aruviyil oru naaL
  kuLikkum pOdhu avan thannai paarppadhai uNarugiRaaL; avnaik kaNdu mayangavum seygiRaaL:
  
  thendralil aadai pinna
  thEnaruvi mEni minna
  andru naan kutraalaththil
  aasaiyaay kuLiththirundhEn
  angangaL nanaiththirundhEn
  
  paalaadai paLapaLakka
  mElaadai kaayththeduththu
  paaraadha vizhiyiraNdu
  paarppadhai naanaRindhEn
  vEshaththai naan maRandhEn
  vetkaththil thalai kunindhEn
  
  She sees him following her at the temple; avanidam
  uLLa mayakkaththil avaLukku kOyil mELam saththam
  kooda kEtkavillai:
  
  aanaimugan kOyililE
  andhipadum vELaiyilE
  kannimaram sutri vandhEn
  kaNNiraNdai angum kaNdEn
  mELaththai naan maRandhEn
  naaNaththil thalai kunindhEn
  
  At the shop near the temple she is buying bangles;
  Nayakan makes his move and grasps her hands, but
  instead of resisting his move, she only gets thrilled:
  
  kaNNaadi vaLayalgaLai
  kaiyOdu naan eduththEn
  ennOdu kaiyiraNdu
  iNaivadhai naan aRindhEn
  ammammaa mey silirththEn
  achchaththaal thalai kunindhEn
  
  She buys a roll of flowers and hastily walks off; the
  flower-roll falls from her hands; she bends to pick
  it up, and finds him standing near it:
  
  kai niRaya poo eduththu
  kaatru pOl nadandhu vandhu
  kai nazhuvi poo vizhundhu
  kaal thEdi pOga kaNdEn
  kaal paarththu thalai nimirndhEn
  kaN paarththu thalai kunindhEn
  
  Ultimately she loses her body to him, in a moment
  when she forgets the consequences; however, for her he
  is the "only-one"; an assumed husband;
  so he is her dheivam:
  
  mEgam maRaiththadhinaal
  viLakkoLi Edhumillai
  mOdhum siRu oLiyil
  mugaththil mugam iNaindhEn
  dhEgam maRandhuvittEn
  dheivaththil naan iNaindhEn
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate1.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Thu Jul 16 16:26:11 EDT 1998
  
  Pagalavan, Sathya Kirthi
  Thanks for the info about vizhiyE kadhai ezhudhu. I don't know about the background information.
  
  Still I need to read the wonderful thread.
  
  So, the conclusion is
  
  kadhalil kaNNadhasanai vijukvatharkkum, mijuvadharakum yAr irukkirargaL!!!
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-tk021.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Jul 16 20:40:32 EDT 1998
  
  My Summary Comments & Opinions:
  kaviyarasar kaNNadhAsan excels himself in this kAdhal pAdal category with exquisite varuNanaigaL, deep/rich feelings, mischievous playfulness, mature sensuality, poetic presentation, tasteful words, classical literary touches & inspirations, sophisticated wordplay and more. The way he captures and presents the various shades of love shows his understanding of the movie situation as well as the intricacies of human psychology.
  
  pudhumaikkavignar vairamuththu tries valiantly but does pale in comparison in capturing the breadth as well as the depth of a rich, multifacted concept as kAdhal. However, I have to say I enjoy the glimpses of new ideas and humorous light-heartedness in some of VM's newer songs!
  
  kAdhal enbadhu kaviththuvaththukkE Or uraikal; iru kavigaLaiyum andha uraikallil urasip pArththadhil thangamenath theribavar kaviyarasar kaNNadhAsan enbadhu en karuththu.
  
  

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