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Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 2: Kaadhal Paadalgal

Topic started by Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on Thu Jul 9 16:00:26 EDT 1998.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

For a good understanding of how to approach this ongoing symposium, please refer to the thread, "Kannadhaasan Vs. Vairamuthu TFM Symposium Topic 1:Iyarkai Varnanai" before you post. Let me reiterate that this is not a patti mandram, but a research symposium.
Please show TFM examples of both poets with regards to just Kaadhal Paadalgal for this thread. Let's roll.

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• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Tue Jul 14 23:32:48 EDT 1998
  
  Below is one of the hits of kannadasan which is too romantic.
  
  The below song can be classified also as "Sanga ilakkiyangalil iruntha thondriyavai"
  When u take kambaramayan by kambar,
  After rama turns the rock into "Ahaliga" he goes
  to mithila and break the bow to marry Sita.
  There will a line which kambar has written to
  tell how viswamitra was feeling about rama.
  those lines were
  "Kaal vannam ange kanden, kai vannam inge kanden"
  
  KD has kept these lines as base and written a
  very nice song. THat is.
  
  male:Palvannam paruvam kandu vel vannam vizhigal maan vannam nan kandu vadugiren
  Female: Kan vannam ange kandu kai vannam inge kandu pen vannam noy kondu vadugiren
  
  ...
  ..
  ..
  
  Female : pal vanna meni kandu pooovanna malai kondu oorvalam poy vara aasai illaiya.
  Male : pal vannam....
  
  
• From: Radha Sanjay (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Tue Jul 14 23:42:22 EDT 1998
  
  Again about VM
  
  the following songs from mannukkul vairam is great.
  
  Male : idhazhodu ithazh serum neram inbangal aaraga oorum
  Female: madi meethu madi vaithu anbe unnodu nan kathai solla vendum.
  
  Female: sila nalai thudithana vizhigal enenru kelungal neengal.
  Male: kann thookam marainthana imaigal nee inri nagarathu natkal.
  Female: kanna un uyirodu uyiragi ponen
  un tholil poomailai nane.
  
  idhazhodu..
  
  Male: en perai maranthu nan irunthen nee enthan uyiraga vanthai
  Female: en unnai pirinthu nan thalarnthen un kannil uyir thedi vanthen
  Male: katcheri kekkatha isai undu mane
  nam sinthum muthangal sangeetham thene
  Female: en meni un marbil thane
  
  Male: idhazhodu.
  
  
  
• From: Bhaskar (@ spider-tc064.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Jul 15 00:28:33 EDT 1998
  
  Friends,
  
  I am unable to get time to read this entire
  thread as it is growing like the size of a
  Godzilla :-)))
  
  I shall read the entire thread later and will
  be back for more fun ...
  
  Until then here is the entire song .......
  
  Movie : Paasam
  Music : MSV/TKR
  Year : 1962
  Lyrics: Kannadhaasan
  Singers : PBS and PS.
  
  
  PBS:
  Paal vaNNam paruvam kaNdu!
  Vael vaNnam vizhigal kaNdu
  Maam vaNNam naan kaNdu vaadugiraen!
  
  PS:
  kaN vaNnam angae kaNdaen!
  Kai vaNNam ingae kaNdaen
  PeN vaNnam noi kondu vaadugiraen!
  
  Kannam minnum mangai vannam
  Undhan munnum vandha pinnum
  Alli alli nenjil vaikka aasaiyillaiyaa ?
  
  Kaar vaNNa koondhal thottu
  Thaer vaNNa maeni thottu
  Poo vaNNa paadam solla eNNam illaiyaa ?
  
  PBS:
  Paal vaNNam paruvam kaNdu!
  Vael vaNnam vizhigal kaNdu
  Maam vaNNam naan kaNdu vaadugiraen!
  
  Manjal vaNNa nenjil pattu
  Konjum vaNNa vanji chittu
  Anji anji kaenjum bodhu aasai illaiyaa ?
  
  Naer sendra paadhai vittu
  Naan sendra podhu vandhu
  
  Vaa vendru alli kolla mangai illaiyaa ?
  
  PS:
  kaN vaNnam angae kaNdaen!
  Kai vaNNam ingae kaNdaen
  PeN vaNnam noi kondu vaadugiraen!
  
  Paruvam vandha kaalam thottu
  Pazhagum kaNgal paarvai kaettu
  Endrum unna enni enni yaengavillaiyaa ?
  
  PBS:
  Naan kaNdu maalai ittu
  Naan unnai tholil vaithu
  Oorvalam poi vara aasai illaiyaa ?
  
  PS:
  kaN vaNnam angae kaNdaen!
  Kai vaNNam ingae kaNdaen
  PeN vaNnam noi kondu vaadugiraen!
  
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Jul 15 04:42:09 EDT 1998
  
  Digression :
  
  The poem by Kamban is terrific. He uses Vannam in a very inventive manner.
  
  Vishwamitrar telling Rama after the Sapa Vimochanam sequence:
  
  "Iv Vannam Nighazaindha Vannam,Indha Ulagukkellam Uyi Vannam Andri
  Verroru Thuyar Vannam Uruvadillai.
  Maei Vannathu Arakki Poril, Mazhai Vannathu Annale,
  Un Kai Vannam Angu Kandem, Kaal Vannam Ingu Kanden.
  
  Oooh. It is really a tough task transliterating into tamil.
  
  
• From: S.Suresh (@ dwarpal.wipsys.soft.net) on: Wed Jul 15 04:50:34 EDT 1998
  
  Mistake. It should read transliterating from tamil and not "into tamil"
  
  
• From: mE! mE! (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 15 06:40:42 EDT 1998
  
  Another classic VARNANAI of Kannadasan - the
  whole song is kAthaliyai varNikkum kAthalan..
  
  anbu nadamAdum kalaik koodamE
  Asai mazai mEgamE
  viNNil viLayAdum eLil vaNNamE
  mannar kulath thangamE
  
  mAthavik kodi poovin idhazOramE
  mayakkum mathuch sAramE
  .....
  kanni thamiz mandRamE
  
  Everyline ends with "mE"!!
  
  
• From: enna! eNNa! (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 15 06:53:20 EDT 1998
  
  Kannadasanukku...
  
  When they are in love - they think about each other
  antha ninaippugaL vaLarnthu maram pOla vaLarnthu..
  antha Ekkam eppathAn thaNiyum ????
  
  endRo oru nAL eNNiya eNNam
  ilai vittathenna
  kani vittathenna
  pidi pattathenna
  
  idai thotta pOthum
  ithaz thotta pOthum
  Ekkam theernthathenna!!
  
  mangai-in kannam
  sivanthathu enna
  piRanthathu enna
  nadanthathu enna
  
  kodai thantha vaLLal kuRi vaithu mella
  kooda vandhadhenna
  
  
  
• From: hum ApkE hai kOn (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 15 06:59:09 EDT 1998
  
  
  Who is she to him ???? in Kannadasan words..
  
  mAlai itta nEram thottu manaivi AginEn
  madi-il vaithu konjum pOthu annai AginEn
  Sevai seiyum vELaiyilE thAthi AginEn
  iravinilE thanimaiyilE thuNaivi AginEn
  
  
  
• From: avaL thamiZ (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 15 07:11:34 EDT 1998
  
  avaL pEsum thamiz... paRRi Kannadasan
  
  kamban thamizO pAttinilE
  sangath thamizO madhurai-lE
  piLLai thamizO mazalaiyilE
  nee pEsum thamizO vizikaLilE
  
  kaNNAl thamiz pEsum peN!!!!
  
  appadi pattavaLE nee...
  
  nenjam muzuthum kavithai ezuthu
  konjum isai-ai pAdi pazagu
  
  avaL konjaL isai!!!
  
  
• From: ilakaNam_maRanthavan (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 15 07:20:36 EDT 1998
  
  Word Play of Kannadsan in a KATHAL song...
  
  What is it called - to start a new line
  with the finishing word of previous line ???
  
  I am refering to the Moondru Mudichu song....
  
  Adi veLLi thEdi unnai nAn adaintha nEram
  
  Vali has written a song something similar in
  
  nAm oruvarai oruvar santhipOm ena kAthal devathai
  
  Any such song by VM ???
  
  
  
• From: kuRumbukAran (@ bones.deneb.com) on: Wed Jul 15 08:00:38 EDT 1998
  
  Another Kannadasan kAthal kuRumbu...
  
  viziyE viziyE unakenna vElai
  virunthukku varavA nALaikku mAlai
  thoothu selladi methuvAga
  nenjai kEttu solladi suvaiyAga
  
  virunthu endRAlum varalAm varalAm
  marunthu thanthAlum tharalAm
  ithil nALai enna nalla vELai enna
  ingu nAngu kaNkaLum uRavAda!!
  
  
  
• From: Prakash Balakrishnan (@ gate5.ca.us.ibm.com) on: Wed Jul 15 11:34:27 EDT 1998
  
  Ramki,
  
  I have the cassette "MGR Padalgal Vol VII" it has Mattukara VeLan padalgaL. All of them are by KaNNadhasan. As Satya Keerthi mentioned, KaNNadhasan wrote songs for MGR even there was a friction between them.
  
  One more kaNNadhasan-MGR combination song from the film Urimaik Kural
  
  vizhiyE kadhai ezhuthu
  kaNNeeril ezhuthathE
  MajaL vaNam, Thendral satchi unakkagavE Nan vazhkirEn
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Wed Jul 15 14:39:23 EDT 1998
  
  Prakash,
  Unless put out by the recording company, cassettes and CDs often get the singers, songwriters info wrong. For instance, "Vizhiyae Kadhai Ezhudhu" (I know for sure for I heard it said a million times on VividhBharathi) was by Vaali. It was one of Vaali's biggest hits in the 70s.
  To all,
  What do you say, guys? Should we wrap up the Kaadhal Paadalgal topic and move on to topic 3 in the symposium? I believe we have enough examples for this topic for now.
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Wed Jul 15 18:52:40 EDT 1998
  
  I think its appropriate to include here one of my previous postings in some other thread about Kaviyarasar's kAthal thOlvip pAdalgaL:
  
  kavignarin kaathal thOlvip paadalgaLai asaipOttuk
  koNdirundhEn. kaathaalukkuththaan kaN illai
  enbaargaL, anaal kaathal thOlvikku?
  
  kavignarin kaathal thOlvip paadalgaL
  niRaiya irundhaalum, naan adhigamaay nEsikkum
  indhap paadalgaLil, kavignar, indha paazhaayp
  pOna kaNNaalthaanE kaathal vandhadhu enRu
  kaNgaLai kadindhukoLkiRaar. aththOdu niRuththik
  koLLaamal kadavuLaiyum kadindhukoLkiRaar.
  
  kaNNaip padaiththu peNNaip padaiththa
  iRaivan kodiyavanE..
  [-Puthiya PaRavai]
  
  enRu iRaivanaiyE pazhikkum kavignar, orupadi mElE
  pOy avanukku endha IPC-yil thaNdanai
  koduppathu enRu kEtgiRaar:
  
  kaNgaLin thaNdanai kaatchi vazhi..
  kaatchiyin thaNdanai kaathal vazhi..
  kaathalin thaNdanai kadavuL vazhi..
  kadavuLai thaNdikka enna vazhi..
  [-Vasantha MaLigai]
  
  iRaivanukku enna thaNdanai tharalaam enRu kEttavar
  aduththa paatil vivagaaramaana thaNdanai onRai
  avarE tharugiRaar:
  
  eththanai peN padaiththaan..
  ellOrkkum kaN padaiththaan
  aththanai kaNgaLilum
  aasaiyennum visham koduththaan..
  :
  :
  avanai azhaiththuvandhu
  aasaiyil mithakkavittu
  aadadaa aadu enRu aadavaiththup paarthiruppEn..
  varuvaan.. thudiththiduvaan..
  pattathE pOdhum enbaan..
  paavi avan peNgaLaiyE padaikkaamal
  niRuththivaippaan..
  [-Vaanambaadi]
  
  ippadiyellaam aavEsamaaga kaNgaLai kaathalukkum
  kaathal thOlvikkum kaaraNam kaatiya kavignar than
  nilaiyilirundhu satRE iRangi vandhu kaNgaLidamE
  kenjuvadhaip paarungaL:
  
  kaNgaLE..kaNgaLE..
  kaathal seivathai vittu vidungaL..
  peNgaLE..peNgaLE..
  vaalibaraik konjam vaazhavidungaL..
  [-Vaazhkkaip padagu]
  
  kadindhu koLLappaduvadhu kaNgaLaaga irundhaalum sari alladhu kadavuLaaga irundhaalum sari, kadindhukoLbavar kaNNadaasan-aaga irukkumpOdhu, namakku kaaviyangaLE allavA kidaiththuvidugiRana...
  
  Udhaya
  We can wrap up the topic, I guess. My view is : kAthalai VM-um azhagAgap pAdiyirunthAlum, athai vevvERu parimANangaLil, soozhalgaLil "nachchenRu" pAdalagaL punainthavar kaviyarasar kaNNadAsan mattumE. His spectrum of pAdalagaL in this category is something phenomenal..
  
  
  
• From: Pagalavan (@ bbn-cache-3.cisco.com) on: Wed Jul 15 19:04:22 EDT 1998
  
  Udhaya
  
  I think Udhaya is right about vizhiyE kathai ezhuthu. It was written by kaNNadAsan. I remember seeing somewhere an article by Vaali whereby Vaali himself admitted that vizhiyE kathai ezhuthu was penned by KaNNadAsan. I, for sure, know that the song was of pAttukku mettu type composition; MSV had tuned atleast 16 different tunes and the last tune alone got OK'ed by MGR.
  
  

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