Topic started by saw virumandi (@ 67.125.27.215) on Thu Jan 15 01:18:52 EST 2004.
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I saw Virumandi by paying extra.
Why KAMAL..? Why u proved all that told by K.Balachander in Virumandi VIZHA.
It is better to have directors like BHARATHAN ( DEVAR MAHAN ) to deliver a good interesting movie.
Virumandi was very raw and not able to sit in the second half.
Dont confuse the audience with ur confused state of mind.
Iam UPSET and my friends ridicule me as a fan of yours.
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- From: mnt (@ 172.162.37.244)
on: Sun Jan 18 14:41:21 EST 2004
http://www.chennaionline.com/Moviereviews/tammov324.asp
Another review, it's quite balanced
- From: MusicIsLife (@ 209.101.193.66)
on: Sun Jan 18 21:00:26 EST 2004
mnt
Veenai S Balachander was a master craftsman in directing the gr8 movies.. probably u should watch along with Andha naal, Bombai, Naan Avan illa ( i guess this was KB )
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168)
on: Sun Jan 18 21:43:17 EST 2004
Simply superb..
maan what a narration, what a set, what a story.
I just can't believe Kamal have done such a great job in direction. The way he connects ALL the incidents was superb. The double narration, which doesn't get bored is quite good too...thanks for Kamal's direction in which to ommit out most of the parts told by KotthalaDevan..so Kamal's version was more like fixing the missing puzzle....
and at the ending, flash back for almost every sentence between Kamal and Peykaman...was another notable way of story telling....
This movie got to be watched on how to direct...
Simply..look at the KotthalaDevan's right hand man...the guy who got his shoulder chopped, when Kamal wants to know abt what happen to Abhiraami. Then the same guy in front of the courtroom, when his other "kaiyaal" touches his shoulder, the way he shouts and hold his shoulder in pain...is just one of the finer parts which Kamal have taken care superbly....
my rating for this movie would be 9/10!!!.....that tooo...coz too many bloods, and some vulgar and embarassing lines...that's all
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.201.178)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:05:11 EST 2004
mnt,
I dunno if "Andha Naal" is by Veenai Balachander. All I know is it has NO SONGS and that even if you watch it today, it wouldn't bore you. You may find certain "suththa tamizh" dialogues irritating today!! :-)
- From: Kannan from Sydney (@ 138.130.104.34)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:10:19 EST 2004
Guys...don't get too excited...this is another Guna/Hey Ram...Kamal got himself confused and getting all of us confused too. The ground realities will hit you guys sooner than you expect. Can't Kamal give us a movie which is original (he always trys to copy old Sivaji films or good english classics - he is influenced by Andanaal here!)? Kamal, give us a simle, clean and 'Tamil' film. Don't try those 'intelectual' flicks. And, don't try to make English films out of Tamil films...we might as well go and see English films!
- From: Speaker (@ 203.126.142.232)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:14:12 EST 2004
Paran, is it your revised review?
- From: defender (@ 207.112.59.85)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:22:06 EST 2004
Guys ....for christ's sake....don't judge the originality of Virumandi by the narrative style followed. This particular narrative style has been adopted by many movies (Courage under fire, One night at Mcools, Basic, Andha Naal come to my mind) and owes its orgin to Kurasawa's Roshoman. It is just another technique like the flashback.
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:25:07 EST 2004
Kannan...
i am not sure whether u have watched the movie..or simply posting based on the postings above yours...anyhow....
this movie is original....
and Speaker
yes paa..it's my revised budget..chi....review....
maan..it's too good...i got to watch it again...
eventhough there's too much blood...HEY..i even watched SEVEN more than once....there's more blood from 6 dead bodies only...but all of the bodies were 100 times horrible than what we see in Virumaandi
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:26:35 EST 2004
and oh yea..the narration can even be linked with Brian de Palma's Snake Eyes...a Nicholas Cage movie....where everbody tells what happen abt the same incident...does that mean that Brian copied Andha Naal!...
"may be"...some of u will say
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.201.178)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:28:18 EST 2004
Kannan,
what according to u is reality and what is that u feel is unbelievable in this movie?
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.201.178)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:30:12 EST 2004
Paran,
oru chinna matter....Brian de Palma wudnt have heard about Andha Naal, but Kamal wud surely have! ;-)
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168)
on: Sun Jan 18 22:31:39 EST 2004
I think the only unbelieveble scene in the movie woudl be the BEE hive transferring part...that too...was not done for a serious script effect...
and Kannan..if u can even get so confused on this movie...how the hell u finished ur studies man!
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.201.178)
on: Sun Jan 18 23:01:56 EST 2004
avar padippa paththi ellam ethuvum commit pannikaliye! ;-)
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168)
on: Sun Jan 18 23:05:50 EST 2004
appona...Kannan padikille-ne solringala?
- From: C~P (@ 61.1.201.178)
on: Sun Jan 18 23:18:49 EST 2004
naan ethuvum sollaliye! :-)
- From: MESH (MALAYSIA) (@ 202.9.107.226)
on: Mon Jan 19 00:57:10 EST 2004
Who said GUNA and HEY RAm...is not a good movies..
it is excelent movies...I donno what type of tatste u ar...
regards,
MESH
(MALAYSIA)
- From: Sut (@ 219.94.44.254)
on: Mon Jan 19 02:13:46 EST 2004
hahaa hahah hahaha
- From: Balu (@ 128.107.253.41)
on: Mon Jan 19 02:45:41 EST 2004
Did u guys notice that the camera angles too were different for the two(Kothlan's and Virumaandi's) narrations in some scenes. This impressed me a lot. The first time I saw something like this in Tamizh Cinema. Truely remarkable errofrt from Kamal.
- From: Pradeep (@ 61.2.224.23)
on: Mon Jan 19 03:39:18 EST 2004
For aids awareness - you take a full length XXX movie, and at the end you show a hiv+ man and subtitle - look how you'll become!!.. The 2 1/2 hour scenes of violence, will surely eat over the 5 min confession and pleading of the character virumandi.
I cannot figure out who are the target audience. Not for the civilians, but for some idiyamin kumbal??
this movie is like a WWF for pervert adults. I would surely rate this movie good, if the gory gorier and the goriest scenes are removed.
This film makes an bearable impact on the wrong side. Backtracing?
- From: Ras (@ 194.170.246.22)
on: Mon Jan 19 03:52:45 EST 2004
Guys,
Someone mentioned that there are some tacky graphics used in the film. (ligtning strike).
Are there any more scenes where the users can make out the use of graphics?
I believe that if the graphics used in a film are not noticeable, (like say, adding crowd or touching up a set etc.), it should be welcome, as this means good art direction. However if they are used for an effect, like the real amateurish ones used in Hey Ram (morphing of Vasundhara to a gun, for example) and in most of Shankar's movies, then it stands out like a sore thumb.
Hope Kamal hasn't used such gimmiks in this movie.
- From: paran (@ 203.123.16.168)
on: Mon Jan 19 03:56:59 EST 2004
Ras...there are not many such graphics...except for the BEE scenes...that's a bit childish....
but the graphics for FLIES on napolean's dead body was superb...and the sound editing was perfect i would say...
Balu...
i didn't really notice that..but will do it again...anyway...such a trick was used in SEVEN..a movie of Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman...now i am not saying that Kamal copied or what so ever..just that in seven the editing for BP scenes are a bit different compare to MF's scenes..
anyway......i enjoyed the movie thoroughly
- From: Ferrari (@ 202.56.254.13)
on: Mon Jan 19 05:45:51 EST 2004
Lots of talk about andha naal. I have seen that movie atleast two times. There was a famous actor called javar seetharaman who plays the role of detective.
The movie is a murder mystery and was very very good.
But at same time, I dont think there is any relevance between that movie and virumaandi. Literally nothing. If you look for small small things, then you can link every movie to some old movie.
Like
1. Jallikattu scene, a little from murattu kalai.
2. Getting married in temple with a thousand old tamil movie
3. Jail scenes from so many movies.
Comparisons galore.
But in Virumandi, there is no trace of andha naal copy effect. In that movie, javar seetharaman will question everyone and get their version of murder. He will be questioning many people and get the truth using his sixth sense and old tamil proverb "Kolayum seivaal pathini".
In virumandi, it is different. He gets the story told by two people. And both dod not lie. They only interpret it in different way. That is it.
Just because of that you cant say the inspiration was from Andha naal.
- From: kdot (@ 61.2.224.137)
on: Mon Jan 19 06:26:30 EST 2004
>>"Did u guys notice that the camera angles too were different for the two(Kothlan's and Virumaandi's) narrations in some scenes"
not jus the camera angles. dts sound is also used brilliantly to distinguish between the two narratives.look closer.
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16)
on: Mon Jan 19 06:29:42 EST 2004
Paran,
Balu is right...the camera angles and the facial expressions were different for ceratin overlapping scenes in the 2 narrations
Ferrari,
If i am right, I brought about the Andha Naal comparison in here. I just said that Kamal might have been inspired by that movie, never mentioned that it was a ditto. Even the inspiration part of it, I said, was only in the style of narration. This is what I wrote...
"The film is getting good reviews from all fronts as far as I have seen. Especially, the way the story has been told seems to have attracted everybody. I do not deny that it was good, but I just get the feeling that Kamal may have been inspired from "Andha Naal", a Sivaji starrer. "Andha Naal" was similar in a way. The central character - Sivaji dies in the very first scene and the investigator hears the stories from all those related to him to finally solve the case. The main difference being that the stories told in "Andha Naal" are different incidents and experiences which the investigator uses to find the inconsistencies, but here, in "Virumaandi" we have two different versions of a same 'story'. I may be wrong in bringing this comparison, but that was something that struck me immediately. This effort from Kamal is being rightly appreciated and I don't think there can be any second opinions about it."
And your sarcasm about the jail scenes/jallikattu scenes do not fit the place. Those are common happenings in cinemas. I mentioned the similarity only because the style of narration seems to have attracted everybody when I did not feel that this was a first time attempt. The style of narration has attracted everybody, including myself and I do not deny that.
"In that movie, javar seetharaman will question everyone and get their version of murder."
This is what I said as well. Virumaandi has different versions of the same incident while Andha Naal has different versions that might have led to an incident.
- From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16)
on: Mon Jan 19 06:33:52 EST 2004
kdot,
dts sound?!! ... NOW, that is SOME observation!! ... how many times have u seen the movie? ... that is brilliant if u noticed it the first time!!!!
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