Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Rgpm Sundar (@ 61.11.80.97)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:28:39 EDT 2002
Vel,
What is this? Meghamey thoodhaga vaa in Ketharagowlai? Non-sense. It is pahadi based.
MS,
What is that song of KVM you are referring to? Pl.give some more details-movie,singer,etc.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.175)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:30:11 EDT 2002
and it shows Pa throughout....
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.175)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:32:36 EDT 2002
Rgpm Sundar,cud u pl. respond...
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.175)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:40:31 EDT 2002
And 1 more doubt- meghame doesn't seem to show double Ri's and Ga's to qualify as pahAdi...
- From: Vel (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:46:05 EDT 2002
:-) Sindhuja...makes sense :-))
- From: vel (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:54:52 EDT 2002
Rgpm sundar...
thanks a lot for those sriranjani numbers of IR. And i never knew any songs of IR in nattakurinji and u have mentioned that 'ponnil vaanam' and 'pallaviye charanam' are both in nattakurinji. Hmmm!
And about Kedaragowla, i am not sure. But is it Pahadi?
Ram, thanks for pointing out...
Can somebody post the difference between,
a) Khamas, karnataka Khamas
b) sivaranjani, vijayanagari & revathi
c) dhevagandhari, carnataka dhevagandhari, abheri and arabhi?
- From: A.P.Nagarajan (@ 63.161.25.156)
on: Sat Aug 17 04:26:38 EDT 2002
sonthamaai posting pOttu per vaanguvarum uNdu aduthavar posting-ai avathooru kaRpiththu per vaangubavarum uNdu
- From: Vel (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Sat Aug 17 07:22:36 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
It seems 'priya priya en priya' by Deva is in Pahadi too.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.17)
on: Sat Aug 17 09:25:23 EDT 2002
Vel,karnataka khamas-BahudAri + Da in the avarO.(tnx. to IR :) )
VijayanAgari,I believe is Shivaranjani+Ma2(both in ArO and avarO)
Revathi is Sa Ri1 Ma1 Pa Ni2 Sa,same way back.
Well,abt. DevagAndhAri and Arabhi,tnx. for bringing up this topic.(I didn't know there was a rAgam called devagAndhAri!I'd only heard of karnAtaka devagAndhARi)Another pair of fraud rAgAs :-)
Here r some points from a book I have-
1)Arabhi is an upAnga rAgA,DevagAndhAri is a bhAshAnga rAgA(takes Ni2 too)
2)In DevagAndhAri,the "emergence of gamakas and viLambakAla prayOgas will be more,the dIrgha Ga is a peculiarity of this rAgam".
3) :-) dEvagAndhAri is a "vira rasa pradhAna rAgA and is used for portraying heroic and valiant deeds".
And which film is "Priya priya" from?(just remember the 1st line vaguely....
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.17)
on: Sat Aug 17 09:27:26 EDT 2002
And,abt. Abheri and karnAtaka devagAndhari,I've always been thinking the 2 r the same.
- From: IR (@ )
on: Sat Aug 17 10:39:18 EDT 2002
Sindhu I didn't know there was a rAgam called devagAndhAri!I'd only heard of karnAtaka devagAndhARi
?? Ksheerasaagara sayana??
- From: IR (@ 4.64.201.224)
on: Sat Aug 17 10:41:00 EDT 2002
contd: one of the most commonly rendered krithi.. kettadhillaya? aslo "enneramum undhan sannidhiyile" - great devagandhari compositions...
- From: Vel (@ 203.199.245.44)
on: Sat Aug 17 12:11:52 EDT 2002
thanks sindhuja..
what is the base raga of 'kudagu malai kaatril varum' from 'karagaattakaran? Reminds so much of 'vanna nilave vaigai nadhiye'of Paadadha Theneekal.
- From: Vel (@ 203.199.245.44)
on: Sat Aug 17 12:13:10 EDT 2002
thanks sindhuja..
what is the base raga of 'kudagu malai kaatril varum' from 'karagaattakaran? Reminds so much of 'vanna nilave vaigai nadhiye'.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.233)
on: Sat Aug 17 14:07:11 EDT 2002
IR,yeah,now I remember-I've heard the latter by K.V.N-soulful rendering....but I didn't know it was in this rAgam..
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.233)
on: Sat Aug 17 14:15:19 EDT 2002
Vel,pallavi-pahadi,1st interlude and charaNams-mishra shivaranjani,2nd interlude-Hemavathi+VijayanAgari,AIMVHO.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.233)
on: Sat Aug 17 14:17:57 EDT 2002
may be pallavi also sounds "Shivaranjani-ish" coz of Ga2....
- From: amritha (@ 67.250.114.72)
on: Sat Aug 17 14:21:29 EDT 2002
Hi
There used to be a cassette by P Susheela with songs about ashtalakshmi. In it there was a song that went, "Dhaaniya thirumagaley, thaarani muzhudhum thalarthida seibavaley."
I like this song a lot. It sounds something like the hindi songs, "Raam kare aisa ho jaaye, meri nindiya tohe mil jaaye" from Milan and the famous "Kora kaagaz tha yeh man mera" from Aradhana.
Can anyone tell me the name of the cassette and the raagam on which this "dhaaniya thirumagaley" song is based?
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Sun Aug 18 06:18:24 EDT 2002
ROS group
I have uploaded to ROS yahoo groups, a number touted to be in jOg. Although one of the learrned colleague of mine has the follwoing opinion:
"The raag Jog is like this:
aaroohaNa: S G3 M1 P N3 S - avarohaNa: S N2 P M1 Gaaaa-3 S Gaaaaa-2 S
Note: the note G is of longer duration in the avarOhaNa.
Naattai is like:
S R3 G3 M1 P D3 N3 S - S N3 P M1 R3 S "
A very good melody to enjoy. I shall upload pramadhavanam veeNdum and associated songs soon. Jog has this amazing greatness of being close to shudhdha dhanyaais in feel as well as the beautiful naattai. Go ahead and dl.
BTW, any coments on "bina prEm dheeraj nahin" by KJY-Salil Chaurdhry, which I got u people sometime back ?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.8)
on: Sun Aug 18 09:51:44 EDT 2002
MS,a doubt,shudn't the last swaram in the avarOhaNam also be called Ri3 instead of Ga2?
- From: IR (@ 4.64.201.224)
on: Sun Aug 18 10:51:33 EDT 2002
sindhu - Ga2 = Ri3 :-)
- From: IR (@ 4.64.201.224)
on: Sun Aug 18 10:56:14 EDT 2002
pOna poraan MS - mannichchu vittudu :-)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.41)
on: Sun Aug 18 11:19:35 EDT 2002
yeah,teriyum... :-)
that's y I said,"shudn't it be CALLED Ri3...."
:-)
- From: Jeyaram (@ 203.197.134.126)
on: Sun Aug 18 13:20:36 EDT 2002
'Annan Oru Koil...", a typical MSV stamp song, looks closer to Pilu ? I see shades of Gowri Manohari also. Is there a relation? Any one can verify pl.
- From: jeyaram (@ 203.197.134.126)
on: Sun Aug 18 13:22:15 EDT 2002
What is the raga of the wonderful MSV song " Chandira Pirai Parthen Thozhi..." (Kizhakkum Merkum Santhikkinrana, sung by VJ)?
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Sun Aug 18 15:42:44 EDT 2002
MS,
I just loved 'Bhina Prem"....I think it is Mand in charanams...KJY-Kalakkings....looking fwd for more other lang. songs.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Sun Aug 18 16:15:13 EDT 2002
Vel,
a great MKT song "Soppanavaazhvil magizhnthen" is in Vijayanagarai...I was once pleasantly surprised during my visit to "Parthasarathy koil"...some unknown Nadaswara player was playing an excellent aalapanai in "Vijaya Nagari"(I did talk to him to make sure that my guess was correct) during precession(sorry for the dig.)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124)
on: Sun Aug 18 16:15:24 EDT 2002
Vel,
a great MKT song "Soppanavaazhvil magizhnthen" is in Vijayanagarai...I was once pleasantly surprised during my visit to "Parthasarathy koil"...some unknown Nadaswara player was playing an excellent aalapanai in "Vijaya Nagari"(I did talk to him to make sure that my guess was correct) during procession(sorry for the dig.)
- From: IR (@ 4.64.201.224)
on: Sun Aug 18 17:03:09 EDT 2002
Ram, yes it is a wonderful ragam and pretty easy to handle too. It has sancharas similar to that of Saraswathi and shades of dharmavathi. The raga is not as popular as the other ones and indeed avery pleasant raga!!! Vijayaambike Vimalaathmike is probably the only popular krithi is this raga - and I think (I am not very sure about this one) Muthiah Baghavathar came up with this raga - need to comfirm this...
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Mon Aug 19 03:26:34 EDT 2002
periyavanga ellaam thappu kaNdu pidikkareenga..sari.. irukkattum :-)
Ram - that song has maaNd in shades. Guys, u need to tell me if u want to dl the song, but face dl problems. I shall try to lower the file size and re-upload.
- From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7)
on: Mon Aug 19 03:29:25 EDT 2002
MS:
Where can I download the song you are talking about? You can send me an email.
- From: Saketh (@ 128.180.56.13)
on: Mon Aug 19 09:51:31 EDT 2002
Vel,Ram and IR,
i read somewhere (sangeetham.com?) that the song "thangatthil mugamedutthu sandhanatthil udal edhutthu" (MGR song, KJY kural?) is based on Vijayanagari. Have anyone heard this song?
- From: Rgpm Sundar (@ 202.9.148.125)
on: Mon Aug 19 09:53:01 EDT 2002
Sundar Atre,Sindhuja,Ram,Peter Pan,
Request you all to visit this site immediately: http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/08/03/stories/0903070b.htm
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.25)
on: Mon Aug 19 10:13:35 EDT 2002
Rgpm Sundar,yeah,sk had posted it some time back,right?:-)
'twas nice to read that.
BTW,yen keLvikku badilE kANume?:-(
- From: IR (@ 4.64.201.224)
on: Mon Aug 19 10:53:30 EDT 2002
SAketh - I am not sure about Vijanaagari feel in that song... to me it sounds more ShivaRanjani'sh.. yes there are several foreign notes ... but on the whole, the song seems to be shivaranjani based! IMHO
- From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.253.114)
on: Mon Aug 19 12:10:04 EDT 2002
Rgpm Sundar,
Thanks for the link.
Great work. 2 Questions:
1. Any possibility of a transcript for the program available?
2. Have you organized/planning to organize similar programs on G Ramanathan or CR SubbarAman?
IMO, both were amazing MDs who brought about a revolution in the TFM scene.
Thanks.
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