Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.15)
on: Tue Aug 13 10:11:44 EDT 2002
thalaivi konja nALA kANum...?
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.203)
on: Tue Aug 13 11:10:13 EDT 2002
that song seems to be a ragamalika... starts off with kAmbOdhi, second charaNam - miyan ki malhaar, third - kind of aabheri and kaanada (not very clear and too short to figure out) and the last stanza as Ram pointed out is in Sumanesa Ranjani.
Sindhu - got ur mail :-) do u have a YM or MSN id? :-) that may be easier ;-) sombal thaan :-)
- From: s0 (@ 128.119.85.50)
on: Tue Aug 13 12:44:51 EDT 2002
I posted this in the IR's new albums thread.
Is there a raga conection between Unnai Thedi Vennila from En Mana Vaanil and Naan Thanga Roja from Time, atleast the initial portions?
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Wed Aug 14 00:24:40 EDT 2002
Can anyone please List TFM songs in the foll. raagas
Bauli
Janjhuti
Sunada Vinodini
Malahari
Gamaka Samandam(multani)
Kannadagaula
Kamboji
Karnaranjani
Kedaragaula
Khamas
Kathanakuthuhalam
More queries will follow in future:)
cheers
- From: Rgpm Sundar (@ 61.11.79.163)
on: Wed Aug 14 02:54:19 EDT 2002
Sindhuja,
The discussion on Ravichandrika is triggered by Naan avanillai Radha kadhal varadha song?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.62)
on: Wed Aug 14 06:50:28 EDT 2002
No,to my knowledge,it started with the song "mandiram".
U may proceed with u'r complaints/corrections please.... ;-)
- From: R.S.Balaji (@ 202.58.164.145)
on: Wed Aug 14 14:58:41 EDT 2002
Satsona.....raja's kozikuuvum naerathila....(from vanna vanna pookal ) is based on bouli.
I dont think kathanakuthuhalam is a raagam that gives much scope for a composer to explore,....the structure itself is a bit too complex..does anyone know any film song in this ragam.As such i think vakra ragas are not used much in films when compared to simple straight forward panchaswara (pentatonic) ragas and melakartha ragas.
- From: R.S.Balaji (@ 202.58.164.145)
on: Wed Aug 14 15:03:36 EDT 2002
Sindhuja...can u please give me some info on this ragapravaham book that u have been refering to in your postings....what is this book all about..who wrote it?........thanks in advance.
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.72.67)
on: Wed Aug 14 15:42:06 EDT 2002
is Bouli different from Bhoopalam...the famous Annamacharya song "Thanthananaa" Bowliyaa bhoopaaLamaa?
- From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.250.3)
on: Wed Aug 14 16:11:50 EDT 2002
Ram,
Yes, BowLi and BhoopALam are different ragas.
Teh former is a janya of 'mAyA mALava GowLa' whereas teh latter is a janya of 'ThOdi'.
Yes, the Annamayya song 'Brahmam OkatE Para Brahmam Okate, TandanA nA..' is set to BowLi.
Another famous composition is 'ShambhO mahAdeva' popularized by Smt. M.S. Subbulakhmi.
BOWLI has
---------
ArohaNam:
S R1 G3 P D1 S
AvarOhaNam:
S N3 D1 P G3 R1 S
Whereas BhoopALam has
---------------------
ArohaNam:
S R1 G2 P D1 S
AvarOhaNam:
S D1 P G2 R1 S
- From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.250.3)
on: Wed Aug 14 16:14:30 EDT 2002
I forgot to highlight the Ga3 of BowLi. Both these notes are different in BhoopALam.
- From: sk (@ )
on: Wed Aug 14 19:16:32 EDT 2002
Yesterday's episode of Rudra Veena...
Raga: Mithra Ranjani (Janyam of Mararanjani (Melam 25))
Aro: s r2 g3 m1 p d1 p S, Avro: S n1 d1 p m1 g3 r2 s
Mood: Friendship feeling
A fellow and his wife see another couple (their
close friends) being attacked by dacoits at a
distance, but do not go for help for fear of
unnecessarily getting into trouble. Baba sees this,
plays Mithra Ranjani on his (Rudra) Veena. This
causes the fellow and his wife to get a great
"friendship feeling" which causes them to go and
help their friends in need and drive away the dacoits.
- From: MS (@ 129.252.25.241)
on: Wed Aug 14 19:49:37 EDT 2002
satsona:
The examples I give here may NOT necessariliy be in TFM and may not be fully in the respective ragas.
Bauli - sa ri ga ri ga pa dha pa - from shankarabaranam
Kamboji - premodharana(kamaladhalam-mallu),kaattile paazmuLam (mallu),
Kedaragaula - kELamma kEdhaaragowLaththile...nadakkumbodhu neLiya vENdaam by KVM and a beautiful number andholanam dholanam from sargam (mallu)
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.181)
on: Wed Aug 14 23:04:37 EDT 2002
Balaji,sorry it's not me who refers that book-even I dunno abt. it.It's sk who refers it.
- From: vel (@ 203.199.245.50)
on: Wed Aug 14 23:07:08 EDT 2002
Satsona,
Bowli - oru ponmaanai naan kaana (music TR)
Kedharagowla - Meghame Thoodhaagha Vaa - "Kannan Oru Kaikuzhandhai" (based on that...music IR)
Khamas - Uyirum neeye udalum neeye - pavithra (ARR)
Khamas - Ponnil Vanam - Villupaatukkaaran (IR)
Khamas - Pallaviye Charanam - Oruvar Vaazhum Aalayam (IR)
Khamas - Kootathile Kovil Pura - Idhaya Kovil (IR)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.161.110)
on: Wed Aug 14 23:59:18 EDT 2002
I think that book is by DK Pattamal
- From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6)
on: Thu Aug 15 01:42:15 EDT 2002
Balaji:
Ragapravaham: Index to Carantic Ragas
By Dr. M.N. Dhandapani and D. Pattammal
It has a list of Aro/Avro of 1000s of ragas.
Published By
The Karnatic Music Book Center
No. 14, Sripuram First Street
(Near Ajantha Hotel) Royapettah, Madras-14
- From: Rajesh (@ 167.202.196.71)
on: Thu Aug 15 03:26:42 EDT 2002
satsona,
some numbers i have heard. MS/IR/RS correct if wrong.
Kamboji
- Kalviya selvama veerama
- Arupadai veedu konda (both by KVM)
Kedaragaula
- The BGM 'Maanika veenaiyam' in the song Kuluvalile has some shades of this raagam, i feel.
Kathanakuthuhalam
- the 1st two lines of the charanam in KKKK song surely has the pattern of this raagam.
- From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156)
on: Thu Aug 15 03:40:16 EDT 2002
There is telugu film song with heavily inspired from "Raghuvamsa sudha" in kadanakuthuhalam(copy nu kooda sollalaam)
- From: R.S.B (@ 202.58.164.145)
on: Thu Aug 15 04:06:54 EDT 2002
sk....thanks for the info on the book....btw, is the book written in tamil or in english.
- From: sk (@ 137.132.3.6)
on: Thu Aug 15 05:18:09 EDT 2002
Balaji:
Both English and Tamil versions are available.
- From: sk (@ 137.132.3.6)
on: Thu Aug 15 05:19:06 EDT 2002
Rgpm Sundar:
Is it you in this article:
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/2001/08/03/stories/0903070b.htm
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Thu Aug 15 09:23:51 EDT 2002
sk, thanks for the periodic RudraVeena updates. Makes interesting rading. Is there discussion in the media about how much is fact and how much is fable?
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54)
on: Thu Aug 15 09:24:01 EDT 2002
sk, thanks for the periodic RudraVeena updates. Makes interesting rading. Is there discussion in the media about how much is fact and how much is fable?
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.122)
on: Thu Aug 15 09:42:31 EDT 2002
hehe,Sundar,no,nothing like that....I feel this prog. is pretty insignificant-not as popular as the other mundane "mega-thodar"s.Carnatic music-kku ivLO importance kudukkarade perusu!IMO.
Atleast yenakku terinja varaikkum there's no talk abt. this prog.(of course other than at ROS :))
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.216)
on: Thu Aug 15 12:35:03 EDT 2002
I think it is the #1 TV program on ROS ... at least until RS takes his show onto Z-TV :)
- From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.216)
on: Thu Aug 15 12:35:47 EDT 2002
Sindhu, were you able to geta hold of Sruti magazine about the KC article? Thanks.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.112)
on: Thu Aug 15 21:34:18 EDT 2002
Sundar,have sent u a mail.
- From: satsona (@ 203.199.192.162)
on: Fri Aug 16 01:04:56 EDT 2002
hi all
thanx a lot for the info. have to listen to some of these songs to get the feel of the raaga.
u can expect many more questions like this in future:-)
cheers
- From: sk (@ 137.132.3.7)
on: Fri Aug 16 06:33:57 EDT 2002
http://www.ecse.rpi.edu/Homepages/shivkuma/personal/music/index.html
- From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.251.29)
on: Fri Aug 16 11:46:18 EDT 2002
Sk,
Thanks a lot for the link.
Excellent compilation, with useful notations and audio files!
Also, impressive resume :)
- From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.88)
on: Fri Aug 16 14:55:55 EDT 2002
Vel
>>>>>>Khamas - Ponnil Vanam - Villupaatukkaaran (IR)
Khamas - Kootathile Kovil Pura - Idhaya Kovil (IR)<<<<<<<
These two songs are not in Khamas but in Karnadaga khamas which is a totally different ragam
- From: Rgpm Sundar (@ 61.11.78.44)
on: Sat Aug 17 00:44:53 EDT 2002
Dear Sk,
It was only my prog. review. Thanx for bringing it here.
Vel,
Ponnil vanam, Pallaviye charanam I heard are based on Nattakurinji. Koottathula koil pura is nothing but Sriranjani blend. So are Ponnana meni(meendum kokila),vedhalam vandhirukkuthu(soorasamharam),mazhai varudhu2(Raja kaiyai vacha),Kalyanraman cuckooraman(karayellam shenbagapoo) all IR Sriranjani based.
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.175)
on: Sat Aug 17 03:28:31 EDT 2002
Rgpm Sundar,But doesn't kootathile koil pura very strikingly start off with Pa?How can it be called SriRanjani then?Also,it doesn't seem to show Ri very prominently(except in 1 line in the charaNams,which seems to be accidental)...Isn't it in karnataka khamas?
courtesy-IR,Ram :-) )
Can u pl. clarify?
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