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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: KP (@ 68.69.212.93) on: Tue Feb 10 19:06:16 EST 2004
  
  wheatish
  
  Fear has been the source of inspirations to couple of hindi films('aetbaar' being the recent one)but to me its similarity with KK ends with the obsession.
  Whereas the german film comes very close..right from the abusive past to the nerd turning into a terror.
  
  Tariq ..vayatherichal?:))
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Feb 10 22:25:01 EST 2004
  
  Tariq:
  
  The issue is that if such an act is found in any other profession, the person who'd have been in a serious soup. Just because these guys are in the creative field, they think they can get away with murder. Can you get away with copying your neighbors answers in the exam? So how can you expect Selvaraghavan-Dhanush-YSR to get away with such degrees of plagiarism? And they get paid obscene amounts of money for this!
  
  Its unfortunate that we dont think such acts are wrong anymore, since they've been committed by the best and that too for ages. The funny thing is the fact that we admire these people despite knowing the truth...they make money - lots of it - out of something not their own. Yes Kamal Hassan lifted Mrs Doubtfire...and he should've acknowledged the source openly and paid royalty to the original script's owner...and since he didnt do that, it makes him no better than Selvaraghavan.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.215.28) on: Tue Feb 10 22:34:06 EST 2004
  
  KS, Mrs.Doubtfire is just one amongst many :-)
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Feb 11 04:17:51 EST 2004
  
  Oh I know...almost all his recent films including Panchathanthiram, Magalir Mattum everything...has a Western source! And the fact is that he has adapted most of them very well...I mean the level of nativity is very high to the extent that only the basic story thread is lifted.
  
  Thats not quite the case in KK where specific scenes and mannerisms were lifted...and boy thats a serious lack of imagination!
  
  
• From: Tariq (@ 213.199.33.20) on: Wed Feb 11 06:21:09 EST 2004
  
  A simple fact to point out here. How does any of the blame fall on YSR for this? Did we blame Deva whe Kamal copied Mrs Doubtfire?
  
  Check the logic my friends
  
  
• From: prism (@ 210.214.128.92) on: Wed Feb 11 06:31:33 EST 2004
  
  Yuvan has copied so many songs, he comes from a musical family so we expect him to be origanal.
  in deva's case he's our version of anumalik.
  Even in PSaravanan a song highly reminds of its a beautiful life and where do you go?
  i dont know why nobody wants Kartik raja to score.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Feb 11 06:39:20 EST 2004
  
  Tariq:
  
  'Check the logic'? Eh?? What kind of twisted logic are you talking of?
  
  We're blaming both Selvaraghavan (for copying a German film's theme/ scenes etc) for KK and YSR for copying 3 songs in the same movie. Check the YSR section in www.iespana.es/i2fs/ for further details. If you are not aware of these 3 lifts - sorry dude, you're late!
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.241) on: Wed Feb 11 09:03:09 EST 2004
  
  Yuvan is spoiled by ARR trend so he is forced to copy.
  He is the son of a genius, he has all the potential but directors are not letting him to do what he likes.
  If we dont encourage ARR then this trend will change and we can see IIR in demand.
  
  
• From: curious (@ 67.126.114.94) on: Wed Feb 11 11:03:51 EST 2004
  
  Karthik S,
  
  Can you check this out? the following songs are very similar.
  
  Dukhi Man Mere - Funtoosh - SD Burman - 1956
  http://www.raaga.com/channels/hindi/movie/H000228.html
  
  Otrumaiyai Vaazhavathaale - Bagappirivinai - VR - 1959
  http://www.musicindiaonline.com/music/l/WW00010B
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.2.224.121) on: Wed Feb 11 12:22:40 EST 2004
  
  rajasaranam,
  "Yuvan is spoiled by ARR trend so he is forced to copy."
  nalla kadhaiya irukkae!!
  Vaanam pozhuvadhukku kaaranam ARR, boomi vilaivathukku kaaranam ARR, neenga vayalukku poi naathu nattadhukku kaaranam ARR...mannangettavanae! :-)
  
  NOM! ... JFF!!
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.54) on: Wed Feb 11 12:53:24 EST 2004
  
  C~P,
  solluradhaellaam solliputtu adhu aenna NOM.
  
  JFF ;-)
  
  
• From: KP (@ 68.69.212.93) on: Wed Feb 11 18:43:29 EST 2004
  
  >Thats not quite the case in KK where specific >scenes and mannerisms were lifted...and boy >thats a serious lack of imagination!
  
  The only creativity Of SR in KK was in adding the vulgar scenes and sizzling songs. The original was devoid of all these stuff(dream scenengra perle namma oor aatkaL pandra anyayam:))
  Did you guys read SRs interview in latest AV? He has boasted of receiving pages of letter from veterans like KB,BM and BR for KK :))
  
  
• From: f (@ 130.65.109.101) on: Wed Feb 11 19:42:57 EST 2004
  
  not worth. when all these IT professionals cookup CVs and cheat American companies why not film people
  
  
• From: Tariq (@ 213.199.33.20) on: Thu Feb 12 03:14:10 EST 2004
  
  Karthik S, you seem to think you are some sort of authority because you have a website which lists all the copies. The simple fact is that YSR has probably got the least amount of copies than any md, so what is he happened to do 3 such songs in one movie. I still stand by that YSR did not copy Nenjodu Kalandhidu as the tune of the song is different.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.3.62) on: Thu Feb 12 03:24:10 EST 2004
  
  f,
  
  lolssss....that was the most original post.
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 213.42.2.20) on: Thu Feb 12 07:33:48 EST 2004
  
  Tariq,
  Look at Anand Milind's section on Karthik's site. He has not listed any of teh dozen IR songs he has copied. Don't regular visitors to his site want to listen to the songs? He just 'melottama' mentions that Anand Milind have copied many IR songs. Why not list them then? In which case why list the others in the first place? He might as well mention under every MD that this MD has copied many songs and leave it at that!!! Why is this bias?
  
  
• From: Kannan (@ 213.42.2.20) on: Thu Feb 12 07:34:06 EST 2004
  
  
  Look at Anand Milind's section on Karthik's site. He has not listed any of teh dozen IR songs he has copied. Don't regular visitors to his site want to listen to the songs? He just 'melottama' mentions that Anand Milind have copied many IR songs. Why not list them then? In which case why list the others in the first place? He might as well mention under every MD that this MD has copied many songs and leave it at that!!! Why is this bias?
  
  
• From: Tariq (@ 213.199.33.20) on: Thu Feb 12 08:51:39 EST 2004
  
  Kanna I agree with you.Anybody can say that something is copied but list each iten specifically and then we cna all listen and decide whether to agree on it.
  It's all just a BS group of people who are here to find errors in others work. Let anybody go and do better music and then talk.
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.64.74) on: Thu Feb 12 08:58:23 EST 2004
  
  Dig:
  RS, only about 30-40% of IT guys do that :)
  End Dig!
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.1.109) on: Thu Feb 12 09:11:05 EST 2004
  
  *,
  
  ennappa nee thannilai vilakam ellam kuduthuttu iruka? JFF.. enakku therinja [sumaar 15-20 paer irupaanga] ellorumae cooked up CV's thaan use panraanga.
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.1.200.176) on: Thu Feb 12 09:19:36 EST 2004
  
  indha field-la enakku therinjavanga Prabhu,LLD,Kupps,MIL,Maverick,Ferrari,Paran and interpreter. Any comments?! ;-)
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.1.200.176) on: Thu Feb 12 09:21:04 EST 2004
  
  Kupps,
  mission failed! ... adhu rajasaranam illai...Thiru aka srinivas!
  haha...ennadhaan irundhaalum neenga OISG-a paththi sonna alavukku naan edhuvum sollidaley!!
  
  JFF! ;-)
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.54) on: Thu Feb 12 10:47:19 EST 2004
  
  ippidi thaan Aedhaavadhu poi, ki solli OISG kitta aenakku Odha vaangi thara. Jaakradha adhae gadhi unakkum naeralaam :)
  
  do you think its JFF? well it may be it may be not ;-)
  
  
• From: anba (@ 219.95.241.224) on: Thu Feb 12 10:47:30 EST 2004
  
  AR RAHMAN is the king....don u all ever compare him with others....plzzz he's god of music
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 199.180.6.54) on: Thu Feb 12 10:48:29 EST 2004
  
  do u want all of us to compare or not?
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.2.224.253) on: Thu Feb 12 11:57:48 EST 2004
  
  Kupps,
  OISG nallavaru, vallavaru...avarukku theriyum yaar enna solraangannu...avar ungala mutta vandha naan vaenumna pazhagina dhoshathukkaga Rajni style-la skating senju ungalai kaapaatharaen!
  
  no second thoughts...I am serious! :-)
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 24.11.160.10) on: Thu Feb 12 12:44:44 EST 2004
  
  Karthik S ,
  In response to Kannan's post, obviously he has missed out the fine print on your site which tells that you post only those lifts from sources other than Indian.
  But there are also aberrations to your fineprint. You have listed a YSR lift from IR, Nadeem-Shravan's lift from Rajan-Nagendra, which are Indian to Indian lift. So maybe these should not be there on the site. And obviously people have not read the small note about Anand-Milind's inspirations and why they are not listed
  
  
  
  Note Man
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.246.38) on: Thu Feb 12 12:47:39 EST 2004
  
  hello friends...
  
  To Tariq : One should definitely commend Mr. Karthik for his ear to listen to music from all over the globe and thank him for bringing a lot of information to light. The best part is...apart from just posting the original and the copied in his site, i2fs makes comments on what kind of lift it is, distinguishing a lift from inspiration, providing articles on the original composer, etc. It takes a lot of time and effort to do all that. So please dont say " dont think you're an authority", etc....to some extent he is, considering the amount of music he listens to. Its your view/opnion to find YSR great and if you dont find the song from KK copied...fine..its your view. No probs.
  
  To C~P : Please post your message in English, for the simple reason, its easier to read fast. This doesnt mean, I lack Tamizh pattru, but since the script is in English, I feel I and many others would find it easier to read through quickly.
  
  
  Just my two cents.
  
  

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