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Topic started by pg (@ igw2.merck.com) on Fri Sep 5 10:20:22 EDT 1997.
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From: Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on: Sat Jun 20 15:07:33 EDT 1998

Pudhukavithai was invented to invigorate the language itself. This way the word gets held in relief on its own to stand for more than its common use. There are many great exponents of this form...Abdhul Rehman, Mu.Metha, and VM too to an extent. But coining new expressions is one thing and making them palatable is another.

Here is a pudhukavithai sample of VM from TFM that I found unsavory:
Puraa rendu vaanam sendru
megam engum maeyuthae
nila koodu thannil thonguthae

vaanam engum vaira pookkal
vennilaavai moikkum eekkal
From: Bhaskar (@ spider-td024.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 16:18:13 EDT 1998

Udhaya:

EngaeyO poitteenga! Unga andha first paragraph-aa
purinjukka naan atleast 20 times padichaen!
Konnuteenga! Idhula naan dictionary paarkka
vaendiya vaarthaigal :
Invigorate, Palatable, Unsavory :-)))

Enna GRE padichuttu USA-ukku vandheengala ?

Konjam, paamara makkalukku puriyumbadi sollunga!

Approm unga pudhukavidhai-yai padichuttu susthayittaen!

Nilavu oru peNNaagi ulavugindra azhagO!
Neer alaigal idam maari neendhugindra kuzhalO!

(Udhaya, Indha kavidhai andha range-ukku varumaa ?)
From: Kanchana (@ spider-ti013.proxy.aol.com) on: Sat Jun 20 22:33:06 EDT 1998

Some recent stuff from VM that I like (forgive me, everyone!):

Check out the vivid imagery evoked by these lines:
vaNNaththup poochi udambil
OviyangaL adhisayam

Or, the subdued intensity in these lines:
udalukkuL engE uyiruLLadhenbadhum
uyirukkuL kAdhal enguLLadhenbadhum

Or, the imagination in these lines:
alai nuraiyai aLLi avaL Adai neyyalAgAdhA
viNmeengaLaik kiLLi adhil otti vaikkalAgAdhA
From: Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on: Sun Jun 21 14:53:12 EDT 1998

Bhaskar, enna samy gnyaayama ithu? Ippidi poattu vaarureenga manushana. En thozhilae Englishthaan samy, I'm a Technical Writer. Romba padam kaamikkira maathiri irundhaa manniyungal ennai. Ungalai dictionary puratta vaikkum ennamae illai. Thaevayillaama endha vaarthaiyum use pannuvathu endha mozhiyilumae pidikkathu enakku. Adhu polavae, solla varum karutthai mudindha alavu thulliyamaaga solla vendum enbathum en viruppam. Inimae paarthu ezhuthuraen.
"Nilavu oru pennaagi" is a great song by Vaali and shouldn't be compared to the song I mentioned.
Kanchana, no need to apologize for liking VM. I like a lot of his stuff, I just wish he worked harder and strived for higher things more often.
From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Sun Jun 21 14:53:45 EDT 1998

Oops! andha Columbus Columbus pattula kooda
indha alavukku VM imagine panni ezhudhi
irukkarO!?

Kanchana, I suggest you don't see the Movie!

udalukkuL engE uyiruLLadhenbadhum
uyirukkuL kAdhal enguLLadhenbadhum

Udalukkul uyir engae ulladhu endru kooda kandu
piduchudalaam, but andha uyir kulla kAdhal engae
irukunnu dhaan kandae pidikka mudiyaadhu! Adhu
dhaan romba adhisayam! :-))))
From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Sun Jun 21 15:14:30 EDT 1998

Udhaya:

No problems, neenga appdi sonnathaan naagalum
naalu pudhu English vaarthai kathukuttu inga
enga pasangakitta konjam English alli veesalaam!

Adhukunnu neenga unga vocabulary-aa limit
pannikkadheenga! TFMDF is more a learning
experience than just having plain fun ....

Approm, Nilavu oru peNaagi I was not trying
to compare the standards of the Lyrics, but I
was trying to say that the comparisions made in
respective Pudhukavidhai and this song seems to be
similar.

I mean Puraa vanathula medhakuradhu, Nila kootula iruppadhu and

Nila peN-aa ulavuradhum, Neer alai kuzhala maaruradhum

is kind of similar in "Enna solradhunnae puriyala"
orE payathiyakarathanamaa irukkunnu thonudhu! :-))

Uyirukulla KAdhal irundha edhu eppdi vaenaa
maaralaam kandukkakoodhunnu ninaikkuraen!

Enna solreenga Udhaya ?
From: Kanchana (@ spider-tk034.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Jun 21 17:02:39 EDT 1998

Bhaskar:
enakkum Columbus pAttukkuLLE andha varigaLirundhadhai paarthu ungaLai aachariyamthaan.

udalukkuL engE uyiruLLadhenbadhum
"Columbus"-um kavidhai koNduLLadhenbadhum
ninaiththAl ninaiththAl adhisayamE :-)

Udhaya:
I share your views on VM. After reading an assortment of prose and poetry by him, I feel he can be offering more in terms of thoughts and kaviththuvam to us thru TFM. All we see in TFM are annoyingly few, fleeting glimpses of his creative potential.
From: RV (@ 1cust40.tnt2.sfo2.da.uu.net) on: Sun Jun 21 22:25:43 EDT 1998

Saivar Mayilu vandha sakthi innu ennadhe appadinnu oru line varum.

Saivar Mayilu endral enna ?

Pattu: Pakkadhe Pakkadhe Panjangatthai Pakkadhe.
From: jumbo (@ horus.erlm.siemens.de) on: Mon Jun 22 08:03:21 EDT 1998

Udhaya, Kanchana:

Given the specs & schedules wht I write for my client is a piece of code which just fulfils his requirement. Similarly, a kavingar will loose his enthu over the time due to various constraints put before signing for a movie. So, there is no point in expecting some standards/quality. Once a while a kavingar will try to prove his skill & knowledge, just to keep himself in the market demand. Thats it.
From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jun 22 13:48:28 EDT 1998

Jumbo, that's a good point, regrettably so. RV, it is not Saiva Mayilu but "Salvaar" mayilu, as in, Salvaar Kamis poattu vandha mayilu.
From: Bhaskar (@ spider-ta063.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jun 22 18:41:44 EDT 1998

Udhaya:

kOla Mayil, Vanna Mayil, Azhagu Mayil ellam
kaelvi pattu irukkaen, Life-la Salvaar Mayil
Kaelvi pattadhae illa ....

Mayilu Salwaar Kameez pottu vandhaa eppadi irukkum ? :-)))))

I am unable to imagine :-))))

AppO, Mayil-nna enna artham ? Vairamuthu Usage-aa :-))))
From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jun 22 19:21:35 EDT 1998

Yen naina, nilavae penna neendharoppa namma mayilu oru salwar maattinnu vandhu minukkuna unakku aen novudhu, ippdi?
Velinaatla, naaikuttikku sattai podasolla
namma voottaanda geera mayilu thogaiyai maruchukunaangaattiyum
salwar maattikka koodaatha naina?
baddaa baejaar panriyaemma nee, uh haah.
From: Kanchana (@ spider-ta083.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jun 22 19:29:10 EDT 1998

Udhaya:
neenga solra salwar "maatikkara" mayil vagaikku iyaRkayiyaagavae thOgai kidayaadhu. Just a gentle reminder :-)
From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jun 22 20:03:58 EDT 1998

Kanchana,
zoologyellam veesi nammalakavukkrathu thanae vaanaandradhu,meyyaaluma, ayya theriyamapoodichae enku. Ithanai naala naan aambalai mayil danceaiyaa rasichukinu irundhaen? Rombathaan susthaiyittaen poanga.
From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jun 22 20:16:26 EDT 1998

When this song came out, the following struck me as a unique analogy by Kuruvikkarambai Shanmugam:
kannukkul kaaval thurai
kaidhaakkum aayul varai
From: Bhaskar (@ spider-tj084.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Jun 22 21:33:00 EDT 1998

Udhaya:

Neengalum sushthayiteengala :-)))))

Konjam irunga thanni eduthukuttu varaen! :-)))

Is it kaidhakkum or Kaidhiyaakkum in your song ??
From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Jun 22 21:43:10 EDT 1998

Bhaskar,
Thannithotti thaedivantha kannukkutti naan.
Nichayama "Kaithaakkum" not "Kaidhiyaakum" or "Kaidhaiyaakkum".
Kanchana, how come poets always compare the thogai mayil to women, then?
maadhavip pon mayilaal thoagai viriththaal vanna maiyitta kan malarndhu thoodhu viduththaal
From: Kanchana (@ spider-tj072.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 00:31:09 EDT 1998

Udhaya, no better classic analogy to capture the beauty and grace but a thOgai mayil, and therefore, falls under poetic license?

Some more unusual lines:
kaNgaL iraNdil kaNai thoduththAL
karunAgam enap pinnalittAL
kuRunagai ennum visham koduththAL
uyir koNdu vittAL, ennai vendRu vittAL

punnagaich chiRaiyil pOttu vittAr
ennaip pootti vittAr, nenjai vAtti vittAr
From: Bhaskar (@ spider-ta023.proxy.aol.com) on: Tue Jun 23 00:43:13 EDT 1998

Udhaya:

Kaidhakkum endraal enna meaning ? Enakku puriyala ?
I am very very very weak in Tamizh, naan Tamizh
padichadhae illa since I was born and brought up,
in Bangalore, I learnt myself!

My Guess is Kaidhakkum means Arrest!
But Kaidhiyakkum means "Make a prisoner" endraa ?
From: Udhaya (@ host16.globalcenter.net) on: Tue Jun 23 00:53:23 EDT 1998

Bhaskar, are you serious?
You had me totally fooled that you were a native speaker. Bravo! I have so much respect for you.
You guessed right on Kaidhaakkum, it means arrest and Kaidhiyaakkum means make a prisoner.
Kaidhaiyaakkum means make a donkey(in Madras thamizh).
From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Tue Jun 23 11:17:09 EDT 1998

Udhaya MAmaE,

Yes, I was serious! Thanks for the clarification!
I know Madras Tamizh to the Core :-))))

I got the meaning of your
Kaidhaiaakkum dubakoor! before itself! :-)))

I was wondering about the other two!
From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Tue Jun 23 15:42:20 EDT 1998

I was listening to this VM tune I think, can't be sure anymore, which had some new words whose true meaning and context are new to me. The song is "Adada Ithuthaan Sugamo" from "Thudikkum Karangal".
Neeloarpanam kangalil jaadai kaattum
Naan thottathum kunguman saayam theettum

What is Neeloarpanam?
Also, in the same song:
viralgalum viralgalum urasidum pozhuthu
kaadhal theeyin jwaalaigal

Jwaalaigal, is that the term for roaring flames? Is it a thamizh word?
From: Bhaskar (@ freeway.proxy.lucent.com) on: Tue Jun 23 16:03:06 EDT 1998

Udhaya:

Just a wild guess ...
Might be "Blue Waves" of the sea....

Jwaalaigal might mean magical ....

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