Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.
I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)
"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."
Wow! Beautiful voice!
VaniJairam.com - A site that has lots of info and songs of VJ.
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- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Fri Jan 30 13:54:56 EST 2004
Saravanan -
A touching memory, and a poignant sentiment. A hymn to tower above all hymns.
Alas, let down by a faulty link.
(Lakshmi Shankar has a sincere rendition of the same hymn in the film Gandhi.)
- From: * (@ 161.114.64.74)
on: Fri Jan 30 14:08:51 EST 2004
any alternate link to listen to?
Extracts from Freedom At Midnight available here:
http://www.itihaas.com/modern/gandhi-lastdays2.html
Transcript of Nehru's famous speech that fatal day:
http://www.geocities.com/a_habib/India/nehru2.html
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.164)
on: Fri Jan 30 14:19:47 EST 2004
I can listen to the song when I click on that link :(
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.165)
on: Fri Jan 30 14:29:17 EST 2004
Please try now:
http://in.f2.pg.briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/sarva1511/vwp2?.tok=bclLr5SBFIPYe6uk&.dir=/&.dnm=martyrsday.mp3&.src=bc
- From: Saravanan (@ 195.229.241.166)
on: Fri Jan 30 14:33:17 EST 2004
Prabhu, thanks for the timely help :)
- From: GS (@ 216.123.207.130)
on: Fri Jan 30 14:45:54 EST 2004
Saravanan
Thanx for the song and the link works now.
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Fri Jan 30 16:45:19 EST 2004
Saravanan -
Yes, the link works now! Thanks for this rarity. More please! :-)
- From: Neel D (@ 24.99.73.73)
on: Sat Jan 31 14:30:18 EST 2004
Saravanan,
I have never heard VJ's version of "vaishnava janatho" before. Thanks so much for digging it out. You should start a project of bringing out all those hidden treasure from the 70s. I know it is too much to ask. But keep it in the back of your mind.
By the way, when is the next part of Chronology coming?
- From: Neel D (@ 24.99.73.73)
on: Sun Feb 1 10:36:32 EST 2004
In part-5 of Shankar-Ganesh series Vaamanan covers Vani's songs for the duo. A beautifully written article.
http://www.cinemaexpress.com/achivers/
- From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250)
on: Sun Feb 1 15:40:30 EST 2004
Saravanan
Thanks for the wonderful recording of Vaishnava janatho by VJ - didn't know it existed! I was so glad that this was more or less like an unplugged version except for the little flute interlude. Vani's voice sounds magnificent in this rendition - crystal clear! The song flows very smoothly between the charanams and the pallavi. This would one of the songs I would love to play right before going to sleep.
One point though - she splits the word kahiyejae as kahiye and jae - is this right? All the versions I've heard thus far have it pronounced as one word. Just a doubt.
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Mon Feb 2 10:56:38 EST 2004
Neel D -
I was unable to read the article. The font thing all over again (what gives??)
Could you translate or give us the highlights of the piece? Thanks in advance!
Kaumudi -
I am inclined to believe the the "Je" break is compositional. In poetic terms, the meaning is unaltered by the break, as "Je" can open as a new line.
Here's my translated break of that line:
Vaishnava, the godnamed human is
"One who" feels another's pain...
It is creative licence without compromising poetic/philosophic essence.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.21)
on: Mon Feb 2 11:32:10 EST 2004
Hi all! Was away on a brief vacation. Glad that you could access that link finally :)
NeelD/ Naaz- Yours truly had a minor part to play in the C.E. series- I have been assisting Mr.Vamanan in a small way in his ongoing articles on S-G, and as part of it, had sent to him a list of VJ's songs under S-G :)
Naaz, though I too have never been able to read CE online- I guess this chapter would have probably covered the best of the VJ-S-G collaborations, from the beginning with 'Oridam unnidam', tracing their memorable moments together- hope 'en ullam azhagana vellithirai', 'aalamarathukkili', 'machane acharam podu','padamedukkira paambappola', 'iraivan irandu bommaigal', 'thayakki vecha en thangame', maanthoppu kiliye songs, 'megame megame', 'muthu muthu therottam', 'yaaradhu sollamal nenajalli', 'ungal paadhathil', and songs from the Visu films have all found mention.
Neel, please give a summary, if possible. I am also eager to know what he says about VJ!
- From: Neel D (@ 24.99.73.73)
on: Mon Feb 2 21:48:31 EST 2004
Naaz/Saravanan,
Here is a part of the article translated to English. It is more than half of the article. I will translate the rest tomorrow. Pardon all errors.
Vani Jairam, a singer with a great voice, clarity and versatility, was like a fragrance of jasmine in TFM. We were still filled with the fragrance of her voice, but she was left with absolutely no offers in tamil cinema due to the blinded vision of the industry. An injustice that serious film directors and music directors should put an end to.
Sweetness, tamilness and expressiveness of VJ were first brought to TFM by Shankar-Ganesh. It was only after that offers poured from MSV and VB.
VJ's first song was a duet with TMS for the movie Veettukku Vandha Marumagal. Lyrics by Kannadasan. It is a simple love song. "Oridam unnidam" is a unique composition in which the words are sometimes abruptly ended, or elongated or sung in a fast pace. Vani sings some sensuous lines and TMS some romantic lines. Though her first song was rather erotic, in "en uLLam azagAna veLLiththirai", VJ and S-G together capture the beauty of youth and the passion of love. A fullmoon sky with thousands of bright stars opens in front of your eyes when you listen to Vani sing this song. The song expresses the heroine's love for cinema, but it is we who end up in love, with the song.
The voice that expressed love, so easily expresses motherhood in the film "Rowdy Rakkamma". In KSG's fine imagination, the
expression of motherly love by a woman without children. In colloquial lyrics, with the accompaniment of sitar, flute and shehnai,
breathing the creativity of S-G, travels Vani's versatile voice.
There is another song that expresses the softness of affection. "ammA unRan kaivaLaiyAi" written by Bharathidasan, composed by MBS for the movie "Nijangal". Sung again by VJ. Inspired by this song, S-G composed "unggaL pAdhaththil", written by Vairamuthu for the movie "Kalyaana Kaalam". A mild sadness of longing is present all through the song.
"yAradhu sollAmal" from "Nenjamellaam Neeye" is a song woven in silk that also expresses the same kind of feeling. The song is too tender to even touch.
S-G also composed another such light song "thumbaippU mugaththil" for the movie "Veli thaandiya vellaadu". Song was written by M.A.Khaja. In the early 80s Khaja directed several movies with S-G's music. In "Maanthoppuk kiliye" Vani and Chorus sang the hit song "veLLikkizamai vidikAlai".
Kalaignar wrote a song in "Nenjukku Neethi", sung by TMS, composed in a scale that made one wonder if it was TMS or KBS that was singing. In the same movie S-G composed a light melodic love song sung by TMS and VJ. "chOzanin magaLE vA" in the sweet voice of TMS. (This is hard to translate). Like the mellow waves created by the southern breeze in a lotus pond, in sweet nectary voice of the cuckoos in the orchard, Vani exhilarates with her "kuLir nIr ilAdhu mInum illaiyE". A lovely song in those musical voices!
In a folk style composition, in thisra gathi, like a bright streak of lightning, VJ breaks into "Alamaraththuk kiLi". The song is a country breeze.
With her expressive eyes and strong personality, Saritha plays a Harijan IAS officer Arukkaani in the movie "Aaniver". Her lover Raman is in jail convicted of murder. She sings in love and longing, "muthu muthu thErOttam". The violin and guitar in the prelude, flute in between the pallavi, the violin and the flute in the interludes - a garland of instruments. But when Vani sings the lines there is just a vamping of the guitar that keeps her company. The confidence that S-G had in their composition, the confidence they had in Vani's expressiveness, the importance given to those song lines that flow so smoothly, are to be noted.
- From: Saravanan (@ 213.42.2.20)
on: Mon Feb 2 23:52:22 EST 2004
Neel, thanks a lot! Waiting for the rest too :)
- From: Naaz (@ 24.87.30.219)
on: Tue Feb 3 09:29:33 EST 2004
Neel D -
Thank you for that fine translation of the Vaamanan piece. I was not able to read the original in tamizh at the website. But now there's no lament lament; the reading in english was a rapture.
En Ullam is a song that is out and out erotic, lyrically.(What say, Saravanan?) The composition might fall under "facsimile" from that time period. The cadences in arrangement were typical, almost chaste (in a film-music "purist" sense.) I'll write more in detail about this song in the next little while.
Chozhanin Magale Va, I don't beleive I've heard. Or I don't recall the tune. Neel's translation makes one want to listen to it. File? :-)
The article (so far) is also a tribute to the originality and versatility of SG. Given critical short-shrift, and still having the last laugh. The list above should also tell us how loud that might be.
Nandri Neel, Saravanan, Vaamanan!
- From: Neel D (@ 24.99.73.73)
on: Wed Feb 4 21:14:43 EST 2004
Here is the rest of the article.
Arthi and Arumugam, both hearing and speech impaired, fall in love, marry and have a child. A song speaks their heart as they cannot speak themselves. "iRaivan iraNdu bommaigaL seithAn thAn viLaiyAda", Kannadasan writes the song like a Ciththar, about the world and its continuing cycles of birth and death. The movie "Uyarndhavargal", a remake of Gulzar's Hindi movie was not a hit, but the song by S-G in the voices of VJ and KJY is a hit song forever.
Among hundreds of songs VJ sang for S-G "mEgamE mEgamE" is unforgettable. Each of the five young men who hang out at the street corner have a sad tale to tell about himself. Geetha, who suffers from a serious heart condition, moves into a house on the street and enters the lives of those five men like the Spring and also leaves just as fast. Robert-Rajasekar's "Paalaivanachcholai" was a huge hit. Vairamuthu's song became the perfect eulogy for Geetha.
S-G said in an interview that they were listening to a Ghazal along with Robert-Rajasker. R-R wanted to use the same tune for the song. S-G said that they can compose a similar tune, but R-R insisted that they want to use the exact same tune. The tune adopted by R-R for the climax of their movie, was excellently arranged by S-G in VJ's voice. Excellent are Vairamuthu's lines written with total involvement, though not structured exactly like a Ghazal.
Many great MD's have tried and failed to compose Ghazals in Tamil. But one can say that there has been only one successful Ghazal in Tamil till date and it is "mEgamE mEgamE".
Not only did S-G introduce a great singer to TFM but continued to offer her great songs too.
--- End of translation.
From here on, the article goes into the songs sung by singers who made a comeback in S-G's music direction after several years of absence in TFM. A.M.Raja, PBS, Radha-Jayalakshmi, C.S.Jayaraman, S.C.Krishnan and Madurai Somu. Then it goes into songs by Manorama and the introduction of T.K.S.Natarajan.
Saravanan, Visu songs are missing in this issue. May be we will see them in the next issue.
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