Raga of song please
Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.
The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.
1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3 G1 G2 N1 N2
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- From: vijay (@ 67.162.124.29)
on: Sun Jan 6 15:54:42 EST 2002
IR, if you have heard "saarasamukhi" and "innarul tharum" from Aathma(sung by TNS, music by Raaja), I would like to know your opinion on their similiarity atleast for the initial notes. For certain there is a sandham/metre match and if I recall right the notes are also quite similiar. I am trying to listen to both songs again somewhere on net. but this is a clear case of inspiration :-)
- From: RR (@ 192.122.134.249)
on: Sun Jan 6 21:55:40 EST 2002
sindhuja - it's from thaai moogaambikai. MD: IR
- From: harish (@ 210.186.220.145)
on: Mon Jan 7 05:55:01 EST 2002
whats the different between Kanada and Kannada ragas
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Mon Jan 7 06:51:31 EST 2002
IR
Nee Thaan en desiya geetham sounds more yaman Kalyani and Vaasanthi to me ...is it right ???
charanam sound more like yaman kalyani....
Please clarify....
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.203)
on: Mon Jan 7 11:17:51 EST 2002
Sindhuja - Paras is an off shoot of MayamaLava GowLai - beautiful raga indeed - with plenty of javaLis and thillanas and ofcourse the popular Muthuswamy Dikshitar's Navagraha krithi on Shukra bhagavan is set in this raga. Notes: Sa Ga3 Ma1 Pa Dha1 Ni3 Sa - Sa Ni3 dha1 pa Ma1 Ga3 Ri1 Sa (MMG sans Ri1 in aaro).
Vijay :-) you are right - there is a similarity in both sandham and tune - but the song is set in Sudhdha Saveri. The interludes are clear SS notes... I do agree - TNS does touch Ni3 note giving an impression that it is Gowda malhaar. I would say that "In na RuL" was meant to be "Sa Sa Dha" notes ... TNS does glide through the Ni3 note! He is a genius and may have his own interpretation!!!! (hehehe - am a hard core TNS fan :-)) Also, try listening to "KaalaharaNa Melara Hare" In Sudhdha Saaveri... that would also sound similar :-) Inspiration??!! :-)
Harish - Kannada and Kaanada are totally different scales/raga feel...
Kannada: ShankarabharaNam Janyam - Sa Ri2 Ga3 Ma1 Pa Ma1 Dha2 Ni3 Sa - Sa Ni3 Sa Dha2 Pa Ma1 Pa Ga3 Ma1 Ri2 Sa. I am not sure if there are any film songs in this raga - would be surprised if there are! Popular carnatic krithis include Sri Maathrubhootham, Bhajare Bhajamaanasa
Kaanada: Karaharapriya Janyam - Sa Ri2 Ga2 Mi1 Dha2 Ni2 Sa - Sa Ni2 Pa Ma1 Ga2 Ma1 Ri2 Sa . Plenty of film songs... mullai malar mele, poo maalai vaangi vandhen ... carnatic songs include alai paayudhe, maamava sadhaa janani ...
Prabhu... You may be right... I think it is a combo of ShankarabharaNam, behag, hameer kalyaNi etc... ore kalappadam... aaLa vittrunga :-)
- From: vijay (@ 208.61.227.242)
on: Mon Jan 7 12:57:22 EST 2002
IR, thanks..havent listened to that "Kaalahara" song before..I heard the Innarul song yesterday and thought it had agreat SS feel too..but add another one to Raaja's inspiration list :-)
"hehehe - am a hard core TNS fan "
I guess most of us are. I am listening to his "nagumomu" rendition atleast once every two days, have it on CD. Cant get enough of it :-)
- From: MGR (@ )
on: Mon Jan 7 15:37:53 EST 2002
Sindhuja/IR: Also, in the bharathiar's song 'Dhikku theriyatha kaatil', the last stanza 'Kaadhal entha murai' is set in Paras.
Gayatri: I too felt Charukesi in that song. It has some touches from the song 'Kaadhala kaadhala' from Avvai shanmugi, which I think is in charukesi.
Vijay: cud you give me the link for 'sarasamukhi' song ?
- From: MGR (@ 199.168.32.5)
on: Mon Jan 7 15:41:46 EST 2002
Mandu,
Not sure which one do you mean. But, i remember a piece of the background score in the movie 'Veedu' , which is from his album 'How to name it' (probably the 3rd number in album...)
- From: IR (@ 38.220.167.203)
on: Mon Jan 7 16:26:55 EST 2002
MGR - sarasamukhi song is available in Musicindiaonline site
- From: ram (@ 24.47.158.78)
on: Mon Jan 7 17:42:05 EST 2002
I have heard people say Sriramanin Srideviye As Hamsanadam....but when i tried to figur it out it didn't occur to me as hamsanadam
can anyone confirm
- From: ram (@ 24.47.158.78)
on: Mon Jan 7 17:42:38 EST 2002
the above song is from film priya
- From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Tue Jan 8 05:40:13 EST 2002
MGR,
yes i was talkin of the movie 'veedu'. is there any other piece you could identify.. other than the piece from 'how to name it'?
- From: Erat (@ 172.189.126.209)
on: Fri Jan 11 04:05:59 EST 2002
The song Sarasa Muhki is in Gouda Malhar Raaga by Harikesha Nalluur Muthaiah Bhagavathar.Made famous by Madurai Mani Iyer.
- From: sri (@ 203.19.10.27)
on: Fri Jan 11 08:01:07 EST 2002
Anjali Anjali Pushpaanjali.... Enna Raagam? Please!
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Fri Jan 11 08:24:07 EST 2002
sri...heard it is "maand"
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.186.5)
on: Fri Jan 11 10:35:42 EST 2002
....Mishra maand?
- From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Sat Jan 12 02:00:35 EST 2002
does anyone know if there is a tamil version of the telugu movie 'saagara sanghamam'?
- From: Balu (@ 202.156.2.60)
on: Sat Jan 12 11:34:21 EST 2002
Mandu - the tamil version is 'salangai oli'
- From: V.Sharatchandra Bhargav (@ 128.196.27.199)
on: Sat Jan 12 18:31:40 EST 2002
Can anyone please tell me what the exact meaning of "Kamavardhini" is? And is there a website which gives meanings of the names of the various ragas? I'd be highly obliged.
- From: ec (@ 141.14.139.162)
on: Sun Jan 13 16:37:07 EST 2002
dear mandu, the movie saagara sangamam = salangai oli, is it not?!
- From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Sun Jan 13 19:30:53 EST 2002
:-)
ec gaaru,
yes. its the same. kamal and jayapradha. brilliant music. one of the most intense movies i've seen.
btw.... HAPPY PONGAL everyone!!!!
- From: raja (@ 172.189.66.185)
on: Mon Jan 14 06:09:52 EST 2002
Kamavardhini is another name for Panthuvarali!It is the 51st mela raga.Dikshitar school calls it Ramakriya or Kashiramakriya.
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Jan 15 00:12:27 EST 2002
hey
heard "Kannathil Muthamittal" ???
great songs ...yet another master piece from ARR... especially the song 'Kannathil Muthamital' by jayachandran and another song by MS Viswanathan... surely going to be a great hit...
waiting for your comments
- From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Tue Jan 15 03:36:21 EST 2002
"vellai pookal" is beautiful from 'kannathil muthamittal'... just breezed thru the songs.. haven't had the time to listen to them properly
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Tue Jan 15 04:08:42 EST 2002
the song 'vidai kodu nade' is just a master piece by ARR... hats off to MSV who has done a wonderful performance...another success mix...
(ARR + MSV)after sangamam...
- From: SV (@ 24.190.108.92)
on: Tue Jan 15 18:02:20 EST 2002
Can someone tell me the positions of swaras on keyboard???...thanks
- From: prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Jan 16 06:10:26 EST 2002
SV:
hope u know positions of C ,C# etc.
c - s
c#-r1
D -r2
D#-g1
E -g2
F -m1
F#-m2
G -p
G#-d1
A -d2
A#-n1
B -n2
c -s
- From: SV (@ 24.190.108.92)
on: Wed Jan 16 08:37:44 EST 2002
thanks prabhu.
- From: vasya10 (@ 192.35.232.99)
on: Wed Jan 16 10:49:58 EST 2002
vellai pookkal seems to be kalyani - ARR's first in kalyani?
kannathil muthamittal has shades of kanada/darbari kanada and may be 1 more raga - cant figure.
others seem to be mediocre.
- From: Paerandi (@ 168.168.67.112)
on: Wed Jan 16 12:33:25 EST 2002
Is the song, 'Oraru Mugamum Eeraru seviyum theeratha vinai thannai theerkkum' - set in Valaji?
- From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114)
on: Wed Jan 16 16:08:51 EST 2002
P: It is in malayamaarudham.
Ri1 varudhu.
theerkum has swarams:
dha2ni1 sa ri1 sa.
- From: nakkeerar (@ 12.148.251.114)
on: Wed Jan 16 16:09:44 EST 2002
oops wrong ni.
theerkum has swarams:
dha2ni2 sa ri1 sa.
- From: haris (@ 148.87.1.171)
on: Wed Jan 16 16:56:51 EST 2002
vellai pookkal - sounds Hamsadhwani.
- From: IR (@ 4.62.117.121)
on: Wed Jan 16 20:12:26 EST 2002
vellai pookaL is in Hamsadhwani with touches of Ma2 here and there - which gives a kalyaNi feel...
- From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Wed Jan 16 23:48:33 EST 2002
hi Prabhu, is this the correct one?
c - s
c#-r1
D -r2 & g1
D#-g2
E -g3
F -m1
F#-m2
G -p
G#-d1
A -d2 & n1
A#-d3 & n2
B -n3
If one uses your notation, then doesn't sudhdhanyasi for example become s g1 m1 p n1 s instead of s g2 m1 p n2 s?
- From: Prabhu (@ 202.88.152.159)
on: Thu Jan 17 04:44:49 EST 2002
actually IR Fan .. even i have this doubt...as far as i know what i gave is correct...
if one uses my notations then the sudha dhanyasi will sound correct and what you have given...i.e. using r2 as g1 is not correct...
someone clear our doubt pls????
- From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.11)
on: Thu Jan 17 07:21:35 EST 2002
what is so great abt. Kannathil muthammitaal?I just don't follow!very,very ordinary music compared to other masterpieces like Anjali from Duet etc..
- From: mandu (@ 203.196.129.98)
on: Thu Jan 17 09:34:23 EST 2002
sindhuja..
i thought vellai pookal was brilliant. its haunting...
but of course i cud be wrong... :-) .. after a mandu wouldn't know too much about the technicality of it. so while my head is silent. the heart loves it
- From: IR (@ 4.62.117.121)
on: Thu Jan 17 10:53:05 EST 2002
mandu, the next time I see you post like this, it would be my turn to throw a tantrum :-) why do you always enjoy degrading yourself :-) we all have our own tastes and preferences and do not have to feel bad or be apologetic :-)
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