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pavathaarini/NeetyaShree whos the best??

Topic started by vyaas (@ bellatrix.anonymizer.com) on Mon May 10 22:44:14 EDT 1999.
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I see many people praise neethyashree but how much shes better compared to pavathaarini?Pavathaarini has the most innocent,fresh voice among the newsingers today, whereas neethyashree know only to shout. Listen to 'kadal meethu' or 'kanmaneekku vaaltu chollum', pavathaarini is excellent.
Please let me know your opinions

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Responses:

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• From: thathuvavaathi (@ 207.247.192.231) on: Tue Aug 17 02:18:03 EDT 1999
  
  pOgira pOkkai paarthaal indha ellaa so-called bogus singers-um IR introduce panninavangadhaan pOla irukku !! ;-)
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ hlr-42-85.tm.net.my) on: Tue Aug 17 04:56:02 EDT 1999
  
  look into this
  
  http://members.tripod.com/~NITHYASREE/index.html
  
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.150) on: Tue Aug 17 05:32:21 EDT 1999
  
  `Thandhai maharkatrum udhavi avaiyaththu
  Mundhi iruppachcheyal' - KuraL
  
  
• From: Geetha (@ gatekeeper.oracle.co.uk) on: Tue Aug 17 09:06:03 EDT 1999
  
  Vanan: But ARR made them famous. FYI, Mahalakshmi may have been in Poonthottam, but she was used by ARR in Dil Se for the Paki Paki Pardesi bit of the Hindi version of Poongatrile, which was recorded way before Meetadha Oru Veenai. Mahalakshmi sang in many Ad's and ARR used her in the jingles! This is first hand info. from the ad maker, Rajiv Menon! It's just that Poonthottam came out before Dil Se!
  
  My points about many singers is that ARR made them famous, apart from that one song, Sujatha was introduced as an ADULT singer in Roja Film, by ARR! If you people read what I said carefully, you would have picked up the point. To second that, Minmini was a household name only because of the Chinna Chinna Aasai song.
  
  Vanan again, I didn't mention Shuba, so don't put words in my mouth!
  
  Subbudu: If you listen to many songs, a SAAYAL of the another of the same Raga will be apparent. It is not just in ARR's music, it is in all music, Thyagarajar and the rest of the Carnatic composers have done the same, if you nother to listen to the songs I mentioned, you may understand. Why, listen to these two IR numbers and draw your own conclusion.
  
  1) Andimazhai pozhigiradhu - Vasantha Raga from Raja Parvai
  
  2) Vandanam.. en vandanam - Vasantha Raga from Valzhve Maayam
  
  And Subbudu, Please do come up with the details of similarities, I for one am interested and so are many others here! You can do it in the Raga thread, so more people can judge your comments or why not the copies thread?
  
  Dorai: Why do you have a problem with change? Why shouldn't new people have a chance. Look at Unni K or Srinivas, thier talent is immense and when people like KJJ sing so little, why is it so bad to not have replacements? Accepting change is a very important step to the future, if you're in Computing, surely it is a simple Job requirement? Why not in other areas of the spectrum?
  
  Dorai: Are you trying to say that Unni K and Nityashree have bad Tamil and also cannot sing in Thalam? Wow, what a conclusion by such a knowledgeable DFfer! Mahalakshmi is a Tamil Bramin, just like Hariharan. Unni was brought up in Madras and even though he's Mallu, his Tamil is very good. IR brought in Jency, what do you think of her Tamil? Just curious!!!!!
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy1-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Tue Aug 17 10:06:35 EDT 1999
  
  
  Geetha, you are wasting your time.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp02.sprint.com) on: Tue Aug 17 12:32:34 EDT 1999
  
  Dorai,
  
  ippidi (vishayam theriyaadha) pOravaa varavaa pEchcha kettundu, appadiyE TFM page la post paNNi ongaLaiyE embarass paNNikkaradhula oru sadistic thrill aa?
  
  The beginning of ennavalEy has a sruthi bEdham in Shanmugapriya. Too bad! ARR did not send an e-mail personally to you explaining this concept to your "very knowledgeable" musical ears before releasing this song. I hold him fully responsible.
  
  Chaiyaa Chaiyaa la thaaLam problemaa? Very interesting. Must be "operator error".
  
  Internet vandhaalum vandhadhu. Keyboard kidaichchavan ellaam 'music critic and subject matter expert' aayittaan!
  
  DFers,
  
  I strongly encourage you all to re-visit my earlier post on Bhavadhaarini in the old responses. If Nithyashree has any inkling that after years of training and performance, some moron is comparing her with Bhavadhaarini, ava naakka pidungindu.....well you know the routine.
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ hud04a01.ml.com) on: Tue Aug 17 12:42:54 EDT 1999
  
  geetha,
  just to keep things in balanced :-)),
  
  If we give credits for ARR popularizing the singer as against introducing them, then IR should give credit for singers like jeyachandran, MV, Swarnalatha, and even janaki. To me one of highest points in 90's music is the availble talented voices, which seemed so impossible just a decade ago.
  This will be his greatest contribution, even if we close our eyes to recognize his other great contributions .
  
  It is strange that there are still people not ready to give ARR, his deserved credit. He understood that the vocal part of a song can also play in a big roll in providing the song the variety, as against IR and others, who relied on the music alone to provide the extra touch of variety.
  e.hari
  P.S
  I feel IR is better in camouflage techniques than ARR. There are certain songs, ARR sounds so close to old songs. Take tararum pum from jodi or minsara kanna or kannodu kanbadellam. I dont even know anything about ragas, just a layman observation. :-)))
  
  e.hari
  
  
  
• From: Sabesan (@ ws-209-233-228-254.webvangroup.com) on: Tue Aug 17 12:55:04 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha Vazhve mayam is by Gangai Amaran and not IR... well some may argue that all music by GA is by IR only.... may or maynot be true, but not in the case of vazhve mayam.... i dont' see any IR type of music in vazhve mayam...
  
  ammaa adhu enna, endha thread ponaalum, thread topic pathi pesamal, eppadiavadu kashtapattu IR vs ARR fight kondu vandhu, oru peria sandai pottu, topic pathi suthamma marandu????????
  
  rajaG, music pathi fullaaa therinjavanga dhaan pesanumaaa ennaa.... boss, music pidichirukku pidikaaalaaainu sollla certainly one need not be fully aware of music ragas, sagas and bagaaasss....
  
  Srinath, surprise, adhu eppadi neenga illama oru IR vs ARR fight????? and man surprise to see Srikanth after a loooooooooooooooonggggggggg gap.... srikanth, may be its not so interesting but why don't u start some interesting topics for discussion....
  
  
• From: bb (@ inehou-pxy04.compaq.com) on: Tue Aug 17 13:00:19 EDT 1999
  
  how many songs have bhava and nithyashree sung? less than 50 each? i guess this topic should be opened only after they become well established in tfm. i am surprised that a thread probably started as a spoof has turned like this:))))
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Aug 17 13:16:32 EDT 1999
  
  Mr RajaG,
  You may be very knowledgeable in Carnatic, Hindustani, Folk music, etc. etc. I may not be as knowledgeable as you. I did not say that these songs does not sound good. They are infact one of the best of ARR.
  
  When you get a chance, please listen to Ennavalle, Ennavalle. Right after the prelude when
  UnniK starts he stumbles on the shruthi and sings in a little faster pace.
  
  Chaiyya, Chaiyya has definetly a problem in Tallam. Please listen to the complete song carefully before making any outrageous comments about others musical ears...
  
  May be you have better musical knowledge than me but I can say for sure that I am not behind you in
  musical sense. NOM
  
  
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ kcecfp01.sprint.com) on: Tue Aug 17 13:19:11 EDT 1999
  
  Sabesan,
  
  pidichchirukku pidikkalainnu subjective opinion kodukkaradhukkum, sruthi is wrong, thaaLam thappu solradhukkum niraiya vithyaasam irukku. I have never questioned anybody's right to state their opinion. But facts are not opinions. Sruthi and thaaLam relate to facts - one is either right or wrong. Whether I like SPB's voice more than Hariharan's, or IR's use of violins are opinions. Don't accuse me of stating the obvious. Your comment on my post suggested that you did not understand where I was coming from.
  
  
• From: Srikanth (@ proxy2-external.moline1.il.home.com) on: Tue Aug 17 13:33:50 EDT 1999
  
  RajaG
  You are right, Facts have be clearly stated.
  As far as singing I feel missing shruthi a very big crime, if Enavale has a shruthi miss somewhere, it would have come out long long long time ago. But here for the sake of promoting IR, people throw acid and what not against other MD, directors, actors, fans etc etc.
  
  Dorai you say you dont have any carantic knowlege, but you are able to find a small shruthi miss, what a wonder!..... I could not find any shruthi miss anywhere in the song.
  
  Dorai -- Nan pidicha muyaliku 3 kal!...Meaning you have the knowledge but hiding behind saying I am ignorant.
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Aug 17 13:34:47 EDT 1999
  
  Geetha,
  I never said that new singers used/introduced by ARR. Infact, new singers make the TFM music fresh and nice. But the MD has to draw a balance in introducing new singers. But the prevailing trend in TFM is that by default there should be a new singer every other movie.
  
  I never critized the Tamil Pronunciation of UnniK or Nithya Shree. All I said was they are not perfect playback singers. To quote you an example, Dr BalaMuraliKrishna is one of the best and the most knoledgeable of all in carnatic music. But when it comes to playback singing SPB is way ahead of him (and he proved that in Sankarabaranam).
  Playback singing is totally a different ball game.
  Carnatic Classical singers singing playback should modulate their voices and it might take a while to do that. KJY is an expert in achieving that. Can you say the same thing about UnniK and NithyaShree.????
  
  I am not against introducing new singers. UnniMennon is a nice singer who became popular because of ARR. I like his songs very much. Hariharan is a very good singer with excellent voice modulation. I like him too. But, can you say the same thing about UnniK. In the name of melody UnniK blows too much air into the mic than sound. He certainly needs some refinement there.
  
  NithyaShree did a good job in Kannodu,,Kaanbathellam... But I can't say the same about her recent songs. Poove..Poove (Poovellam Kettupar) she literally struggles with breadth in high pitch. SJ would have sung MinsaraKanna and Sowkiyamma much better than NithyaShree.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Tue Aug 17 13:43:50 EDT 1999
  
  Srikanth Sir,
  I do respect your views. I am not trying to promote IR. Just stating the facts. FYI, I formally learned carnatic music and never have possed as Ignorant or over confident.
  
  
  

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