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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Apr 6 15:16:42 EDT 2001
  
  sabesan,
  
  How do you say
  MD:Cricket Player::Singer:Umpire?
  
  MD and singer collaborate(team up) to give a product.
  If Cricket batsman and umpire collaborate together it is the worst type of match-fixing.
  Could you throw some light?
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.254) on: Fri Apr 6 16:14:10 EDT 2001
  
  Trend;
  
  That is an enjoyable one..
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.54.245) on: Fri Apr 6 16:27:38 EDT 2001
  
  Begin Digression :
  
  Trend..... good one :-)
  
  and here is my argument - *collaborate together* - i would see this in a different angle - each perform their duties correctly - then yes, we will have a very good product..... the umpire does his duty correctly, the batsmen does his duty correctly, u have a good match to watch..... and so would be the MD/Singer roles.....
  
  End digression
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Apr 6 16:44:46 EDT 2001
  
  sabesan,
  
  Digression:
  
  I think an umpire would be one who is an excellent music critic who may not be able to create music but knows even the nuances of it atleast from a non-subjective point of view.
  
  I would think of the ratio as:
  
  MD:Coach and/or Manager::Singer:Cricket player.
  
  Now please don't reverse back and get offended if that means LM is Sachin Tendulkar/Rahul Dravid and IR is John Wright/Chetan Chauhan.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.54.89) on: Fri Apr 6 16:56:17 EDT 2001
  
  yabbba yabbba..... sathiama naan IR/LM ai Players/Coaches kooda compare pannalaa..... just like u can't compare who is BIG an umpire or a Player or a Manager - similarly there is no point in comparing IR with LM.....
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Fri Apr 6 17:27:27 EDT 2001
  
  sabesan,
  
  "similarly there is no point in comparing IR with LM"
  
  I think it is an injustice to compare one person with another.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.80.9) on: Sat Apr 7 07:23:38 EDT 2001
  
  Dear Swami,
  
  1)Please give me the answer to the foll. question:
  If there are 4 talented musicians and you have heard only one of them, can you say that he is the best?? I never meant to slam IR at all, I just said that I like some other music directors equally. Is there anything wrong in that? How come someone has the right to say that IR is the best when he has harly heard anyone else at all?
  
  
  >>>>>You seem to have a shell around you, which makes you feel anything down 1000 miles from Bombay is not worth noticing .....MSV-TKR.
  ANS:
  That's not true- I love PS's voice almost as much as LM/Asha.
  As far as MSV is concerned, I can give you a whole long list of songs he has composed. MSV has really given a whole treasurehouse to Vani Jairam ,amongst others of course.
  
  I have heard the 5 songs that LM sang for IR.
  a)Aararo aararo
  b)engey enn venai
  c)Engirundo Azhaikkum En Jeevan SG000007
  d)Thella cheeraku thakadhimi thapanalu aakhari poraattam (Telugu )
  e)valayosai kala kala...........
  
  But by any standards, these are nowhere near Lata's best at all. You should see how the other MDs I previously mentioned have used her voice, and what wonders she has worked with EACH one of them. This totally proves her versatility. No other singer in HFM has had such memorable associations with so many MDs. And you'll understand only if you have the inclination to do so. I repeat again -its the nth time I am saying this in this forum- I never mean to undermine IR at all. Saying that someone else is good does NOT mean IR is bad.
  
  
  NOW FOR SRINATH:
  >>>>>>I don't intend qualifying myself to praise or criticize Lata simply because I am not interested. But if you want to criticize IR, which intent you have time and again proven, you will have to listen to the 1000 songs to start with.
  ANS:
  
  I dont AT ALL intend undermining IR. Saying someone else is good does not mean IR is bad. Just bcoz I dont like his songs in Hey raam, does not mean that he is bad. Another thing: yOu say I am against IR just because I feel Lata is a greater contributor. And you say that IR's contribution is a billion times that of LM's, especially when you dont seem to have heard LM at all. I can thus call you 'anti-LM' on the same lines. You somehow seem to be extremely prejudiced and narrow-minded. I pity you, to say the least, but you arent even worth that.
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Sun Apr 8 17:53:55 EDT 2001
  
  LV: let's call it quits instead of names. you like certain people; others like certain others. no one here is going to try to convince you about the spectrum of their musical experience. if srinath or i start listing our favorites (or who all we have heard/listened - which to your surprise might turn out to be overwhelming :-) ), the pointless gibberish of "discussion" will continue for ever with everyone calling everyone else names. personally, when i want to have a pleasant time with some good music i choose ir over every one of the greatest composers who ever lived and never a latha or asha. call me a pathetic excuse of a music lover but i say: who gives a flying .... .
  
  so if we contribute something concrete here let's continue the discussion; otherwise let's stop it.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.162) on: Sun Apr 8 22:39:24 EDT 2001
  
  Dear AruLaracan /srinath,
  
  I have been accused of IR bashing only because I said I disliked iR's Hey Raam.
  I will not stop until I get an answer, especially from Srinath, who has been the ONLY nasty arrogant persom out here.
  1)If you have heard very little of other Music directors, what right do you have to say that IR is the greatest?
  2)If you've hardly heard LM, what right do you have to say that IR is worth a billion LM's.
  
  I think, Srinath has a sky-high ego and his IR fanaticism is probably supported by the same, and not by love for good music.
  Bye.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.162) on: Sun Apr 8 22:47:49 EDT 2001
  
  Dear aruLaracan,
  
  The very fact that you say Lata's/Asha's singing lacks emotions shows how intently you might have heard to their songs.Probably, your idea of 'decent Hindi' seems a bit inverted.
  
  And listen again-saying that I like some other MDs equally is definitely no SIN!!! And whether you like it or not, they will get and have got as much respect/fame as IR. Else people would have long forgotten the songs they composed 40-50 years ago.
  
  Now srinath again: In case you happen to be an expert at all different kinds of music all over the world, please condescend to reply to this: From which ghazal tune is 'megame megame' a direct lift?
  
  
• From: alaghu (@ 134.56.110.70) on: Sun Apr 8 23:25:43 EDT 2001
  
  Megame Megame was not composed by raaja , it was composed by Shanker Ganesh for the movie Palaivanai Cholai. I think the Ghazal was sung by Jagjit Singh, I have heard it once. Please correct me if I am wrong
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ 199.67.140.20) on: Mon Apr 9 11:32:32 EDT 2001
  
  LV,
  **
  I have heard the 5 songs that LM sang for IR.
  a)Aararo aararo
  b)engey enn venai
  c)Engirundo Azhaikkum En Jeevan SG000007
  d)Thella cheeraku thakadhimi thapanalu aakhari poraattam (Telugu )
  e)valayosai kala kala...........
  
  But by any standards, these are nowhere near Lata's best at all. You should see how the other MDs I previously mentioned have used her voice, and what
  wonders she has worked with EACH one of them. This totally proves her versatility. No other singer in HFM has had such memorable associations with so many
  MDs. And you'll understand only if you have the inclination to do so.
  **
  If I follow the same logic, SPB/PS sang few songs in HFM, and the songs are no where as good
  as what he was offered in TFM, can we conclude all the MDS used them in HFM ( naushad, RDB, LP are not good).
  
  If i try to follow your logic, it seems that KJY/PS/SPB ought to have contributed musically more than IR/MSV/ARR in TFM and more I think in these lines, more I feel, your logic does not make any sense.
  Your example regarding chitragupth does not make any sense to me. If I want to make a case similiar to that in TFM, I can quote Devarajan, T.R.Papa, govardhan all have given one or two great songs, now if I want to equate them to IR or and others, I know, how stupid it is
  going to sound.
  FYI, You assume that, when I talk about RDB, I have not listened to him, I have and I have no doubt, where he stands, when compare to IR.
  
  regards
  e.hari
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 203.199.228.115) on: Mon Apr 9 12:03:41 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  The answers to both your questions are the same and form part of the questions themselves. If at all I listen less to other MDs/singers, it is not because I chose to listen *less* to them, but because I chose to listen *more* to someone else. You have promised to stop once I answered your questions. Though I am having way too much fun at your absolute lack of self-control or clarity of thought, I am bound by my conscience to request you to keep your word.....atleast this time.
  
  
• From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Mon Apr 9 12:27:33 EDT 2001
  
  LV: :-))
  
  (1) i hope this is my last reply to you. (from LM/IR this thread has moved away to LV/others. pity :-( )
  
  (2) i am not going to convince you, this is 1008th time i am writing this? :-), about the width of my music exposure; i form opinions after a thorough "hearing"; also, i don't feel compeled to prove to you my hindhi "expertise". so let's leave this point.
  
  (3) i never said anything about AshA. please do not attribute to me what is not rightly mine. call me a tin drum but most of latha's songs don't move me.
  
  (4) i don't care if you don't like ir's heyram or heyrahman. in your (probably not very :-) ) humble opinion, he didn't live up to the standards he has set for himself. some people who visit this df listen to all kind of nuances and to a greater extent to the bg scores than the songs. to them what you said might have been "appaling". to me (and i think i can say for srinath also) it doesn't matter.
  
  (5) we are going to repeat this circus again and again and m... (perumUchchu).
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.8) on: Mon Apr 9 13:26:54 EDT 2001
  
  Dear e-hari,
  
  You have not heard Chitragupt, so keep quiet.
  
  The 5 songs for Lm by IR are not her best. But this was in response to the foll. statement by Swami:
  'Listen to the IR songs by Lata-she never sounded
  so good before'.
  
  I do believe that the singer has an equal contribution to film music as the composer. Your praising only a composer for a good song makes no sense at all.
  
  
  
  Dear srinath:
  So you feel that you have the right to blurt out foolish statements. If you expect me to comment on IR only after listening to his 1000 songs, I can say the same to you. Forget 1000,Can you name
  me atleast 5 songs by Anil Biswas, Chitragupt, Jaidev or Khayyam, or Hridaynath Mangeshkar?? Or even C Ramchandra for that matter.
  Still you foolishly insist that IR is the best?
  When you've not even heard th others.
  
  So stop giving pithy and silly lectures to me on 'alpa sandhosam'. Its a pity that you are unable to control your frustsration when some
  other music director is praised. But they will, you may shed tears at this fact, be respected as much as IR. So next time, before saying that IR is worth a few billion LMs, listen to a few Lata gems, and only then start your fiddlesticks.
  
  
  Dear AruLaracan:
  That's right, you are a tin drum. But for your kindest information, Lata's 'Aye mere wattan ke logon' had brought tears to the eyes of Pandit Nehru and the hundreds of people who witnessed her performance on that day. And her voice is known to be spiritual-your own darling IR- amongst numerous other poets and muisc directors, classical singers and laymen have said so. But since you have not heard much of her work, such loose comments will easily flow out of your mouth.
  Of course, Lata cannot move a stone with her singing. Apart from her terrific voice quality, the expressions is the part where she scored over all others.
  
  
  

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