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IR GETS LATHA MANKESHKAR AWARD !

Topic started by NagasubramaniaN (@ fw.baan.nl) on Fri Dec 4 01:26:45 EST 1998.
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hi,
today's dinakaran has this info.
IR gets Lathamankeshkar award given by MP state govt.
http://www.dinakaran.com/daily/12041998/cinema/award.html
Any idea about this award & other persons who got this award ???
NagasubramaniaN

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• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Thu Apr 5 15:45:34 EDT 2001
  
  Man ..Fliflo your writing skills are improving by leaps and bounds !!!
  Re: IR. Today on the way to work I was listening to varusham 16 - gangaikkarai mannanadi, karaiyAdha manamum undO..wow..so classical, yet easy to listen ..and the lyrics too (who is the lyricist). The current crop of MDs are so surface skimmers compared to the profoundness in IR's music. Anyways, How many of us listen to thiyAgarAja et. al. ? So if at all IR is forgotten, he would be forgotten the way thiyAgarAja was !!!
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.227) on: Thu Apr 5 16:00:32 EDT 2001
  
  Fliflo,
  
  "Raja created songs for the situations and others traverse in the opposite way"
  
  Does this others include everyone else?Are you sure?
  
  
• From: Analog (@ 12.105.88.34) on: Thu Apr 5 16:22:41 EDT 2001
  
  Kiru:
  
  'vAli' is the lyricist.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 130.203.167.95) on: Thu Apr 5 17:31:55 EDT 2001
  
  kiru;
  
  you be kidding...it is an occasional flow like some tail-enders batting..
  
  Trend;
  
  i know where you expect me to come..a dangerous game..
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.70) on: Fri Apr 6 01:04:37 EDT 2001
  
  Dear srinath,
  
  Well, as you predicted I am very tempted to keep posting, and I shall. Well you thought I was lying when I said MM's tunes have been lifted.
  1)Enna Desamo - taken from 'Meri zindagi hai kya' atleast the opening stanza.
  2) 'Kanavu kaanum vazhakai yaavum..' - from KA's 'Kasme Vaade Pyaar Vafa'.
  3)Konjum purave - 'Thandi Hawayein' from Naujawan by Lata Mangeshkar (MD: S.D.Burman).
  Some people say that Roshan copied this tune for 'Rahe na rahe hum', but if you listen that's just not true. Evem MM was accused of coying this tune in 'Zameen se hamein', but that's not true, if you listen to both. Of course you must've already listened to these, since you seemingly have exposure to both HFM and TFm.
  4)'Megame megame' is taken from a lovely MM ghazal. Since you are a music expert, you can tell me which.
  5)"Nee nadanthaal nadai azhagu" from Lata's "dilbar".
  6)Naina Barse... Naane Varuven
  7) Khilte Hain Gul Yahan... Raadhayin Nenjame
  
  Apart from this, there are a few (nearly 10) more I would have told you (mostly MM's songs which have been copied in Telugu films, but I dont recall the lyrics. I'll tell you when I do recall them)
  
  
  aruLarcan:
  No its no flame for me. Its just that what you are saying is unfair, coz Lata is known more for her rich ability to convey emotions and express the same tune(no change in speed/orch.) in contrasting moods, by voice modulation, than the quality of her actual voice as such.
  
  LV
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.197.82.70) on: Fri Apr 6 01:20:59 EDT 2001
  
  dear srinath,
  
  For a change atleast, thanx for giving me the list.(though obviously I object to your saying : 'IR's creativity stands greater').I'll go through it, and I'm sure you've given me a treat. Also thanx for telling me about that IR website. Twas very interesting. Have you contributed towards its development? I really liked the articles on 'shruti-bhedam' and 'melakarta raagas' used by IR.
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.250) on: Fri Apr 6 02:14:51 EDT 2001
  
  friends,
  
  such kind of things happen only awards given by Governments. Well, our Indian Government's President award for the cinefield person who has contributed a lot in it is called as dhadha sahib phalke award. Now, assuming that if IR or Lata gets the award we all can argue that its humbug how can a MD or a singer get an award of dhadha sahib phalke who was a actor and director. ok..even if somebody says that he was a MD and a singer then there is a lot of room to say IR is better MD than dhadha sahib phalke and Lata is better singer than dhadha sahib phalke. So names given to such awards by the government should be taken as 'names are for name sake'. Don't go too much into them. MP govt. felt that Lata has done a lot for music. So MP Govt. award for a person who has done a lot for music is named after her name. Thats all.
  
  Our TN govt. may create an 'Award for Best service in leprosy' and name it after Aringar Anna. It will then become absurd if the person or that person's HC fans ridicule it saying that "how great Aringar Anna is in terms of leprosy. In leprosy our 'this person' is faaaar service minded in it".
  
  I think it would be better to name all the awards given by the govt. after the govt. itself. Not on any personality names, Like "Indian Government Persident's award for Best Performance in the cine field" and not as "dhadha sahib phalke award"; "Indian Government President's award for Best actress" and not as "Nargis dutt" award(if im correct).
  
  no such problems in private awards, it will be XXth filmfare award for best actor etc etc.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 24.25.2.70) on: Fri Apr 6 02:41:07 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  You beat my expectations and came up with two more 'last posts' where I expected only one ;-) But seriously speaking, the 1000 songs list is Eden's handiwork and I had a very miniscule part in contributing songs to it. I do know that a few other DFers contributed in larger measure. But you should really thank Eden for initiating, sustaining and completing that effort.
  
  Eden, could you please mail me a copy of that list at jsrinath@hotmail.com I don't seem to have it with me.
  
  Raajangahm.com is the brainchild (& pet child, I dare presume ;-) ) of Arularasan, Gopal Prasad, Rex and a host of other ex- and current DFers. My interests, unfortunately, remain outside the scope of that site. Yet, it is undeniably a fantastic resource for anyone who wants to learn 'Ilayaraajese' with some wonderful articles from contributors.
  
  To you, LM shall always be better than IR and to me, IR shall always be better than LM. Let's leave it at that. Finally, of your copied songs list, I am not able to place 'Konjum purave' right away. But AFAIK, apart from 'Kanavu kaanum vazhakai yaavum', the others are not by IR. I didn't doubt the veracity of your statements, I just pointed out that it was a simple case of 'kahin pe nigahen, kahin pe nishaana'!!! For further muses on why and how that particular song might have crept into IR's largely unblemished record, please revisit the copied songs thread. I'm sure it has been discussed there before.
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.86) on: Fri Apr 6 04:00:49 EDT 2001
  
  Dear srinath,
  
  Thanks a lot. For me LM is a better contrinutor to Indian music, and to you its the opposite. Yes, lets leave it there, no harm at all.
  Anyway, I like the statement 'kahin pe nigahen, kahin pe nishana'. I did digress, agreed, but if you've been through the early pages of this huge thread, you'll see that people have asked me questions totally unrelated to this debate. In fact, we all went into a discussion on classical music. Anyway....
  
  But there is one thing I would like to re-iterate. You just mentioned that a composer is above the singer. That's not necessarily true.
  If you havent please go through the 3rd para of my first 'last'(!!!!) thread. Lets see what you have to say about that.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 24.25.2.70) on: Fri Apr 6 08:11:58 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  In that 3rd para, you've only managed to insult IR once more. It's not even worthy of a response. You don't seem to fully understand the meaning of 'agreeing to disagree'. Not every composer is more talented than a singer, this one composer is - and his achievements are far superior to any singer that has sung for him. I have carefully read through every post of yours in our discussion and there is nothing that convinces me otherwise. The next time you make a blanket statement about IR, I hope you will have heard a sizeable number of songs on the list that Eden sent you.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 24.25.2.70) on: Fri Apr 6 08:15:48 EDT 2001
  
  Eden, thanks a lot for sending that list!
  
  
• From: LV (@ 203.199.130.162) on: Fri Apr 6 12:30:20 EDT 2001
  
  Srinath,
  
  Fine, I will listen to a sizeable number of those songs in due course, no doubt. But please tell me how many songs of how many other MD's you have heard before you call IR the greatest.
  And let me know how many Lata songs you have heard before passing statements about Lata's creativity in comparison to IR.
  The links to Lata's songs are:-
  http://www.members.rediff.com/lata
  (you'll find a very long list here)
  http://www.members.rediff.com/latanjali
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.183) on: Fri Apr 6 13:29:49 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  Don't go away.
  
  Others:
  Keep arguing.
  This is the most interesting thread I have read for the last few days.
  
  Through LV I came to know about LM very much.
  If you people feel that it might not be bad enough to send one copy of 1000 songs of IR, please send me.
  
  
• From: sabesan (@ 64.160.53.43) on: Fri Apr 6 13:59:39 EDT 2001
  
  ada vidungappaaa...... Tendulkar perisa Dikkie Bird perisa ????? sollungappaa..... can they be compared ? i don't think they can be.... similarly is LM and IR.......
  
  (i spelt Dikkie bird wrongly - cause newtfmpage does'nt allow me to post with c - which would mean a *bad* word :-)).....
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.237) on: Fri Apr 6 15:00:52 EDT 2001
  
  LV:
  You are the one who is posturing here. Since I have never made any outlandish claims as to Lata's inferiority, I am not obliged to accede to your request. Look, it's like this:
  
  I say IR is the greatest because of what he's done
  
  You say LM is the greater than IR because of what he's done (with negative emphasis) and also what Lata has done (with positive emphasis).
  
  The only commonality in our discussion is IR. Before you slam him, I have every right to ensure that you are qualified enough. Since I don't slam Lata, I don't have to be qualified to do something that I am not doing in the first place. By corollary, since I have listened to enough of IR, I am qualified to praise him to the skies. As a standardization for "enough", I suggested the top 1000 songs of IR, which you gleefully accepted, thereby admitting that I was, at the very least, more qualified than you to comment about IR.
  
  Bottomline is, I don't intend qualifying myself to praise or criticize Lata simply because I am not interested. But if you want to criticize IR, which intent you have time and again proven, you will have to listen to the 1000 songs to start with.
  
  I know the argument may not sound convincing to you because, obviously, you are not looking to be convinced about anything here. You have come with a preset notion ("firm belief", if I may quote you) and that will help take the discussion only thus far.
  
  I don't really care much if you become an IR fan or if you start thinking of IR as better than Lata after listening to Eden's list - maybe just a little 'alpa sandosham'. But I need to insist that you earn your spurs before throwing mud at IR!
  
  
• From: Swami (@ 63.97.162.10) on: Fri Apr 6 15:01:44 EDT 2001
  
  But please tell me how many songs of how many other MD's you have heard before you call IR the greatest.
  
  Good logic LV. Holding on the same lines, I cannot expect a person from Nicaragua to accept IR is the greatest when he/she has not listened and studied his works completely. The argument becomes useless and dumb. So is the case with you.
  
  You seem to have a shell around you, which makes you feel anything down 1000 miles from Bombay is not worth noticing. But the point is, in the history of India cinema some of the greatest technicians are from 1000 miles south of Bombay. Get over the way you analyze hindi music and with an open ear just try to visualize the notes of IR's works or even the violin pieces of MSV-TKR. Also try listening to the song "valai oosai" from Sathya and see how IR has bought the song out of Lata. And now go back and listen to all Lata's previous songs. I bet you will feel the difference. If not I'm sorry we are not in the same league and let's put aside this argument and talk something else.
  
  

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