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Vani Jayaram's songs

Topic started by avvaiyar (@ 203.116.61.132) on Wed Jan 27 02:29:28 EST 1999.
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I'm a new visitor to this website. I couldn't see anyone discussing about Vani Jayaram's songs.
Let me start this one.(It had been there previously pls. forgive me!)

"Ezhu swarangalukkul ethanai paadal..
Ithaya surangathul ethanai kelvi...
Vaazhum manitharukkul ethanai salanam.."

Wow! Beautiful voice!

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• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Thu Dec 20 15:09:25 EST 2001
  
  
  I have heard people discussing "Avaninai kondada vandhal" song from the movie Lottery Ticket. There was also an excellent duet by VJ & Jeyachandran in that movie? Can anybody recall that song?
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Thu Dec 20 15:11:24 EST 2001
  
  I also remember a good duet by VJ & Malaysia Vasudevan. "Alankaram, Abshishekam Archanai arambam..Moham undu...". It was a suhasini, chandrashekar and raghuvaran movie. (This movie also had a song by PS "Deepagal ayiram deviyar yetridum Deepavali")
  
  
• From: Priya (@ 198.23.26.253) on: Thu Dec 20 15:16:38 EST 2001
  
  There is also a solo by VJ which goes "Vilakketri vaikiraen vidiya vidiya yeriyattum..nadakka pogum natkalellam nalladhaaga nadakattum"I am not sure about the movie name.
  
  
• From: balaji (@ 129.130.88.172) on: Thu Dec 20 15:27:46 EST 2001
  
  Priya-the movie was Marumagale vazhga.
  I don't think VJ sang the Vilakketri song.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Thu Dec 20 17:33:39 EST 2001
  
  Priya - Lottery Ticket duet is Kannil Vandhai Nenjil Nindrai Nee - VJ/PJC
  
  Vilaketri vaikiren song is by PS. I think it an older (50s/60s movie...) but I could be wrong.
  
  
• From: Mr. Walker (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Thu Dec 20 21:17:27 EST 2001
  
  he was seldom there for the recording of his own compositions!
  Naaz, IR was not there for every recording during a particular phase, that's all. He was there for most recordings. The truth is, he did not plump for VJ, period and I do not blame him. I personally feel that VJ was suited for Bhajans and Bhakthi songs only. Are you going to start persecuting IR for not choosing VJ more often ?
  
  
• From: kik (@ 207.0.105.143) on: Thu Dec 20 21:32:25 EST 2001
  
  GR: happy to u/l. All the sites where you could u/l have been shut down/ discontinued this service.
  
  
• From: RR (@ 203.125.148.110) on: Thu Dec 20 21:58:01 EST 2001
  
  kik: if you have realaudio files, send them to me. I can make them online for you.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 203.197.81.149) on: Thu Dec 20 22:33:15 EST 2001
  
  I find it very difficult to believe that IR has had little or no say over which singer he wanted for which song. Though its unfortunate that he did not use VJ adequately, I feel he had the right to choose SJ and SPB. He knew what he was doing. Just as we had choices, so did he have his own. And then SJ is no ordinary singer at all.
  
  If we have to fuss over why IR underutilised VJ, then I find it rather ridiculous that SJ was COMPLETELY NEGLECTED in TFM before the advent of IR. That was unfortunate. Perhaps IR realised that and decided to make up for that :-)))
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Thu Dec 20 22:41:08 EST 2001
  
  Avr, there are so many stories about VJ's comment on IR. But except one all others are false including yours. I think it was Kumudham. The question asked to VJ was something like this. "Thirai isaiyil classical music niraiya payan paduthuvathu MSVa? IRa?". The answer given by VJ for that question was "MSV". No mention about IR. IR was using more folk tunes those days. Now anyone can interpret this answer as bash against IR ot comment against IR or anything else.
  
  kik what is the file format and file size. RR please try to do something.
  
  
• From: yvs mani (@ 164.100.193.40) on: Thu Dec 20 23:49:59 EST 2001
  
  one more song which I could remember and heard in radio those days is:
  devi koonthalo brindhavanam kalooram pookkal yaavumae en seethanam from en aasai unnodu thaan.
  (prem * poornima jeyaram starrer)
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 01:58:56 EST 2001
  
  Why persecute IR for not using VJ? Really, the man has used Shailaja for more songs than he has Vani! R.D. Burman did not used Asha for most of his songs - is that really Lata's loss? Or O.P Nayyar used Asha for all his songs...is that Lata's loss? Or Ravindra Jain used Hemlata for most of his compositions...or Shankar-Ganesh used VJ for some of their most memorable compositions...was it PS/SJ's loss?
  And now this: I am told YSR and KR (and also IR) use Bhavadharini for their songs (although I think she is quite unsuited to sing period, but who cares what I think?)...
  
  I think VJ has proven herself to be more than a Bhakti or Bhajan singer (but she does have the Octave range that is required for devotional singing, while most others don't) the sun of TFM did/does not rise and set in IR's armpits...
  The curiosity was this: some of the most challengining of IR's compositions (you can see above) were essayed by VJ. Was she just a choice when he felt others could not must THAT particular octave arc? VJ I am sure is very satisfied with her songs for IR. They are still talked about here!
  
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 02:07:00 EST 2001
  
  AVR -
  It is not true that SJ was completely neglected in TFM singing. She was always there in (at least) two songs in viswanathan-ramamurthy films. She was also greatly favoured by g,k.ventkatesh (under whom IR apprenticed - and I believe this to be a factor in IR's preference for SJ - nothing more, nothing less).Also most of IR's earlier tunes are in C minor and SJ has a certain felicity in that note (than other high octave notes where she loses clarity) and that might be a reason he chose her. Sj also sang a great deal for Vijayakumari films. Her career definitely took off after the advent of IR - but that was also an outcome of compositional compatibility (this is my theory).
  
  
  AVR: this is specifically for you: check out (if you can locate it) VJ songs with Mukesh in the film Shaque. It was Vasant Desai's last film. It was produced/directed by Aruna-Vikas Desai.
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 02:20:40 EST 2001
  
  I meant to say (two above) that R.D. Burman used Asha's voice for most of his compositions - should that be interpreted as Lata's loss?
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Dec 21 02:21:36 EST 2001
  
  Naaz:
  
  I think Shaque had an Asha solo. That is as far as I have read. I have not heard the Shaque songs. BTW is this the same movie in which Vinod Khanna is an army offcier who kills his wife coz he finds out that she has fallen in love with another man, whilst he has been away???
  
  
  Also, about SJ - I wrote hear what I have read about SJ, about her being very poorly used in TFM before IR. In fact in that famous Asha-SJ fight, this point has been made ad nauseum. In fact people there were arguing that SJ has less calibre, and thats why she was underutilised. Anyway, I am sick of discussing politics now........
  
  Indeed, VJ has rendered some of IRs beautiful compositions like "elluil" and "en kalyana vaibhogam".
  
  Many thanks
  Avr
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 02:39:03 EST 2001
  
  Although Shaque had vinod khanna (and shabana azmi) it was not the film you are thinking of. The film you are thinking of is Achanak (VK, Farida Jalal and Lily Chakravorty) directed by Gulzar. A great film! It had no songs, though.
  
  I think people should get acquainted with the idea of "compatibility" between singers/MDs and their compositions. Just think of this recent fact: Vijayabhaskar chose VJ for most of his compositions in Neela - and this was his comeback film after a long, long hiatus. Why? He has an imaginative-correlative with VJ - and feels that she is the one who can do justice to his compositions (he still has other choices, but he chooses VJ). He says so in an interview conducted during the Neela recordings (look up www.themusicmagazine.com for an interview with VB - where is says he chooses VJ for her range and quick grasp)and that is his decision. We can criticise his decision ( don't cost much) but the songs are the proof of his judgement. Are they not moving? Do they not transport you to a miraculous realm? This is where the listener comes in. However, the populist chartbuster does not really have to accomplish any of this. It just has to be formulaic and that could be done by a VJ or a SJ ( or better still a newcomer like say Vasundhara Das or Bombay Jayashree) - it does not require the "imaginative" leap like say, an Aanathi Neeyara or a Yedhayagayakathari. Some singers are sought out for that specific imaginative leap. Some just fill the bill. And we should evaluate them accordingly.
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Fri Dec 21 02:53:12 EST 2001
  
  ufffffff! naaz and avr, very high level discussion. Good u people know more in music.
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Dec 21 03:29:26 EST 2001
  
  Naaz:
  
  Yedhayagayakathari
  
  which song is this? And dont you DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARE NOT post a link to it :-)
  
  
  G RAGAVAN:
  
  I have no musical knowledge whatsoever. Yes, I like GOOD music. Semiclassical esp, and I am able to appreciate "poignant stuff". I'll take only that much credit. Its Naaz who is trained musically - he has been a student of Jitendra Abhisheki, a very famous classical singer from Pune (my home city).
  
  
• From: avr (@ 143.127.3.10) on: Fri Dec 21 07:27:43 EST 2001
  
  Naaz:
  
  Digression again. Your English is excellent and your style of writing lucid and enjoyable. Are u as fluent in all other languages as in English (or more??) ? :-)
  
  
• From: Naaz (@ 24.76.127.63) on: Fri Dec 21 11:50:56 EST 2001
  
  AVR,
  
  I have to address an issue you raise in the other PS/VJ thread. The reason I mentioned The national award was to counter "Mr.Observer's" glib and libellous statement that VJ goes anti-swara in the Seethapathe section (BTW: The national award is conferred on an artiste for her/his work in the "entire" film and not just one song. Although, it is the one song (with the others) which sways the jury one way or another. So to say that VJ got the award for Manasa is like saying an actor was honoured for one scene in the film - and in the other scenes s/he was passable or insignificant. That's not how juries work. It is the totality of the performance that is taken into account.)
  I personally have no "award" favorites. But I think awards are a sign of collective "objectivity." And juries are comprised of men/women with appropriate/illustrious credentials. Sure, some good films never get nominated, some good artistes are (to some this may seem deliberate) consistently glossed over. That happens. But to go that way only to decry the merits of an award is simply ludicrous.
  The evaluation has to be within the "pool" of nominations. Yeah, our favorite singer/actor did not make it again...but let's focus on those who made the shortlist.
  Now the question of why quote this award or that award to bolster the reputation of someone - when even without those awards they are exemplary in every way? Precisely, because they are nominated and adjudicated by their "peers" or a jury of "equals". ARe juries always right? No, not by a far stretch. Sometimes there are blunders. Sometimes there is a wild card. But this must we have to accept: juries (for each aspect of film-making at competitions) are made of competent people. The "swara sanchar" that was labelled "off" would have be detected before you could say KV Mahadevan! It would be like a grammtically flawed and obviously so opening para of a Booker nominated novel, or a fudged abstract for a Scientist of the Year award. That argument just does not wash.
  Incidentally, the songs of Shankarabharanam were well recieved even before the award nominations. The awards only helped quanitfy (and multiply) their appeal. It would have been no different without the award. But - I object to the accusation which takes a potshot at an entire "jury" just to tarnish an artiste. It is not "others' opinion that makes my "taste." Rather, it only tells me that my "taste" is shared by other qualified people. To say that VJ's voice is not really my idea of a good singer is one thing. But to say that her singing (evaluated by a jury with solid credentials) was off-key and faulty in a flawless recital is pure bias.
  
  And here's the big crater of clarity in his argument: I am supposed to listen to a PS song to know how off-key VJ really is. And I am the one who is allowing "others" judgement to influence my listening?? That takes both the cake and the bakery with it for sheer audacity. Guess what: the observer has no clothes ! (to spin an old yarn in a new way.)
  
  AVR - I write the way I know. Thanks for saying you find my writing lucid. I THINK my thoughts and then write them. Communication is about Clarity. Why bother otherwise?
  
  
• From: Mr. Observer (@ 64.105.35.205) on: Fri Dec 21 12:42:40 EST 2001
  
  Naaz,
  I am supposed to listen to a PS song to know how off-key VJ really is. And I am the one who is allowing "others" judgement to influence my listening
  
  Your problem here is comprehension (the lack of it). Read through all the posts again, nowhere have I suggested what you have ended up understanding.
  A wrong note cannot be the criteria for NOT being presented with an award. Even SPB's rendition was not flawless in ShankaraBharanam. I guess it could be the overall excellence that comes through.
  
  

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