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Mohd Rafi is the Greatest Singer India Produced Mohd Rafi is the Greatest Singer India Produced

Topic started by Srikant (@ 12.47.54.252) on Fri Jun 1 14:28:05 EDT 2001.
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Mohd Rafi - 100
Lata Mangeshkar - 98
SPBalasubramaniam - 96
Kishore Kumar - 95
Yesudas - 94
P Susheela - 93
Asha Bhonsale - 92
S Janaki - 90
Mukesh - 90
PB SRINIVAS - 85
JayaChandiran - 85
HariHaran - 85
TM Soundararajan - 80
Mannadey - 85
unniKrishnan - 85
MahendraKapoor - 80
Malasia Vasudevan - 75
IlayaRaja - 70
SD Burman - 75
MSV - 65
Rahman - 60

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From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Wed Jun 13 18:03:37 EDT 2001

aruL: paattaiyaa kAdhaliya paththiyaa?:-)

SL: idha idha idhaththaan edhirpaarththEn! the absence of control of certain brigaas was the exact point I noted when talking about 'ajahu naa aayE baalma'. Also listen to 'tasveer tere dil mE' - absolute struggle (especially highlighted by Lata's relative ease in similar sangadhis).
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Wed Jun 13 18:07:24 EDT 2001

bull: indha kindal thaanEy vaaNaangiradhu. appuram (vishayam puriyaadha) bEkku ekkachchEkkamaa oru thread a vEra aarambichchu vappaan:-)
From: aruLaracan (@ 134.124.160.10) on: Wed Jun 13 18:13:08 EDT 2001

rAjAjI: reNdumE pazasu; adhanAl iraNdin ninaivum inikkum :-))
From: comment (@ 65.9.136.158) on: Wed Jun 13 19:03:56 EDT 2001

aye!
From: bm (@ 205.188.193.156) on: Wed Jun 13 19:23:00 EDT 2001

AYE !
From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed Jun 13 19:32:47 EDT 2001

>>>>Naming one, range. His bass voice isn't all that good, so that's out

His bass voice isn't that good. Oh ya ???. Is that what you are saying. Then who's is good. KK or SPB !!. Rafi's voice was magic and golden and i'm sure everyone who has listened to rafi many times will tell you the same. I don't know what you are talking about here !!

>>>>Secondly, though he could traverse from the lowest pitch to the highest effortlessly, he has not shown any degree of control in incorporating brighas or sangathis at that pitch without sounding like a novice.

What do you mean lack of control ??. Rafi could sing at a high pitch and keep it there for a very long time. He NEVER sounded like a novice when he went to a high pitch and always had control. How can you say this ??. You either haven't heard alot of rafi or you are acting stupid (no offense). If you are talking about lack of control, KK is a good example. he couldn't control himself at high pitches(first of all he didn't even have a high range !)and he goes off control when singing high-pitch songs. What about songs such as :
Taqdeer ka fasana
Likhar tera namm zamin par(the last pull will show you how much control he has at high pitches. Seriously speaking, i have seen no other singer in my life with a range as high as rafi's. And this last pull is an example why.)
Chahunga mein tughe
Nufrat ki duniya ko chor ke.
Aaj purani rahon se koi mujhe awaaz (another example of high pitch at control)
......and so many other examples. From what you have said, i doubt you have heard many of his high-pitch songs.

Go listen to these songs and it you will find out. Please don't compare TMS with Rafi. Rafi never faltered when it came to control at a high pitch and he is miles ahead of everyone when it comes to singing at a high pitch and he has control at that area.

>>>>>There HAS NOT been a male singer before or after SPB who has shown the same degree of grasp of nuances of a tune and sensitivity to the flow of a tune.

Oh ya ????. Are you sure ????. Let me rephrase it for you. There has not been a male singer before or after Rafi who has shown the same degree of grasp of nuances of a tune and sensitivity to the flow of a tune. As SPB himself has said
"there is only one person on this whole earth who
could sing a song at its real feeling and that is Mohamed Rafi Sahab". If you disagree with him and say that SPB can do better when SPB himself doesn't think so then you are on your own. You haven't heard rafi to a full extent to be making comments like these.

>>>>>Who else has incorporated sangathis with so much of sense of timing and placement before and after him ? None. Who has shown a better sense of 'anubaviththu pAduthal' and intuitive sense of emphasizing certain important phrases in a song ? Again, none

Rafi has emphasisized many a times certain points in his songs. Rafi had excellent timing as well. Don't make such comments when you know of such things. Your comments sound as if you think you are an expert which you clearly aren't and that there are flaws in rafi's singing. there are NO FLAWS in rafi's singing.

>>>SPB does admit that Rafi was one of his inspirations, but that's nature's law, 'ondril irunthu thAn ondru'. That does not take away an iota of his greatness.

NATURE'S LAW ????. What do you mean ???. SPB admiring rafi is not nature's law. And it is not taking away from his greatness. Anyone can admire anyone they want to. No one is stopping them. But because SPB realizes that Rafi is truly a great, he admires him. Don't bring this BS about nature's law into his admiration for rafi. SPB has said many times, there is not a singer ever like Rafi. Any arguments ??????

And rajag, in the song 'ajahu naa aayE baalma' that line where rafi pulls, he is not lacking control at a high pitch. He has to pull for s short time because that is the requirement of the song. The song did not require him to pull for a long time at a high pitc. Who are you to say he lacks control singing at that pitch. Also, in 'tasveer teri dil me', he matches lata when pulling and does not falter. Absolute struggle MY FOOT. You don't know what you are talking about. It seems as if you can't take rafi being a great singer as SPB and the world thinks by the comments you are making. Admit it then. We won't say anything. It's your opinion. Just stop bashing other singers because of your baseless opinions. You seem to lack good musical knowledge. I don't know you that well but others here respect you and say you have good knowledge. To me, by your comments it sounds like you are biased.
From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed Jun 13 19:34:41 EDT 2001

All those who say rajaG should stop bashing other people's opinions because he doesn't like them and can't handle the facts please say OK !!!.
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Wed Jun 13 21:00:14 EDT 2001

Sriram Lakshman:

aao thaakur aao! kyaa laayE hO mErE liyE. yahaan par thaiyyab ali hijdOn ki fauj banaakar..........kHair chOdo in bEkaar baathOn kO! arE yaar! yE Mohammad Rafi, aakHir hai kown yaar? sunaa hai ki thaaamil bHaashaa mE apni bulandhi aawaaz mE bahoot shOr machaayaa hai is banda nE. kabHi hO sakE thO is naacheez kO bHi ek aadh sur sunaa dEnaa, prEm se:-)
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Wed Jun 13 21:06:03 EDT 2001

BTW, pull pull nu ennamO solraaLEy appdinnaa musical term la enna nu yaaraavadhu solla mudiyumaa? Gangaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! thalaivaa! konjam aruL puriyungO:-)
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Wed Jun 13 21:08:03 EDT 2001

commentu: Tik 20 la kerosine adhigamaa kalandhuttiyEdaa paavi (effect kkaaga Ekavachanam)! paaru poochchi thirumbi vandhu arikkaradhu:-)
From: rajaG (@ 208.24.179.129) on: Wed Jun 13 21:10:21 EDT 2001

SL: "Pulling" in high-pitches is the hall mark of a true artist. So Narinder Chanchal is better than Rafi. Q.E.D.:-)
From: Ganga (@ 64.209.142.190) on: Wed Jun 13 21:23:56 EDT 2001

IMF,
Your comments sound as if you think you are an expert which you clearly aren't and that there are flaws in rafi's singing. there are NO FLAWS in rafi's singing.
Your comments sound as if you think you are an expert which you clearly aren't and that there are not flaws in rafi's singing. there are PERFECT FLAWS in rafi's singing.
From: Ganga (@ 64.209.142.190) on: Wed Jun 13 21:28:40 EDT 2001

IMF,
Who are you to say he lacks control singing at that pitch. Also, in 'tasveer teri dil me', he matches lata when pulling and does not falter. Absolute struggle MY FOOT. You don't know what you are talking about. It seems as if you can't take rafi being a great singer as SPB and the world thinks by the comments you are making. Admit it then. We won't say anything. It's your opinion.

Who are you to say he does not lack control singing at that pitch. Also, in 'tasveer teri dil me', he does not match lata when pulling and does falter. NO FALTER MY FOOT. You don't know what you are talking about. It seems as if you can't take SPB being a great singer as rafi and the world thinks by the comments you are making. Admit it then. We won't say anything. It's your opinion.
From: Ganga (@ 64.209.142.190) on: Wed Jun 13 21:30:52 EDT 2001

IMF,
You seem to lack good musical knowledge. I don't know you that well but others here respect you and say you have good knowledge. To me, by your comments it sounds like you are biased.

You seem to lack any kind of knowledge. I don't know you that well but others here do not respect you . To me, by your comments it sounds like they are not biased.
From: IMF (@ 204.50.249.133) on: Wed Jun 13 22:47:58 EDT 2001

Ganga you are very humorous. Shows that you can stoop so low. Good work in making a fool out of yourself.

Pulling" in high-pitches is the hall mark of a true artist. So Narinder Chanchal is better than Rafi.

Rafi will anyday be better in pulling than Chanchal. chanchal was a specialist bhajan singer and he did have a high range but not as high as Rafi's.
From: True Music Fan (@ 138.89.109.177) on: Wed Jun 13 23:03:50 EDT 2001

IMF,
PLLLLLLLEEEASE Go away. You can find lot of other egroup discussions dealing with north music, where you can find plenty of other fools of your brain size.
From: hari (@ 66.68.101.152) on: Wed Jun 13 23:34:19 EDT 2001

Gentle(ST) suggestion -

Ever heard of the word "ignore"? all, please exercise restraint. Lets not ask anyone to leave and go anywhere. If u'all dont like someone's posting(s)/(im)mature arg(grrrr)uments, "ignore" them.

Anyways, lots of "fun" in DF after some time. But still indha mAdhiri "gang-up" paNNi oruththara bash paNNakoodAdhu pa. romba thappu.

Keep the fun flowing. nobody needs to leave the DF and go anywhere and deprive us of fun and useful information. i am open to learning abt North Indian Music.
From: LV (@ 203.197.81.177) on: Wed Jun 13 23:38:05 EDT 2001

dear comment:
>>>we are here to argue rafi is the best in india or not, you have been saying rafi the best in most of the threads here and to save your a.. you add spb and kjy are also good, you are scoring same side goals, imfo: you have not made single contribution to this thread other than abusing everyone and using spb/kjy appreciation as a shield.<<<

This is your stupid bla bla again. I have NEVER argued about Rafi being the best ANYWHERE. Please check out ur a*** , ur eyes and ur brain. U had better learn some English before dishing out ur stupid opinions here.

dear SL:
>>>His bass voice isn't all that good, so that's out<<<

Rafis bass is beautifully exhibited in songs like the ghazals of Mirza Ghalib he sang for Naushad. His bass is also shown in songs like 'Gham-e-hasti se begana hota, khuda aakash mein deewana hota' by Roshan,all his 40s songs, songs in Deedar, the song in Kaagaz ke Ph*ool (forgot the lyrics). There are also his songs like 'man tarpat ...'. He shows his range in the higher and lower notes.
His control over the higher notes is of course absolutely marvellous.

>>>>flexibility of chord change<<<<

Well, I do not consider 'Tasweer teri dil mein' to be a struggle at all. Yes,I heard that Rafi had a tough time during the recording. However the final outcome is great. I had mentioned the songs of SN Tripathi where this facet of his singing is marvellously displayed. Also, his semiclassical qawwalis like 'aise mein tujhhe dhhoond ke laoon kahaan se main' and 'chandi ka badan' besides all those ones in Barsaat ki raat are marvellous, especially from this point of view.

>>>emphasis on certain phrases to give a new meaning to a song<<<

Well, I disagree here. Listen to the Taj Mahal songs, and listen to 'megha re bole ghanan ghanan' (this is actually a kind of prelude to the song 'bade hain dil ke kaale' by rafi+asha in Usha Khanna's 'Dil Deke Dekho'). Again Chaudhavin ka Chaand. That was superb too, from this point of view.

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