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From: Dorai (@ 216.217.47.130) on: Tue Feb 27 11:44:36 EST 2001

Can Some one tell me the Raga of the song "Maanjolai Killithaano" from Killake Pogum Rail.
From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Tue Feb 27 11:59:08 EST 2001

Venkatesh "Oomai nenjin sondham" is Malayamaarudham.
Dorai: "Maanjolai kiLidhaano" is Sudhdha dhanyaasi.
From: gopinath (@ 202.9.175.244) on: Tue Feb 27 12:47:26 EST 2001

hi,
can anybody tell me the raga of the song
" naan thedum sevanthi poovidhu"
film-dharmapathini
From: Siva (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Tue Feb 27 13:01:26 EST 2001

Vidhya,
Can u tell me where to find material to learn how to find a raaga????
From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Tue Feb 27 15:39:22 EST 2001

Siva: chk this site out..
http://www.charangi.com/Audio.html

Gopinath : "naan thaedum" is Sudhdha dhanyasi.
From: sindhuja (@ 202.93.131.40) on: Wed Feb 28 01:34:15 EST 2001

hey geetha!
i just wanna make 1 thing clear-i'm sindhuja,sindhu is another person,so its not me who enquired abt. yengey enadu kavidai!
From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Wed Feb 28 06:01:26 EST 2001

hi vidhya,

i remember reading as Hindolam for the song naan thaedum sevvandhi poovidhu...is that right???
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.207) on: Wed Feb 28 10:03:13 EST 2001

Naan thedum sevvandhi poo does sound like Hindholam
From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Wed Feb 28 12:14:04 EST 2001

IR, kupps: oops. It is HIndhoLam.
From: Kumar (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Wed Feb 28 15:47:39 EST 2001

Can anybody tell me which raaga is "Poovae sempoovae"
From: Siva (@ 167.24.104.150) on: Wed Feb 28 16:13:52 EST 2001

Vidhya,
I saw the link u gave me.....
is there any reason for the songs to be grouped as parts ....... in Neyveli R.Santhana Gopalan's
Demonstration!!!!
From: Vidhya (@ 206.216.1.3) on: Wed Feb 28 17:37:52 EST 2001

Sive : Just a selection of raagams that fit in one CD I guess.

Kumar : Poovae Sempoovae is in "Gowri manohari".
Raagam database is http://asp.newtfmpage.com/list.asp
From: IR (@ 4.3.188.45) on: Thu Mar 1 07:18:21 EST 2001

Poovae chem poovae is not strictly in GM - the very first note - Ga3 ma1 pa- poo vae - is a non GM note - GM takes Ga2

I would say it is a combo of GM and Shankarabharanam
From: IR (@ 4.3.188.45) on: Thu Mar 1 07:21:48 EST 2001

It also takes N2 in "Nan seidha paavam" - Ga3 ma1 pa dha2 ni2 dha2 ni2 ni2 - which means may be Hari Kambhodi too!
From: Hema (@ ) on: Fri Mar 2 11:50:36 EST 2001

Hi

Can u guys tell me what is raga for these two songs
from Missiyamma - Brindhavanamum Nandakumaranum
From Thennillavu - Kaalaiyum neeye Malaiyum neeyee
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Fri Mar 2 16:55:52 EST 2001

Has anyone heard "pongum kadalosai" by vaani jeyaram from m meenava nanban? i wanted to know the raga.
From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Sat Mar 3 06:19:16 EST 2001

Vijay,
'Pongum KadalOsai' is VALAJI raga (some call it Valachi).

It is Malayamarudam without the 'Ri' note.
Eg. of Malayamarudam :
'KaNNane Nee vara KAthirunthen' from 'Thendrale ennai thodu'
From: Vidhya (@ 24.128.190.214) on: Sat Mar 3 11:29:11 EST 2001

"Brindhavanamum Nandakumaranum " is Arabhi
From: IR (@ 4.3.189.238) on: Sat Mar 3 12:12:45 EST 2001

Brindaavanamum Nandhakumaaranum is in Saama not Aarabhi.

Kaalayum Neeyae is in Basanth bahaar
From: geetha (@ 12.64.0.131) on: Mon Mar 5 12:35:21 EST 2001

Can anyone tell me the raga of the song "Kannaalane" of the movie Bombay ?
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Mar 5 18:31:49 EST 2001

Neels, thanx.
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Mar 5 18:40:35 EST 2001

Neels, actually I asked that question because "pongum kadalosai" sounded close(atleast to me) to "yeh agar dushman dushman" from ham kisise kam nahin(its a qawwali). This song was supposed to be set in Kalavati.

and actually just now I found out from this link that Kalavati is the hindustani equivalent of Valaji;)

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Forum/8424/carnatic/hcragatable.html
From: IR (@ 4.3.189.238) on: Mon Mar 5 20:02:10 EST 2001

Pongum kadalosai has traces of Valaj - but it has tons of other notes - making the job of identifying the exact raga challenging - ofcourse it is definitely not set in "a raga" :-)
From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Mar 6 16:00:48 EST 2001

thanx IR
From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Thu Mar 8 00:23:28 EST 2001

Geetha,
"KannALane" I think is a combination of KeeravANi and Sindhu Bhairavi.

Is 'Theertha Karai thaniLe SheNbaga PushpangaLe' by Yesudas (MD: IR) set to Karaharapriya? It looks like a lighter version of this 'gana' ragam. Any idea?
From: george (@ 202.189.14.132) on: Thu Mar 8 06:17:29 EST 2001

kushi tones
minalae tones
priyamanavale tones
From: geetha (@ 12.64.66.81) on: Sat Mar 10 09:55:49 EST 2001

Neels,
Thanks. I do not have any idea about ur question.
From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Mon Mar 12 22:35:33 EST 2001

Anybody listened to Karthikraja's dum dum dum?

I understand that there is a separate thread for that but since this is with reg to raga, here goes...

The song in DDD 'ragasiyamai'...which raga is it? When I listened to it first I jumped to the conclusion that it is panthuvarali. But repeated listening has me thinking that it could be malayamaarutham.

It has strong traces of an older song (not sure of movie or composer) 'thendral ennai mutham ittathu...'. So which raagam is the ddd song?

--Karthik
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.231) on: Tue Mar 13 12:33:51 EST 2001

Karthik you are right - Ragasiyamaai is in Malayamaarudham - well done - good song :)
From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.28) on: Thu Mar 15 13:09:07 EST 2001

geetha,
this is with reference to the nityasree song i was talking about(quite a long time back)-it is indeed in raagam kaapalini-thanx for the info.i got the casette recently-just to add on-the composer of the song is none other than nityasree's mom herself!
From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Fri Mar 16 06:52:05 EST 2001

Friends,
What is the raga of one of the Top Tamil film compositions, 'VArAi nee vArAi' (Manthiri KumAri: MD: G. Ramanathan)?

It's seems like such a simple song at first, but has the most complicated twists and surprising turns in the melody.
It has traces of Shuddha DhanyAsi and Abheri. Any idea? Thanks.
From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.22) on: Fri Mar 16 06:56:07 EST 2001

One more on dum dum dum...

Is 'un perai sonnale' (unni K and sadhna sargam) mohanam?

--Karthik
From: sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.219) on: Fri Mar 16 13:12:05 EST 2001

geetha,
ooops!
the raagam was palini and not kapalini!
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.241) on: Fri Mar 16 14:44:07 EST 2001

Neels - Abheri and sudhdha dhanyasi being janyas of Karaharapriya have the same aaro - but Abheri has dha2 and ri2 in its avarohanam besides SD notes.

This song sounds more like Aabheri and there are some lines which uses Sudhdha dhanyasi's avarohanam (abheri sans dha and ri) which makes it confusing.. but other lines clearly include sa ni2 dha2 pa ma1 ga2 ri2 sa.. I would classify this song under Abheri!

Another twist - if you listen to the line - Oh ho maarudham veesuvadhaale and the interlude after that - I hear the following notes - pa ni2 sa ; ri2 ga2 ri2 sa !!! Now, Abheri does not have Ri in aaro!!

And that is the only line which has ri in the ascending scale!!! I would still classify this under abheri!! and may be the MD did that to add beauty!!! just my thoughts...
From: Neels (@ 203.199.87.3) on: Mon Mar 19 01:56:10 EST 2001

IR,
Thanks for the insightful post.
I still marvel at the composition which is so simple, yet so complicated. Only a genius like G.Ramanathan can score such numbers.

Another song from the same film sung by the same duo, 'Trichy Loganathan' and 'Jikki', that comes to my mind is:
'Ulavum Thendral KAtrinilE'. Very western in its style (harmony et al). Sounds like 'Kathanakutoohalam' in Pallavi and in the CharaNam it is some other Raga. The progression of the melody is unpredictable. A classic no doubt! Any idea what the raga is?
From: IR (@ 4.3.190.18) on: Mon Mar 19 10:10:43 EST 2001

Neels - thanks for the song info - great song! I would say it is "based on" Shankarabharanam....

Infact this song reminded me of "An English Note" that Madurai Mani Iyer - a renowned Carnatic Vocalist popularised. That note is set in Shankarabharanam - a lovely piece indeed! These 2 songs sound very similar :-)

The note also includes Ri3, Ma2, Ri1 etc to add beauty. If you observe the line goes something like this: Ga3 Ri3 Ga3 Ma1 Ga3 Pa Ma2 Pa Ri2 Ri1 Ri2 Ga3 .....

All of those non-shankarabharanam notes are notes that immediately precede the Shankarabharana notes... wow indeed a treat to the ears!

May be "Ulavum Thendral Kaatrinile" is also tunded similarly!

Let me know what you think! If you want to listen to the "note" that I mentioned - You could find it at musicindiaonline.com --> Carnatic Vocal --> Madurai Mani Iyer --> First Song
From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Mon Mar 19 11:34:20 EST 2001

C C# D Eb E F F# G G# A Bb B C

If C is Sa, Can someone tell me, what are the corresponding notes for Ri1, Ri2, Ga3 etc..?

Can someone fill this please?

C - Do - Sa
C# - - ?
D - Re - ?
D# - - ?
E - Mi - ?
F - Fa - ?
F# - - ?
G - So - Pa
G# - - ?
A - La - ?
A# - - ?
B - Ti - ?
C - Do - Sa (Octave)

Thanx in advance.
From: IR (@ 4.3.190.18) on: Mon Mar 19 12:16:56 EST 2001

Let me give this a try - I have my pitch pipe and am trying all these notes...

C - Do - Sa
D - Re - Ri2
E - Mi - Ga3
F - Fa - Ma1
G - So - Pa
A - La - Dha2
B - Ti - Ni3
These are Shankarabharana(Major Scale) Notes

C# - Ri1
D# - Ga2
F# - Ma2
G# - Dha1
A# - Ni2

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