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Is ARR Running out of Stuff?

Topic started by Ramesh Vaidhyanathan (@ gengw.gensym.com) on Fri Mar 13 15:14:51 EST 1998.
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I listened to VandeMatharam in which ARR recycled his own tunes from Kizhakku Ceemayile and a touch of a song from Indira.
Also ARR's recent movies for big time producers like Ratchagan and Iruvar (except one song) and Dhoud in Hindi did not have any notable music. Remember ARRs last hit Minsarak Kanavu music was done long time ago.

If for a major album for Sony released on 50th year of Indian Independence, ARR cannot produce original music, then I have to come to the conclusion that he is running out of stuff. I heard that ARR is planning to cut down on movies and concentrate more on albums. Thus he will have to produce less and earn more.

Right now I do not see any difference in the quality of music produced by ARR and Karthik Raja. In fact I think Deva is doing a better job of providing consistant good quality music.

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• From: dorai (@ gateway7.ey.com) on: Fri Mar 5 15:48:09 EST 1999
  
  CHAN
  You statement
  >>>>it is like saying Kamal is the best and so rajini is no good.
  Whatever Kamal does still rajini reigns supreme coz in the end what matters is popularity
  and it always shows that rajini is the best.
  <<<< itself says the IR is the best. Because we all know KAMAL is better than Rajini.
  
  So IR is the best. By the way, who told you ARR is the best in the whole country. Its only day dreaming. Just because ARR does some hindi movies he is not country's NO 1 MD. He still has a long way to go to reache there (if at all he does). He has to compose original music to be able to be number UNO!!!!!. No recycling Please.
  
  
  
  
• From: SM (@ 205.218.142.215) on: Fri Mar 5 15:49:32 EST 1999
  
  Mr.Chan,
  
  Let me start by introducing myself as a fan of ARR and a fan of Rajnikanth.
  
  > I do think he is good but you know not good > enough to be NUMER UNO.
  
  IR is not good enough to be NUMERO UNO? So who was ruling TFM from late 1970s to early 1990s? Who composed the tunes for the everlasting songs in that period? - songs from "AlaigaL Oyvadhillai", "Sindhu Bhairavi", "Udhaya Geetham", "PayanangaL Mudivadhillai", "Johny", "Idhaya Koil", "Ninaivellaam Nithya", just to name a few. Now, ARR is no.1 but he is not SUPREME like what IR was in the 1980s. Still, IR is coming up with albums like KM and that is enough to prove that he is still fresh. He has proved himself to be a genius and he was and he is THE best MD in India. As of now, ARR is more popular but that is not enough to call him the best. ARR still has a long way to go before he can reach the legendary status of IR. I sincerely hope that he can come anywhere near that level. But, IR is in a class of his own. He has crossed several milestones and reached the top long time back.
  
  > Whatever Kamal does still rajini reigns supreme > coz in the end what matters is popularity and it > always shows that rajini is the best.
  
  Your logic is "one who is more popular than anyone else is the best". That doesn't make Rajni a better actor than Kamal. Kamal is the best actor. Rajni is the Super Star. There ends it. They are too different entities. Similarly, IR is the best MD. ARR is the most popular MD, as of now.
  
  
• From: Swami (@ cacher-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se) on: Fri Mar 5 17:30:14 EST 1999
  
  Goto any music store. Just look for collections of Beethovan, Bach, Vivaldi, Straus....well you can get them for as low as $1.99. But even Deva's CD sells for $10 !! There ends the difference man. There is no respect for richness/quality in music. You need to do monkey tricks and fancies to sell your album. ARR is too good in that, poor IR .....sorry no comments on him about this. But one thing guys/gals, people still remember these great's I'd mentioned, even after 300 odd years. So the only consolation is, if the music is rich, if it had really dug into your soul,it will last the test of time. So will IR.
  
  Cheers,
  Swami.
  
  
• From: CHAN (@ a-202-28.sp.neu.edu) on: Fri Mar 5 18:38:28 EST 1999
  
  My cousin is 7 yrs old. He his very smart for his age. So i was curious to know what he thought about music (TFM). So i asked him what songs he liked? .He came up with all the latest ARR hits (No surprises there). I asked him why does he like them or rather what to him was good music...He could not word his answer but instead he said "musicna athu ippadi irrukanum" making gestures with his hand...symbolising a pleasant feeling. That is 1 good answer for a really intriguing Q. I need to like it and it need not be constrained by many rules and boundaries( I am talking about light music here). IF ANY MD CAN PROVIDE THE MASSES, CONSISTENTLY, WITH SUCH MUSIC THAT MD TO ME IS THE BEST (Of course ARR unarguably is that MD..:-))
  
  DORAI, SM:Consider this case. A and B are in a class. A is the smartest guy in the class but B gets the 1 rank most of the times. we all know A is smarter than B but the performance shows that it is the otherway. So here the touchstone becomes the result from the exams. So is the case with ARR and IR. ARR has showed the result more # of times than any other MD. That to me in itself relegates all other MD's.If IR fans are going to argue talent is the criteria then that is not my perspective coz we do not have a touchstone to measure light music and it is not a valid arguement. (Sorry IR fans...:(( )
  
  DORAI aren't we talking about contemporary MD's so how does the Q "Who was the best MD in 1980?" arise??
  
  
• From: SM (@ 205.218.142.215) on: Fri Mar 5 19:36:33 EST 1999
  
  Chan,
  
  It was me who raised the question "Who was the best MD from early 1970s to late 1990s?" and not Dorai. Well, we as you said, this thread is not about "Best MD in 1980". At the same time, it is also not about "Who is the best MD?". The topic clearly says "Is ARR running out of stuff?". Well, we had been through some digressing here and there and so that doesn't matter. My question as to "Who was the best MD for those twenty years was in response to your statement which meant that "IR is good but not good enough to be NUMERO UNO".
  
  > IF ANY MD CAN PROVIDE THE MASSES, CONSISTENTLY, > WITH SUCH MUSIC THAT MD TO ME IS THE BEST (Of > course ARR unarguably is that MD..:-))
  
  I partly agree with you on this. ARR is providing the mass with good music (IMO). But, still I won't call him THE best. Going by your own words, IR has provided (and is providing, eg. KM) the masses with consistent, excellent and everlasting music and that for the last 20 years or so. Then, he has to be the best, right? Well, if you say as of now, ARR is the best, then I can't argue further. Because it has been only 7 years since ARR entered the field and from there on he has dominated TFM. But, IMO, MORE credit should be given to the man who has showered the people of Thamizh Nadu with great music for the last 20 years and is still going strong.
  
  
• From: Thiruppathi Srinivasan (@ 64-ppp-a.tnt04.agis.net) on: Sat Mar 6 00:58:01 EST 1999
  
  If Deva relies on IR for songs, ARR relies on himself and western songs for tunes. Tunes should flow spontanaously like IR not to be created by trail and error method by ARR. ARR survives with the magic of sound. There are very few good 'soul moving' songs from him. Instead I find lot of original and good songs from Deva.
  
  
• From: UV (@ webgate0.mot.com) on: Sat Mar 6 03:45:12 EST 1999
  
  CHAN,
  in the case of A & B , u missed a quality of Mr.B . copying.
  
  I would rather fail (like MDs like balabarathi, VSN) trying to be original than shamelessly copying somebody else's work (your ARR and deva).
  
  why don't u go to some KG schools and take a survey on who's the best MD (u can do that if u ask opinion from a smart "experinced" cousin of yours).
  
  Ask any people who have heard both the MDs and ask their opinion.
  
  Well, when you say popularity is what decides the most talented ,then daler mehendi comes first!!!
  
  
• From: ARR Fan (@ 198.80.192.138) on: Sat Mar 6 08:19:25 EST 1999
  
  Raj,
  
  Something wrong with my server when I attempted to post my message right the first time. That is why, I tried another time which was successful. If I stopped trying after my first attempt, then my message would have not reached here. So, it is not bad to reiterating till the target been achieved. You can better sense the quality rather than the times repeated.
  
  Every MDs are coping the tunes knowingly or unknowingly. but nobody fetch the limit once it is enough recycled. It is not necessary to list-out the copied songs of IR as we all know very well.
  
  We have such a worst attitude that we never & ever encourage any new talents and always critcising till we get tired so as happend to IR also we used to say IR lifting MSV & other old MDs tunes. So, whatever you say, ARR is the music sensation today.
  
  
• From: CHAN (@ svr02-p17.ppp.umb.edu) on: Sat Mar 6 11:32:49 EST 1999
  
  UV..u are a smarty aren't u.
  
  why i brought my cousin into this coz of the answer. it is the answer u could evict from a layman. Hope u understand atleast this. The prob with u i think is taking thinks too literally..pls read my earlier posting and then say if u have anything to say.
  
  ARR has achieved a lot many things in the small span of time he has been around than any other MD. Well can any of u IR fans deny that. Is it not enough to prove ISAI PUYAL IS DA BEST!!!
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on3-30.netcom.ca) on: Sun Mar 7 14:12:12 EST 1999
  
  As I read through some of the replies on this thread, the two most common accusations of ARR by IR fans are 1) His music doesn't last long and can only be tolerated for a short period of time,
  2) He recycles his tunes and songs.
  
  Well these two statements seem to contradict each other. If ARR's music doesn't last long, and he recycles, then wouldn't the people be sick of his music long time ago? This either means ARR's music is everlasting OR he doesn't recycle, it can't be both. So which of you IR fans want to dispell of these myths (or lame, bitter and pathetic excuses for bashing ARR) ?
  
  
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ spider-wi052.proxy.aol.com) on: Sun Mar 7 14:35:07 EST 1999
  
  Ram:
  Did it ever occur to you that ARR was able to recycle his tunes ONLY because they had a very short shelf-life ? People would easily identify the recycled tunes if they were recycled from numbers still fresh in our minds.
  
  A great many people pass through these pages in support of ARR, and often resort to bashing IR fans simply because they could not find enough fault with IR's music. Some are as openly arrogant and self-righteous as you too. Every single one bit the dust. Talk music here - not IR fans and ARR fans.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ ott-on4-12.netcom.ca) on: Sun Mar 7 15:54:56 EST 1999
  
  That never occured to me Srinath! So what you are saying is that those unsofisticated bunch known as ARR fans, who would even think someone shouting is music, don't have the mental capacity to remember songs their listened to 2 years ago, because those songs had such a short life. But fortunately they have the IR fans to thank for reminding them that they have already heard, became addicted, and then forgot.
  
  Wait a minute...if the IR fans remember these songs, doesn't that mean it lasted in their minds? What does that say about IR fans? Eventhough they can't stand ARR's so called music, they go and buy and listen to ARR songs as soon as it is released. Does this mean they actually like ARR's music as much as ARR fans, or does it mean they are obsessed with finding fault with ARR music they can't live without making a mockery of his songs?
  
  We ARR fans bash IR fans and not IR, because we don't have a problem with IR or his music. Some of us enjoy his music, although we don't rush out to buy his latest release. The problem we have is with IR fans who partronize us and tell us what we SHOULD like.
  
  The difference between IR fans and ARR fans is that eventhough IR fans can't find fault with ARR's music, they make it up and keep repeating it like a broken record which can get on our nerves.
  
  I think that this is related to music, and besides only 50% of the discussions here are about music, the other 50% here are IR worshipping, ARR bashing and trying to come up with the most creative way to find fault with ARR's songs.
  
  
  

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