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AR Rahman is good than anyone in the cine(music) field.

Topic started by PACHEI TAMILAN (@ 210.195.72.222) on Sun Dec 29 11:22:14 EST 2002.
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AR Rahman is a very talented music director .He is still the no>1 music director now comparing to others.
he has only a enemy in his field that is Harris Jeyaraj .Harris jeyaraj is Rahman's enemy not because he is good than AR0 Rahman but he is a copycat which always copies Rahman's music.

For the example : -

1.Adithadi Appatha (samurai) is copied from Tom Karuvil Erunthom (Star)

2.Poove vay pesum pothu(12B) is copied from Kandukondaen Kandukondaen(movie same)

3.Oh Mama Mama...(minnale) is a Rahman's tune but it had stealed by Harris Jeyaraj when he works with AR Rahman .

so,thats all the evidence of Harris jayaraj the great copycat.

AR RAHMAN IS THE GREATEST MUSIC DIRECTOR IN THE WHOLE INDIA.

vande mataram............

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• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.243.13) on: Fri Mar 12 03:21:44 EST 2004
  
  ok boss..we are different people..and we atleast need common grounds for discussing anything.
  
  Both of us have heard lajja and WOHE. Now, if u feel, lajja is better, I cant help it. If i feel lajja is in no comparison with WOHE, then you cant help it. Finally it has boiled down to different opinions on the same thing and no more arguments on this.
  
  I am definitely not in support of IR bashers..cuz I respect IR a lot. but the reasons I like him are different from yours. But I do not agree with ur statements like 'arr is not a composer'. I think they are total crap.
  
  anyway, I would not like to discuss this further with you, as we lack common grounds. YOur definition of a song's success is different from mine.
  
  But I would just like to tell you onething. You have got a wrong idea on technology. Technology doesnt control music. Music controls technology. So many things that we find difficult in a studio to do, with less sophisticated equipments, are easily done with the aid of technology/softwares. It is just a tool that helps you achieve the desired results easier.
  
  Thanx.
  
  
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.88.233.50) on: Fri Mar 12 04:13:59 EST 2004
  
  Well said Prasanna. I don't understand why people think ARR is just a sound engineer. Both IR and ARR are great composers indeeded.
  
  But when it comes to BGMs, I believe ARR has done a better job. While IR's BGMs blend well with only the situation, ARRs considers the situation, location and time period at which the story is happening, while composing the BGM.
  
  I believe that makes ARR better than IR or any other Indian composers. But still IR is a great composer.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.163) on: Fri Mar 12 04:26:31 EST 2004
  
  Prasanna & Guess Me...
  just imagine those who are critisizing ARR are for IR camp(not all of them have this sicko mind of course)...
  
  these "creatures" crawls to all ARR related thread and tries to spit venom in it..but one thing i realised the more they do this..the better project ARR is getting...
  
  so spit ur venom more please....
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Fri Mar 12 08:46:19 EST 2004
  
  Prasanna
  
  But take the films like VIKRAM. The ARABIC bgm attempt was TERRIBLE. I couldnt hear any ARABIC sounds, couldnt hear any arabic guitars or any arabian music. Even the song, in the palace, starts with arabic..and the 2nd para totally switches over to IR's western classical-tamil stuff. At the same time, listen to 'mein albeli' from Zubeida or 'Satrangire' from Dil se...the whole song, meant to be in arabic, doesnt deviate a bit. Right from choice of sounds to the style, it was very consistent throughout, and I hope you cant deny the quality of these songs as well.
  
  My view: Some ppl might see it different.. like Quality fusion. You just want to see only ARR's way of giving music
  
  Things like these make me feel Raja is a great musician but not a film composer who can give music to various situations/cultures apart from giving music to various emotions.
  
  You are the first one to tell.. thanks but cannot agree to it whether u like it or not.
  
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.243.41) on: Fri Mar 12 09:55:44 EST 2004
  
  ok..no probs...we are entitles to our opinions :)
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.243.41) on: Fri Mar 12 09:56:07 EST 2004
  
  *entitled
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Fri Mar 12 14:34:05 EST 2004
  
  Prasanna,
  
  "But take the films like VIKRAM. The ARABIC bgm attempt was TERRIBLE. I couldnt hear any ARABIC sounds, couldnt hear any arabic guitars or any arabian music. Even the song, in the palace, starts with arabic..and the 2nd para totally switches over to IR's western classical-tamil stuff. At the same time, listen to 'mein albeli' from Zubeida or 'Satrangire' from Dil se...the whole song, meant to be in arabic, doesnt deviate a bit. Right from choice of sounds to the style, it was very consistent throughout, and I hope you cant deny the quality of these songs as well"
  
  This was done by IR on days, Kamal has to have a dance in a movie or else producers won't buy. And you know for what beats Kamal use to dance. Assume IR giving full Arabic style in those days might have eliminated Kamal's proper dance sequence.
  
  Also IR does all this without breaking grammars of music. That's another great feather to his cap.
  
  Anyway as you said, everybody is entitled to have their opinion.
  
  Thiru,
  
  How many movies IR got after Thalapathi to give that quality of BGM. Very less. I would say in almost all of them he did good. That's why my point is he is indulging into non interested project to just see whether he would end up with good one. Most of the time he does average stuff because of that not because of lack of creativity
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.242.159) on: Fri Mar 12 15:08:25 EST 2004
  
  hmm...
  
  anyway, i dun agree with you on the point about him sticking to the grammar of music.
  
  Contemporary/pop music doesnt have any grammar.
  
  Even IR, had said in an interview, that rules can be broken, quoting the famous quote by Beethoven "Rules are my humble servants".
  
  I have that audio clip with me. www.raaja.com also has it. You can listen to that. He talks about how he converted Ninnukori varnam into a film song, etc.
  
  anyway, I respect IR for his sheer knowledge and his ability to do fusion between Carnatic and Western Classical and my favorite album is Nothing but Wind. I like IR for these reasons, than as a film composer.
  
  ofcourse, i am a die hard arr fan =)
  
  anyway, juz my opinion again.
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.242.159) on: Fri Mar 12 15:23:01 EST 2004
  
  anyway, I juz wanted to settle this thing about ARR. (Please dont bring IR in this discussion here).
  
  When we say ARR is unbelieveble in sounds..we are not talking about the kinda sounds, we have in GIRLFRIEND, or the electronic sounds we have in songs like 'Uyirin uyire'(I know dats by HJ).
  
  It is not because of all this.
  
  His approach to every album is to decide the sound of the album 1st, based on the theme/spirit of the movie. We have a distinct 'taal sound' or a 'rangeela sound'.
  
  Hear MEENAXI..the music is like modern art. esp. in songs like Dhuan Dhuan..which has indian percussions to it..also has jazzy sounds in it...and Asha Bhosle also sings some hindustani stuff in it. A well-composed Qawwali has techno sounds in it...but doesnt reduce the divinity of the number.
  
  He has given that kinda sound to it....no wonder the film's director is MF HUSSAIN!
  
  Please do the following. Listen to 'Nadiye nadiye' from Rhythm, 'Clum Clum' from En Swaasa Kaatre, 'Then Merkku Paruva kaatru' from Karuthamma, a bgm in Bombay...whats common to all this?..RAIN, WATER, MIST. and there are consistently 2-3 sounds used in all these songs.
  
  That is DISCIPLINE. His amazing discipline in sounds have brought him to greater heights. (anyway, this is just one example)
  
  not only harmony, sounds can convey emotions.
  
  The recent masterpiece, Warriors of heaven and Earth is a classic example. All are acoustic instruments, ranging from DIZI(Chinese), Taiko Drums , Erhu, east indian percussions ( in Dacoit Duel & Monk and the Miracle), apart from using the services of the Czech Orchestra.
  
  So, please dont say ARR is gr8 because of his synthesiser.
  
  anyway, juz my opinion again.
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.128.69) on: Fri Mar 12 16:52:08 EST 2004
  
  Anbe Sivam,
  He can't expect a movie of Hey rams budget everytime.
  You say he loses interest, i wanna ask you one thing?
  Will your boss pay well if he knows you lack motivation?
  Self improvement gurus say " do your job best and money and fame would take care to come to you" This is where ARR is better he doesn't give good music to just Maniratnam and Shankar.
  Even his albums with unknown directors have been good hits.
  Do we know who directed Mr.romeo or En swasa katrey? honestly i don't :)
  
  
• From: cn (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Fri Mar 12 17:06:18 EST 2004
  
  Anbe Sivam,
  
  "That's why my point is he is indulging into non interested project to just see whether he would end up with good one."
  
  The reason for IR's indifferent approach to TFM right from 1992 to until now, I guess, is that he DELIBRATELY UNDERPLAYING. Remember, on more than one occations, he has mentioned that what he has offered so far is only pickle and papads. May be he is waiting for some appropriate moment or for the audiences' grace for westernised songs to subside. Just a thought.
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.128.45) on: Fri Mar 12 17:19:41 EST 2004
  
  ..... or for the audiences' grace for westernised songs to subside
  
  Thats not going to happen, and why does he got to underplay for 12 years, i am sorry thats a zany thought.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.210.33.73) on: Mon Mar 15 07:32:48 EST 2004
  
  cn,
  
  is he underplaying for 12 yrs? may be in your opinion!
  
  listen to:
  aavaram poo
  devar magan
  ejamaan
  walter vetrivel
  marupadiyum
  siraichaalai
  veera
  heyram
  sathi leelavathi
  kalaignan
  mannan
  uzhaipazhi
  amaithipadai
  rajasthan
  I love india
  adharmam
  aathma
  kadhalukku mariyaathai
  raman abdullah
  veera thalattu
  karisa kaatu poovae
  nattupura pattu
  kummi pattu
  kolangal
  vanaja girija
  Avatharam
  mogamul
  devathai
  en raasavin manasilae
  aranmanai kili
  idhu namma boomi
  Friends
  bharathy
  kaasi
  azhagi
  en mana vaanil
  kannukul nilavu
  solla marantha kathai
  sethu
  pithamagan
  virumaandi
  Ramana
  marumalarchi
  Valli
  kumbakarai thangaiah
  Ivan
  Ponnumani
  thanga manasukaran...........
  
  Ive jus given a glimpse of the albums randomly which were released after Roja [AUG15-1992] was released.
  ive not included his other language hits, especially Telugu movies.
  so stop buying this Crap frm ARR fans that IR hasnt delivered in the past 12 yrs.
  there may be loads of flop albums by IR[ in that case even for ARR i cud provide a list of his flop albums]
  But if we r going to compare both in terms of total hit nos. ARR wud never stand anywhere near IR.
  
  This is also an answer to C~P for his comment in some other thread that 'it took one ARR to Bring IR frm thalapathi---->konji pesalam'. in this path ARR had to cross all this hurdles[ the movies which ive mentioned] and by the time ARR brought IR to konji pesalam other mediocre MD's Won over ARR while IR still holds his position with his recent Viru viru... 'Virumaandi'.
  After 12 long years ARR has finally understood he can never win over IR and confined himself with his most trusted HFM.
  When will these ARR fans understand this?
  
  If any of the ARR fans want to Get into an healthy/filthy discussion on this pls go ahead Iam ready for both:-).
  now try coming up with a comprehensive list of ARR's hit albums then come up with his total hit nos. go through the List ive provided... ull know the difference.
  Chinna~Payya eppa vayasukku vara pora?
  Radio settu pottu kalakidalam
  1.Sembavala muthukkala..
  serthuvacha rathinamae...
  else
  2.Poo pookum maasam
  
  
  
  
• From: googleraj (@ 161.114.1.182) on: Mon Mar 15 08:05:37 EST 2004
  
  All of the above albums have atleast one timeless song(understatement) which you can listen anytime without tiring.
  Something that cant be said for ARR's albums.
  
  

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