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AR Rahman is good than anyone in the cine(music) field.

Topic started by PACHEI TAMILAN (@ 210.195.72.222) on Sun Dec 29 11:22:14 EST 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

AR Rahman is a very talented music director .He is still the no>1 music director now comparing to others.
he has only a enemy in his field that is Harris Jeyaraj .Harris jeyaraj is Rahman's enemy not because he is good than AR0 Rahman but he is a copycat which always copies Rahman's music.

For the example : -

1.Adithadi Appatha (samurai) is copied from Tom Karuvil Erunthom (Star)

2.Poove vay pesum pothu(12B) is copied from Kandukondaen Kandukondaen(movie same)

3.Oh Mama Mama...(minnale) is a Rahman's tune but it had stealed by Harris Jeyaraj when he works with AR Rahman .

so,thats all the evidence of Harris jayaraj the great copycat.

AR RAHMAN IS THE GREATEST MUSIC DIRECTOR IN THE WHOLE INDIA.

vande mataram............

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• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Mar 11 16:29:15 EST 2004
  
  Anbe Sivam and Thiru,
  Though there is N number of sounds using synth, it does not hold good all the time.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Mar 11 16:38:36 EST 2004
  
  And for the matter of fact, Tell me how many times u heard repetitions to recognize immediately from IR songs in the say 20 year peak period (conservatively speaking)
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Fri Mar 12 00:05:12 EST 2004
  
  "warrios of heavan & earth can beat anytime,anything from ur IR"
  
  Ok, that seems like a plain rubber estate talking.
  
  
  "even ur IR cant compose a song like Roja until now,that shows how 'great' ur IR"
  
  another rubber estate statement.
  
  "all u can get a song from his Ona vida..... & some dappa songs!listen to rahman's Nani amma's song,IR would just have to keep his head down!"
  
  boy or boy! a total numbskull. just because you think you are bursting with hyper energy due to arr latest release, please do not impose your childishness onto others.
  
  it's better u stick to rubber estate.
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Fri Mar 12 00:06:32 EST 2004
  
  ""you can't expect much in an ARR thread afterall ;)"...yea..when u r ard...its sleeping time"
  
  yaaawn.....yes get out from here & dun come back :)
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.242.59) on: Fri Mar 12 00:10:59 EST 2004
  
  well, i agree with you on the non-tamil singers like lucky ali, etc singing in bad tamizh. But i wouldnt call it a deliberat attempt by ARR to make the album sell. He has just chosen Lucky Ali, as he liked his voice.
  
  Now, we dont put sadhana sargam and shreya ghosel in the same bracket as adnan sami and lucky ali, do we??...thats because, both these female singers' pronunciations are near to perfect, though they are from the north. Let us confine the discussion to musical abilities of ARR and IR.
  
  I tend to disagree with you on him being a better 'album' composer 1stly.
  
  For an MOVIE like BOYS, the kinda music required was perfectly given. I am just 18 years old, and I could feel the energy in the music and in the movie like mad. Not only me, you know the whole of youth went crazy. THATS EXACTLY WHAT THE MUSIC WAS SUPPOSED TO GIVE. The script of the movie cant accomodate melodies, etc. SA RE GA ME, being the MTV song, cant afford to have anything but heavy metal guitars in it. Well, when melody was required, we again had ALE ALE. and for God's sake, a song like DATING is too hard to percieve. Its so very carnatic, and still is accompanied by funky beats...the results are fabulous.
  
  Anyway, thats that with BOYS. Apart from that, ARR decides the kinda sound he wants for every movie and I feel, he is very much a script composer. Take for example, lagaan or taal or zubeida. Zubeida had ONLY acoustic instruments, lavish usage of strings, as the story was historical stuff. Same with lagaan. and one of ARR's best is DIL SE....you should observe the bgms. In all the scenes in Ladakh, we could hear Tibetian sounds and music. and whoosh..you have MG SREEKUMAR singing in malayalam in Kerala...
  
  infact, I think IR hasnt done justice to several of his films, which demanded a script oriented music. (I love IR's classy bgms in several movies like Punnagai Mannan, Moondram Pirai, Heyram, etc.).
  
  But take the films like VIKRAM. The ARABIC bgm attempt was TERRIBLE. I couldnt hear any ARABIC sounds, couldnt hear any arabic guitars or any arabian music. Even the song, in the palace, starts with arabic..and the 2nd para totally switches over to IR's western classical-tamil stuff. At the same time, listen to 'mein albeli' from Zubeida or 'Satrangire' from Dil se...the whole song, meant to be in arabic, doesnt deviate a bit. Right from choice of sounds to the style, it was very consistent throughout, and I hope you cant deny the quality of these songs as well.
  
  I still remember the old tamil film, ANAND...supposed to have peppy tracks(BOYS then mayb)...and Raja's efforts are disappointing. Tracks like I WANT TO TELL YOU SOMETHING, etc...are very disappointing.
  
  In movies like 'Pudu Pudu Arthangal', the situations when sitara and rahuman are in GOA, and even the song 'Guruvayurappa'(a good song though) had ZERO elements of GOA/beach side feel in it(it was shot alongside a beach anyway).
  
  even the bgms(when sitara and rahuman are in GOA)dint bother to take note of the place/situation. On the contrary, take the song 'July Madam Vandaal' from Pudhiya Mugam or 'Signore' from Kannathil...the feel was conveyed beautifully.
  
  Things like these make me feel Raja is a great musician but not a film composer who can give music to various situations/cultures apart from giving music to various emotions.
  
  sorry for the loong post..hopefully, we can kep the discussion going. n i will reply to the 'synth sounds producing variations' allegation on ARR shortly. :)
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.163) on: Fri Mar 12 01:28:06 EST 2004
  
  "yaaawn.....yes get out from here & dun come back :)"
  
  aaah i see...so u want to be in ARR thread...good..
  u r really so much concerned abt ARR ...coz i don't think even the HCARRF will visit each and every single thread containing his name...but u WILL!...wow....what a commitment...
  
  ha ha ha
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.131.121) on: Fri Mar 12 02:09:27 EST 2004
  
  Yes ARR has used more Northies than any MD but apart from Udit narayans songs, Boom boom by adnan sami how many were unbearable Tamil kolai? May be 10-15 songs out of 700 are not that bad, at least i feel so.
  
  "At the end, I am not disputing ARR talent. What all I am saying he will be much better in Individual Album than movies given the freedom of expression in Album. That's all. "
  
  Did you consider the quantity work by IR, which sometimes lacked Quality? I differ with you.
  Just think about the traits of these two MDs, Its impossible to sound new every time for the number of songs IR created, while ARR made less songs but he worked more on every song, i am sure ARR would have bite the dust had he made 25-30 movies a year, Webber and Bollywood would just not care to notice.
  This is where i feel IR was opioninated, listen to Ramanas BGM they are good but not great, just listen to Hey rams BGM bits
  Kamal kills the Muslim tailor, gets to see the blind child, also Kamal vasundara das scenes at Ram leela festival, the BGM reflected the emotions - it had the variations finally the subtleness.
  IR should have done more this kinda quality work after Thalapathy.
  ARR came to the field by catering for younger audience, they still expect a lot from him, but what do people expect from IR not definitely a konji pesalam or friends, which he has done many times before, i think he took himself for granted and what’s surprising he still has his conviction.
  
  Prasanna,
  For the number of films IR was doing during Vikram days, it’s impossible to get to the finer details, he might have done it few times but not every time.
  
  
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Fri Mar 12 02:52:28 EST 2004
  
  "And your reply is nothing but a series of sweeping generalisations like, ppl who say that, appreciate Deva and SAR, etc etc. You also suddenly came to the conclusion that I am not aware of the difference between a composer and an arranger. GOSH!"
  
  generalising eh...what do you call this?......"ARR is definitely a better film composer than IR"
  
  and your logic to explain your above statement is only logic to yourself.
  
  "Lemme tell you, its just not enough to compose a tune and leave it at that"
  
  My dear friend, this(together with writing musical notations) are the very first quality of a composer. ARR doesn't have that.
  
  "Presentation of songs are terribly important. It is in the arrangement of a song, where the MD has his stamp many times."
  
  This is only second to tunesmith. And who says IR can't present. Out of 850 movies and 'millions' of his songs, you point out 1 or 2? If you are going to point out some more, please include his bgm. I would wanna hear on that too.
  
  "SEL, ARR and IR are their own arrangers. (for your information, IR arranges his songs too!) and thats why, we know if it IR or ARR or SEL once we listen to the songs!"
  
  SEL, ARR, HJ, Vidyasagar, all the other present day hindi trash and wat nought.....are just musicians. Get it? They are arrangers who come up with some tune and spend the next few days and nights decorating it. People can't do that last time because the technology wasn't there. That is why you didn't see so many trash back then. Now, it's all too easy. The tech has made it such a way that anyone who invests time can be a musician. Isn't the modern day barrage of trash out there evident enuf?
  
  "The interludes have electric guitars with some funky beats, immediately followed by a mouthorgan!!! HAHAHA...cmon man, thats a pathetic combo of sounds! Hear the song, it'll sound so childish. Now, that didnt help much in the success of the song."
  
  You very sure abt the success/failure of this song? Please seek out facts before talking rubbish.
  
  "again here, dont have your definitions of composer and arranger. For any form of music, presentation is key to its succes...so, if ARR can arrange better and has a better exotic sound quality, thats an added feather in his cap."
  
  Songs being good in presentation last for 1 day and songs being successful due its compositional elements(melody, orchestration, instrumentaion, etc) lasts forever.
  
  "Dude, I have listened to IR's Lajja more than you. I have all the tracks with me. I have listened to IR's Nothing But Wind and How to Name it, more than you....you juz need not teach me to do those things."
  
  Dude/Dudette, good that you have heard all these more than me. So it should be all the more easier for you to agree that ARR's WOHE is nothing compared to IR's Lajja. Right?
  
  "You seem to be a fanatic, and you lack clarity of thought."
  
  If i'm that, then why aren't you addressing the so many here who are ARR fanatic and lacking clarity?
  
  My dear friend, the whole world is full of hypocrytes. You know that & I know that. So do remember that when you issue out statements like this.
  
  "Fine, keep admiring IR and enjoy his future projects! have fun!"
  
  You really think I need this from you for me to enjoy IR's music?
  
  
• From: x (@ 128.88.255.122) on: Fri Mar 12 03:04:02 EST 2004
  
  AR RAHMAN IS NOT THE GREATEST MUSIC DIRECTOR is a SOUND ENGINEER only.
  
  

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