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AR Rahman is good than anyone in the cine(music) field.

Topic started by PACHEI TAMILAN (@ 210.195.72.222) on Sun Dec 29 11:22:14 EST 2002.
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AR Rahman is a very talented music director .He is still the no>1 music director now comparing to others.
he has only a enemy in his field that is Harris Jeyaraj .Harris jeyaraj is Rahman's enemy not because he is good than AR0 Rahman but he is a copycat which always copies Rahman's music.

For the example : -

1.Adithadi Appatha (samurai) is copied from Tom Karuvil Erunthom (Star)

2.Poove vay pesum pothu(12B) is copied from Kandukondaen Kandukondaen(movie same)

3.Oh Mama Mama...(minnale) is a Rahman's tune but it had stealed by Harris Jeyaraj when he works with AR Rahman .

so,thats all the evidence of Harris jayaraj the great copycat.

AR RAHMAN IS THE GREATEST MUSIC DIRECTOR IN THE WHOLE INDIA.

vande mataram............

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• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Thu Mar 11 04:00:14 EST 2004
  
  "Well said."
  
  So many ppl who have said this before have disappeared :)
  
  
  "ARR is definitely a better film composer than IR"
  
  People who can give this kinda statements are those who can appreciate Deva & SAR.
  
  For a start, you can't even tell a difference between a composer and an arranger.
  
  Everyone knows how long ARR takes to do one song or a piece of music. You can't call a person who arranges a tune and then spends a few nights putting one layer on top of another on top pf another a composer.
  
  Go and find out about how IR composes and you'll know.
  
  Now go and listen to Warriors of Heaven and Earth released by Sony label and then listen to Lajja at Raajangahm website.
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.163) on: Thu Mar 11 05:22:35 EST 2004
  
  yea yea...yaaawn....this lullaby is good...
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 203.117.10.18) on: Thu Mar 11 05:59:06 EST 2004
  
  agree wif you yawn.
  you can't expect much in an ARR thread afterall ;)
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.105) on: Thu Mar 11 07:18:25 EST 2004
  
  ambleen,rahman takes time thats y he is in the TOP now,ur IR composes fast thats y he is the LAST now!
  
  
• From: dinesh (@ 210.186.42.105) on: Thu Mar 11 07:21:09 EST 2004
  
  warrios of heavan & earth can beat anytime,anything from ur IR,even ur IR cant compose a song like Roja until now,that shows how 'great' ur IR,all u can get a song from his Ona vida..... & some dappa songs!listen to rahman's Nani amma's song,IR would just have to keep his head down!
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.163) on: Thu Mar 11 07:51:26 EST 2004
  
  "you can't expect much in an ARR thread afterall ;)"...yea..when u r ard...its sleeping time
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.242.34) on: Thu Mar 11 08:57:23 EST 2004
  
  ok...
  
  Its just impossible to talk to you, as there are no grounds for a debate. You just keep making your own generalisations, and you simply dont care to qualify them.
  
  I tried to make myself very clear, when I said why ARR is better than IR in film composing, by stressing out the logic with an example.
  
  And your reply is nothing but a series of sweeping generalisations like, ppl who say that, appreciate Deva and SAR, etc etc. You also suddenly came to the conclusion that I am not aware of the difference between a composer and an arranger. GOSH!
  
  Lemme tell you, its just not enough to compose a tune and leave it at that. Presentation of songs are terribly important. It is in the arrangement of a song, where the MD has his stamp many times. SEL, ARR and IR are their own arrangers. (for your information, IR arranges his songs too!) and thats why, we know if it IR or ARR or SEL once we listen to the songs!
  
  Let me quote an example where bad arrangement/selection of sounds could destroy a song.
  
  Take the song 'Thendral Varum Vazhiye' from FRIENDS, by IR. The song has a decent tune, which could have been a big hit. It was just a mediocre hit...reason being...
  
  The interludes have electric guitars with some funky beats, immediately followed by a mouthorgan!!! HAHAHA...cmon man, thats a pathetic combo of sounds! Hear the song, it'll sound so childish. Now, that didnt help much in the success of the song.
  
  again here, dont have your definitions of composer and arranger. For any form of music, presentation is key to its succes...so, if ARR can arrange better and has a better exotic sound quality, thats an added feather in his cap.
  
  Dude, I have listened to IR's Lajja more than you. I have all the tracks with me. I have listened to IR's Nothing But Wind and How to Name it, more than you....you juz need not teach me to do those things.
  
  You seem to be a fanatic, and you lack clarity of thought.
  
  Fine, keep admiring IR and enjoy his future projects! have fun!
  
  
  
• From: prasanna (@ 61.247.242.34) on: Thu Mar 11 08:58:22 EST 2004
  
  and plzzz...WOHE is a BRILLIANT album. You are a biased personality then.
  
  
• From: Ilayaraja (@ 137.73.8.3) on: Thu Mar 11 09:22:22 EST 2004
  
  ARR is GOD!!Janaganmana song from AE tells it..He is the greatest gift to mankind
  
  
• From: C~P (@ 61.95.159.16) on: Thu Mar 11 09:28:43 EST 2004
  
  Rabindranath Tagore-ku eppadi andha kaalathulaye ARR paththi theriya vandhuchu??! ;-)
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.131.49) on: Thu Mar 11 10:54:14 EST 2004
  
  Well said.
  
  So many ppl who have said this before have disappeared :)
  
  Ambleen,
  They disappear cos they understand you well :)
  And how come you say fans of ARR like SAR and deva, poi oru oru aala pathu intha information gather pannigala.
  you could have spent the time asking pichai for TIS.
  Please keep the stupidity on we need some fun.
  Thanks.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 170.146.91.6) on: Thu Mar 11 13:36:46 EST 2004
  
  Prasanna,
  I guess coming to a generalization like ARR is the best in film music is not correct i guess
  even if you say that the sounds were emphatic!!, that is coz you like HIS type of music.
  My point of view, IR and ARR have different styles, and that we have to think on the evolving technologies that make it better.. sound technology has improved since, but Quality has some core elements to it, which goes back to harmony, and tunes, and sometimes complexities.
  
  I like the approach ARR takes towards that harmony, but still like IR's presentation of Simplicity of the Complex
  
  And please dont generalize ARR is better than IR in film music. We have to see the back ground scores, and nevertheless IR has been basking in glory mostly in TFM more than other Film Music world, that surely does not make him the worst.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Thu Mar 11 14:26:25 EST 2004
  
  Prasanna,
  
  I agree ARR is consistent in giving musical hits with songs. But I would say he is a much better album composer than cine music composer. I say it because in cine music you have some boundaries and I often see him giving songs out of context.(i.e.) In Boys all the boys are tamil boys and all the singers are non tamils. Just to make difference and sell the album,he did this.
  
  IR is very good in sticking to the boundary but yet giving hits. His recent Virumandi and PM is good example. I would say IR is the best cine music composer and ARR is best album music composer(even though he has not embarked in this area)
  
  Dinesh!
  
  I don't know why you look down on Onne Vida from Virumandi. It has genius and brilliance written all over it. While ARR gave a melody with all the new sounds in his Arsenal in KKS, IR proved it he could do it with simple instruments but effective. Hear to Adada from PM and how he created such musical variations without resorting to synth. For me it is only proof that IR still has creativity intact(after 850 movies), but he is disinterested in most of the projects he gets.
  
  Just because somebody looks down on your ARR, you don't have to do the same mistake.
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.132.155) on: Thu Mar 11 15:06:02 EST 2004
  
  Adada was heard 7 years back in the promo of Siraichalai, the beats sounding like from a "Udukai" is common couldn't IR have used someother thing!
  
  Then why did IR use Asha bhonsle to sing Shenbagamey a tamil folk song?
  In the movie Virumaandi All the songs are sung by shreya gosal who rose to fame from Devadas baire piya song, why can't IR use a good tamil singer? And why these double standards!
  
  
• From: thiru (@ 210.214.132.155) on: Thu Mar 11 15:10:17 EST 2004
  
  "In Boys all the boys are tamil boys and all the singers are non tamils. Just to make difference and sell the album,he did this. "
  
  Anbe sivam,
  you've said this a few times, In boys the band is not singing in the road like Vikramans pudu vasantham or any theru vilaku kutcheries, they are singing in MTV asia awards so its ok if their tamil is westernized.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Thu Mar 11 16:01:20 EST 2004
  
  Thiru,
  
  Tamil words can be westernized not the slang. I know I have told it a few times, but that is truth too.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Thu Mar 11 16:06:36 EST 2004
  
  Thiru,
  
  That way IR used Malayalam singer Chitra, Telugu Singer SPB.
  
  I am not talking about that. But listen to their pronounciations. Atleast they are 90% close to Tamil singers. Definitely IR did not use Udit Narayanan.
  
  Asha Bhonsle and Lata Mangeshkar singing in Tamil is probably the desire of IR to mark a respect or even to say to himself that he worked with those great singers. It was a gesture of respect and I agree he compromized on prounciations there. But overall if you look at IR's work, music will go with movie and singers will be choosen accordingly.
  
  This is where ARR deviate and let us call spade as spade without personal attachment.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Thu Mar 11 16:08:54 EST 2004
  
  Thiru,
  
  In Adada it is not just udukai. The entire orchestration is different and good, but yet native.
  
  That is what I am trying to say.
  
  
• From: Anbe sivam (@ 206.102.161.11) on: Thu Mar 11 16:21:26 EST 2004
  
  Hi! Thiru!
  
  "Tamil words can be westernized not the slang."
  
  What I meant is in the same movie Paal Poolay is acceptable. It is tamil song sung with stylish tamil prounication. There is difference between Tamil guy singing stylish tamil than somebody singing tamil without knowing tamil. While first one confirms to nativity considering the subject of the movie and second is not.
  
  Also I found saying he has used same udukai. When some MD is sticking to natural instrument, he has a limited choice. Tabla, Mirudangam, Thavil, ukukkai etc. You can't expect different sounds from IR. While ARR uses synth, he can have n number of variations in sound.
  
  At the end, I am not disputing ARR talent. What all I am saying he will be much better in Individual Album than movies given the freedom of expression in Album. That's all.
  
  
  

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