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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

1.Vedha:i know he always go for a hindi tune in his films(mostly for Modern theatres).No alterations! he just copy a full hindi song !

best examble:Manam ennum medai mele(Gil tho ye kulu yahag)

2.MSV: i hear that(from Sujatha's book"Neerkumiligal") "thulluvatho elamai" was a song copied from english to almost all famous indian langages.Is there any other songs MSV copied?

3.Illayaraja:Even the GOD of MUSIC Raja sir did some thing like this.He just used that "I love you"style from BOneyM Sunny for "darling darling"in priya.I have heard a totally same song like "Kanavu kanum valkkai yavum" in Hindi also.(i forgot the film).

and i dont know who is the MD for the song"ehu pal vadiyum mugam! ethai parpathu than sugam".But i heard the same song in an english film.

4.ARR : i was told from my friends that he did copying intelligently.drum beats and some music styels from cassettes like "enigma,ace of base".And the humming before the song "thillana thillana" is a 100%copy from the film"the island of Dr.Mozeru".

5.SA Rajkumar : a lot of help from hindi! best example "mallikai puve malligai puve parthaya" from "didi tera thevaru thevana"

5.DEVA:hee..hee..the master.(better we see how many songs he did on his own instead of seeing how many songs he copied!)

like wise there is a lot of songs are copied from Tamil to Hindi also..

Now its your turn friends....

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• From: STS (@ firewall.baan.com) on: Tue Mar 7 19:31:56 EST 2000
  
  STS,
  
  As far as I know Kumudham brought an article about ARR's copying. Anyone clarify this?
  
  Regards
  
  STS
  
  
• From: STS (@ firewall.baan.com) on: Tue Mar 7 19:32:13 EST 2000
  
  SK,
  
  As far as I know Kumudham brought an article about ARR's copying. Anyone clarify this?
  
  Regards
  
  STS
  
  
• From: sk (@ boo.ucar.edu) on: Tue Mar 7 21:49:21 EST 2000
  
  STS:
  
  In the issue dated 24 Feb (page 120) Kumudham wrote
  a silly note about IR's copying. To me it simply
  looked like a cheap shot that Kumudham took on IR.
  I will write the exact wordings later when I go home.
  
  
• From: Keemu (@ 98a74946.ipt.aol.com) on: Tue Mar 7 23:45:03 EST 2000
  
  The song 'sona sona' from 'Vaali' was copied from 'Club Culture'!! but for Deva its Copy Culture!! ;-))
  
  
• From: chandy (@ ws025038.coba.siu.edu) on: Wed Mar 8 00:12:21 EST 2000
  
  I remember reading the article about ARR's copying in kumudam.. it was written by a reader, and it was NOT an article written by someone from kumudam who did some groundwork on that issue. The article has more fluff than stuff. May be, the recent kumudam article could be something similar. These mags rake up such issues once in a bluemoon just to increase their circulation by teeny-weeny bits.
  
  I'd appreciate if someone could post the contents of the kumudam article here
  
  
• From: jp (@ 207.14.254.162) on: Wed Mar 8 04:47:08 EST 2000
  
  
  
  keemu,
  
  the song 'sona sona' from vaali is a copy of 'susanna'. is it by 'club culture' ? i thought it was by 'art company'...
  
  
  
• From: MR (@ apollo.pointbase.com) on: Wed Mar 8 14:50:06 EST 2000
  
  Can someone give the link to 'Susanna'?
  
  
• From: Bramathalam (@ ) on: Tue Mar 21 23:11:01 EST 2000
  
  "Kandukonden Kandukonden" by Hariharan is a lift from "Chinna Kannan Azhaikiran" by Balamuralikrishna. Atleast list to the starting of the song.
  
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ hlr-42-49.tm.net.my) on: Tue Mar 21 23:30:15 EST 2000
  
  I said this b4. Let me repeat. The vaasal vandha vennilavu allavaa... bit in Sona Sona is a direct lift from the chinese new year song Gong Xi Gong Xi .... Malaysians and Singaporians would readily agree. Anybody heard this song in the net? (I mean the Gong Xi one)
  
  
• From: vkrish (@ 202.9.144.3) on: Sun Mar 26 12:57:10 EST 2000
  
  Hi All
  
  Every MD's has a Style of copying there own songs.
  Some do it with a purpose, but some do it due to
  dearth of tunes.
  
  IR :
  ----
  
  If any great music flops, just because of lyrics, he is a genious to make it a hit.
  
  (Eg) 1. Kuyilukuppam Kuyillukuppam Gopuram aavadhenna.. - flop
  Thooliyilay aadavandha vaanatthu minvillakkay.. - Hit
  
  2. Ennadi muniyamma un kannila... Flop
  Ottha ruba thaaren ... - Hit
  
  3. Sariya Sariya ennai kathalitthathu - A big
  flop that went almost unnoticed.
  Kuzhaloratthil oru thodiyambookam - A malayalam song in the movie 'Adharmam' was a great hit that fetched several Awards.
  
  
  ARR :
  ----
  
  A genious to recycle or remix a same type of music again and again and again in different languages.
  
  1. Pacchai kiligal tholodu... gave a birth to
  chutthi chutthi vandhenga..in Padiappa.
  2. Kuchi Kuchi Rakkamma ... again in
  a song in JODI. ( I forgot the lyrics)
  3. Vennilavay, vennilavay again in song in PUKAR.
  4. A variety of his BGMs taking the form of a Song
  in his next movies.
  
  S.A.Rajkumar
  ------------
  
  Needless to say, he maintains a record in remixing his own [Pattu onnu naan Padattuma] style of music
  right from his first film to upto date.
  
  And familiar hindi film beats gets a takeoff in his tamil films.
  
  eg. Deedhi tera deev.. deevana... (as)
  Malliga poovay Malliga poovay parthayaa..
  
  
  DEVA
  ----
  
  Master of all. Why to copy his own songs while a plenty are available thro' out the world.
  
  Mr.Xerox has straight lifted several songs, but he
  is a speacialist in remixing the same to a definite hit.
  
  Eg. Buffalow Soldier -> Akila Akila..
  Get down Get Down -> Oh Nenje Nenje..
  ........ I think if I continue the list the
  space will not fit.
  
  I think, his continuous Lifts.. Spoils the great tradition of Tamil film Musics.
  
  Any Openion.
  
  Vkay
  
  
  
  
  
• From: guru (@ 38.230.26.215) on: Tue Mar 28 13:17:24 EST 2000
  
  Hi
  The song "enna vilai azhaghe" of ARR from kadhalar dinam is a dito copy of MSV's "thanga radatin malee"
  
  
• From: guru (@ 38.230.26.215) on: Tue Mar 28 13:19:38 EST 2000
  
  The first beat before "kuluvalilay" is not as said before but is exact replica of Michale jacksons "BELE Jean"
  
  
• From: arr_ir (@ l-coe043.win.icaen.uiowa.edu) on: Wed Mar 29 20:31:15 EST 2000
  
  ok, ARR obviously lifted the beats for "mukkabla mukkabla" from some afro-american guy ..some Dr. something ..
  IR is nothing behind I think ..
  the first flute bit that comes in "geetanjali" "amani padave" (in telugu) is taken from one more telugu movie"sirivennela" where hariprasad chourasia gave the piece..
  then in "apoorva sahodargal", the "bababaa bababbare" bit where the dwarf sings a song is a straight lift from a 70's english song ..
  also if there's a telugu guy there, in one of chiru's movies there's this very nice song "subhalekha rasukunna edalo epudo" (cavorts with radha) whose tune is a slight change of "ek din bik jayega maathi ka mol" ...
  Deva anyway is a GOD in copying .. tamil anu malik..
  
  
• From: Jagdish. M (@ gw-nl1.philips.com) on: Thu Mar 30 01:22:15 EST 2000
  
  guru,
  
  i had the same thing in my mind. actually whenever i listen to MJ's Billie Jean song it reminds of Kuluvaliley. Also "Telephone MAni pol" from INDIAN has the same beat as MJ's "All I want to say is that They dont really care about us".
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.26.235) on: Thu Mar 30 09:12:45 EST 2000
  
  arr_ir:
  
  English songs are the most original. Among the Indian MDs, only the old hindi directors are original. ARR and IR keep lifting tunes from these sources left and right, right ?
  
  Some cannot understand/ some donot understand/some will never desire to understand.hmmm..
  
  
• From: Kamesh (@ 202.188.222.10) on: Thu Mar 30 09:28:42 EST 2000
  
  Some cannot understand/ some donot understand/some will never desire to understand.hmmm..
  
  MS how about You?
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ daecfp01.sprint.com) on: Thu Mar 30 11:25:45 EST 2000
  
  arr ir:
  
  You are referring to 'vidHaatha talapula' from sirivennala for which the prelude was (reportedly) played by HPC. Apart fom both aamani paadavEy and vidHaatha have flute preludes, there is nothing in common (in terms of notes) for these two songs. And by the way, there are tons of songs which have flute preludes. If you want to talk about copy give a) specific examples and b) describe the exact notes/sections/phrases which are similar. Don't make vague accusations and, more important, don't quote hearsay passer-by comments without confirming the same.
  
  'subHalEkha raasukunna' is not at all similar to 'ik din bik jaayEgaa maati kE mOl'. No this is not an opinion, it is a fact.
  Sometimes it is better to be silent and let others think that you are ignorant, than to speak up and remove all doubt!!!
  
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.24.7) on: Thu Mar 30 14:57:55 EST 2000
  
  Kamesh :
  
  Self realization has not come into me yet :-) I think you have misunderstood the overtone in my posting.. It is meant for arr_ir :-) I have just written what G has tried, though in a different way.
  
  
• From: haris (@ inet-fw4-o.oracle.com) on: Thu Mar 30 16:12:40 EST 2000
  
  jagdish,
  
  its NOT 'all i want to say is' it is 'all that she wants ' by ace of base..
  
  
• From: eden (@ 202.54.71.146) on: Thu Mar 30 23:53:33 EST 2000
  
  `pudhu mAppiLLaikku, nalla nEramadA'(Apoorva sahodhararkal) is a recycle of `nAn pArthadhilE' (anbE vA) as admitted by Raja himself, I think...
  
  
• From: hari (@ wwwproxy.iitm.ac.in) on: Fri Mar 31 13:53:40 EST 2000
  
  to eden
  
  it wasnt admitted by raja or anything, gangai amaran said in an interview that raaja composed the song using the same meter ( basically i dont have fundaes, can anyone explain ) something like you can sing pudhu mapillaikku with the lyrics of naan paarthadhile...(and vice versa of course)
  
  hari
  
  
• From: rameshb (@ 38.169.12.41) on: Fri Mar 31 14:43:59 EST 2000
  
  I think only the pallavi is set on the same meter, the rest of the song (Charanam 1 and 2) are different. nAn pArthathile pallavi fits very well to the tune of pudhu mAppillaikku , hallmark of a subtle improvisation in the melody :-) IR has done it with a midas touch :-) Nevertheless, i don't see any covetous attempt being made in this regard for want of creativity.
  
  
• From: Raj (@ pdxss902.pdx.intel.com) on: Fri Mar 31 15:05:21 EST 2000
  
  IR admitted that he did recycle 'nan parthadadhile'. He did this in one of the concerts
  and mentioned this to tell the public that music
  is just cheating and he gave this song as an
  example. He said Kamal wanted a song like 'Nan
  parthadadhile'. IR immediately came up with this
  tune. Kamal liked it and IR later told him that
  he used the same song Kamal mentioned to come up
  with the new tune.
  
  

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