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Topic started by TFM Group on Tue Jan 27 15:47:28 EST 1998.
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• From: Sridhar K (@ elmo.nordstrom.com) on: Tue Oct 19 13:06:21 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori,
  
  Do you expect majestic characters to deliver their dialogues like Manirathnam's dialogues - in the most soft and docile manner. The power & glory of all our mythological films is due to the high powered delivery of long and delightful dialogues. If you think Nadigar Thilagam goes overboard, did you not enjoy his performance in the court scene of 'Tiruvilaiyaadal'. Films in those days had a style of their own. Nadigar Thilagam has mellowed down a lot, in tune with the changing times (Devar Magan, Mudhal mariyadhai..). It was the style in those days. In those days, we had people who could pen such powerful dialogues and it did require someone like NT (Nadigar thilagam) to liven up the proceedings. It is a pity that in these days good dialogue seem to be Manirathnam's mono-syllables.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ user-33qtigb.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Thu Oct 21 00:25:52 EDT 1999
  
  Sriram Lakshmanan: Thanks for the songs. There is also a song with Seergazhi, TMS and PBS. I cant quite recall the words, but it has the three voices representing Hinduism, Islam and Christianity. Anybody remember that song? Is there any other song that involves all 4 of these singers?
  
  Sridhar: Your viewpoint is interesting, to say the least. I consider Mahabharata as the finest piece of literature ever because of its high powered characters and their actions. For you, the power comes from long winded dialogs. It is also interesting to see that you admit no middle ground between one liners and artificially long winded dialogs.
  
  As for as Sivaji and Thiruvilaiyadal, my answer is no. What is interesting to me is the character and dialogs of Nagesh with APN and Sivaji taking a second place. I mean, dialogues like "Pizhai Irukkiradha? Appadi endral pizhaikku etrar pol panatthai kazhitthuk kondu michhap panatthai kodukkalame" and "Ungalaip pol irandu per - vendam neer oruvare podhum - irundhal ulagam uruppadum" are the ones I enjoyed most and remember. "Sangaruppadhu engal kulam Sankaranarkku edhu kulam?" etc. arent the keystone dialog of that scene. The dialogs of Nagesh arent "high powered" by your definition. They use ordinary words. Nagesh doesnt overact. yet he provides the most enjoyable piece of comedy in a long time.
  
  Sivaji is on the borderline - his acting reminds one of a megalomaniac who is so sure of himself. It could be argued that that is the right interpreation of playing god.
  
  
• From: NOV (@ bkj-cache81.jaring.my) on: Thu Oct 21 01:32:35 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori - Aarodum mannil endrum from Pazhani has at least three of that voices.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ spider-tr043.proxy.aol.com) on: Thu Oct 21 02:06:39 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori, the song you are referring to is 'Devan vanthaan devan vanthaan kuzhanthai vadivile....paappa deiva paappa..'. Don't know the movie. Can't recollect any other song with all these 4 singers.
  
  
• From: Bhakser (@ ppp-89-114.bng.vsnl.net.in) on: Thu Oct 21 03:20:40 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoor, Sriram Lakshman:
  
  dEvan vanthAn is from kaNNE pAppA, if I remember correctly.
  
  
• From: sk (@ boo.ucar.edu) on: Thu Oct 21 04:44:03 EDT 1999
  
  'kuzhandhaikkAga' is the movie.
  
  
• From: babygirl (@ tsk-35-38.tm.net.my) on: Thu Oct 21 11:47:24 EDT 1999
  
  where can i get email adresses of actors vijay, surya, prasanth, ajith and othersand how to be come fan club of vijay, surya, prasanth.
  please helpp as i don know wheere to get them from
  
  
• From: Sridhar K (@ elmo.nordstrom.com) on: Fri Oct 22 19:46:12 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori:
  
  Nobody denies the fact that Mahabharatham is a great epic. The point of discussion here is the film 'Karnan' and your initial point of view was that Sivaji was also one to have contributed to the film's downfall, by his overbearing acting.
  
  I never said that 'Mahabharatham' (the epic per say) gets the power from dialogues. My observations were purely towards the film. These are not long, wieldy, artificial dialogues. If you say so, one could easily intepret that you do attach the same judgement on the dialogues of classics like 'Parasakthi', 'Manohara', 'Veerapandia Kattabomman' and scores of other old films. It is etched in history that it was Sivaji who gave life to these great dialogues. The credit goes as much to the person penning them, as to the person who gives life to them on screen. Modern times have seen a change in the way dialogues are written. My point of argument was never to say that old fashioned dialogue is the greatest. My point of view is simple: Sivaji by his toweing presence, acting and dialogue delivery has given life to scores of films.
  
  It has been a modern trend, in the current days of Mani's mono-syllables, to attack anything that does not fit today's context.
  
  Coming to your point, nobody denies that Nagesh stole the limelight in the court scenes.
  
  To truly understand what all Sivaji had done (apart from your single track idea that he shouts!!), I suggest you see:
  
  - Sabash Meena
  - Baley Pandia
  - Uttama Puthiran
  - Deiva Magan
  - Tillana Moganambal
  ....the list is endless.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.2.109) on: Sat Oct 23 01:16:02 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori and Sridhar:
  
  I am trying to imagine how thiruviLaiyAdal
  will be with Mani Rathnam replacing APN as director and
  Aravind Samy replacing Sivaji G as Siva Perumaan. :-)))))
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ user-33qtiq1.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Sun Oct 24 19:04:49 EDT 1999
  
  Sridhar: We are digressing further and further from the topic, but I cant resist arguing about Sivaji. Yes, I hv seen all the movies you mentioned. For example, take Thillana M. Nagesh is outstanding. Sivaji and Padmini ham throughout the movie. I mean, you just hv to see Sivaji and Nagesh together in any scene to see how natural N is and how artificial Sivaji is. Many old timers say that Sivaji was constrained by the expectations of the audience. The audience defined acting as this dialog dominated and ensuring that facial expressions changed every second. Well, people like SV Ranga Rao, Nagesh, Baliah acted in the same era and they dont hv to resort to this!
  
  Take Bale Pandia. MR Radha has an over the top role - somewhat like Groucho Marx. He does it much more ably than Sivaji in all hamming roles!
  
  Utthama Putthiran - Sivaji does a great job as the bad twin. Thats what great acting is all about - knowing when to go overboard and knowing when not to.
  
  Sabash Meena? You must be kidding. Chandra babu does a great job as the rickshaw puller.
  
  Dhieva Magan: I really like the younger sons role. It looks quiet natural.
  
  Regarding the modern trend: If the old movies are evaluated by the accepted standards of acting then, they will be re-evaluated by todays standards.Great actors do transcend this time limitation and give timeless performances. Groucho is still enjoyable. I keep seeing Dr. Strangelove, Kadhalikka Neramillai, Jane Bhi Do Yaro, Ikiru, Aparajito, Dead Poets Soceity AND Kappalottiya Thamizhan!
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ user-33qthce.dialup.mindspring.com) on: Sun Oct 24 19:59:11 EDT 1999
  
  SK: Maniratnams Thiruvilayadal
  
  Vadivelu is Dharumi, Raghuvaran is Pandian, AS is Sivan and Maniratnam is Nakkerar.
  
  Nakkerar: Pizhai.
  Dharumi: Kuraitthuk Kollungal.
  N: Thavarukku parisa?
  D: Umakkenna?
  N: Paattai ezhudiadhu?
  D: Naanedhan. Mandapatthil kidaikkavillai.
  N: Porul enna?
  D: Mannarukkuk kooda vilangivittadhe?
  N: Porul solliaga vendum.
  D: Uruppada maatteer!
  
  
• From: Mani Rathnam (@ 137.132.2.109) on: Sun Oct 24 22:27:54 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori:
  
  Sorry. There is too much dialogue!
  
  
• From: Continued MR Version (@ spider-wk064.proxy.aol.com) on: Mon Oct 25 13:38:29 EDT 1999
  
  Maniratnam's Thiruvilayadal...
  
  Nakkeerar: kuRRam.
  Dharumi: sol? poruL?
  N: poruL.
  D: enna?!!
  N: poruL enna?
  D: theriyavillai?
  N: umadhaa?
  D: emadhE.
  N: poruL?
  D: edhaRku?
  N: parisu?
  D: vENdaam.
  * * *
  Sivan: pizai?
  Nakkeerar: pizai.
  S: sol? poruL?
  N: sol poruL.
  S: iyaRkai.
  N: seyaRkai.
  S: umavukkum?
  N: umavukkum.
  S: nakkeeraa!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  N: neRRikkaN? ha! kuRRamE.
  
  
• From: Udhaya (@ 205.218.142.217) on: Mon Oct 25 20:49:45 EDT 1999
  
  I found a site that has some decent Old Thamizh CDs if anyone's interested:
  
  http://www.saregama.com
  
  
• From: Sridhar K (@ elmo.nordstrom.com) on: Tue Oct 26 14:55:43 EDT 1999
  
  Bhoori:
  
  I agree that Nagesh was great in TM..Chandrababu was marvellous in SM. But you don't compare comedians with heroes. I mean, the character and the role, has a bearing on how they perform. If N in Tiruvilaiyadal has to be natural simpleton, then as Sivaperuman,the Supreme being has to show some majesticity. These are some of the constraints brought in by the roles. In that context, Sivaji's acting in TM was great. I am indeed a great fan of MRR,SVR, TB, Nagesh,CBabu,Thangavelu. But when it comes sheer histronics it was Sivaji all the way. In spite of the surfeit of talent in those days, he has come to be recognised as the Icon of tamil film industry. Ask any old timer, they would give a huge list of films, where no one else could have donned the role done by SG. That goes to prove, how he was one of a kind.
  
  If you are so fond of 'natural' actors, I am sure you are a great fan of Sambar..!!!
  
  BTW, the second version of modern tiruvialiadal was good. Even Mani would have struggled to come with such short oneliners.
  
  
  
  
• From: Bhoori (@ synvpn.synplicity.com) on: Tue Oct 26 22:23:57 EDT 1999
  
  Sridhar: I dont agree with the fact that "comedians" cant be compared with heroes. Nagesh wasnt a comedian in Thiruvilaiyadal or TM. I dont think a character sounding off long dialogs or ensuring that his face gets contorted in every possible way conveys majesty. As far as Thiruvilaiyadal is concerned, I concede (as I did earlier) that it could be argued that this is the right way to portray God.
  
  If you are talking about Sivajis capabilities I would agree that he is a great actor. But he didnt live up to his potential. Take Thiruvarutchelvar for example. He does brilliantly as the King and Appar. Or Navaratthiri. Or Kappalottiya Thamizhan. One doesnt hv to shout! He himself proved it but didnt always follow it.
  
  Sambar, to some extent yes, but sometimes he tended to get into the Sivaji mode. SSR was more consistent.
  
  
• From: Kanchana (@ spider-to015.proxy.aol.com) on: Wed Oct 27 11:54:09 EDT 1999
  
  "BTW, the second version of modern tiruvilayadal was good. Even Mani would have struggled to come up with such short one-liners."
  
  :-)
  
  Thanks, Sridhar K.
  
  

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