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IR & ARR Fans:Answer Together

Topic started by peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on Tue Dec 18 08:58:39 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Is technology the only area where ARR excels IR?
Can ARR create music with natural instruments?
If ARR is soo great why cudnt he give a good background score?
Why ARR songs dont stand the test of time as IR's or MSV's???
What has ARR done to TFM in this 10 years which other MD's
failed to do?
Can he create complex music as IR?Complex here i mean multiple
layers one above the other..

If IR is genius then why is he not a hot cake now?Why cudnt he give
music which suits the taste of present generation?Does IR fans enjoy
his present music the same way as they enjoy his 80's classics?Why
IR fans are mostly fanatics?Why people who know carnatic or western
or instrument players have high regards for IR?What shud IR do in
the future?Continue with TFM or create albums like HTNI & NBW?

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• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Thu Dec 20 05:55:43 EST 2001
  
  ayooo..sorry kupps...inimel ippidi post pannina en kitta oru varthai sollidunga..ok va?illati naan intha maathiri ethavathu reply panniduvaen..:-))
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Thu Dec 20 09:13:05 EST 2001
  
  Kupps,
  
  You shouldn't attempt to degrade your posting by trying to come to my level.:)
  
  peeps,
  
  "Is managing a big count of players a easy thing than sitting in front of the computer and doing permutations and combinations?
  
  You are right.A marketing executive gets more pay than a Mathematician."
  
  Marketing executive usually manages a big count of players and a Mathematician is skilled(not necessarily) in permutations and combinations.
  
  
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 64.220.209.214) on: Thu Dec 20 11:22:16 EST 2001
  
  
  Trend,
  Why shouldn't we take the following TWO LINES....
  
  If ARR is soo great why cudnt he give a good background score?
  Why ARR songs dont stand the test of time as IR's or MSV's???
  
  Why do u want to stress the other two lines u urself feel THEY ARE BIASED. Is it an example u r biased against or in favour of something? I am not here finding fault with ur statements. But ur idea that gives a proposal of taking those 2 lines into consideration made me to write like that. No offense please..:)
  
  But i can definitely say that ARR's songs wont stand test of time. Very few of his songs cud be possibly heard now. IMHO, his songs are all seasonal hits. Innaikku kaettuttu, naalaikku thooki pottuttu poittae irukka vaendiyathu thaan. May be avarukku kidacha padangalum, athan kalamum, appidi amainthu irukkalaam. Ennaikkum, entha mood-la irunthaalum kaetkira maathiri ARR paatu illai appidingirathu thaan unmai. May be, as u said, puthu audio set vaanginaa, annaikku mattum test panrathukkaaka vaenaa kaetkalaam.:) Mic testing 1, 2, 3 solluvaemae athu maathiri.
  
  IR sila thavarukal seithu irukkalaam, ellaa manithanum Perfect human kidayaathae sir:) He didn't know the same cine field guys who praises him will dig the grave for him. Raaja, avar kaevalamaa music pottathaalae thaan innaikku HOTCAKE-aa illai appidinnu manasaatchikku virodham illaama solla mudiyumaa? Appidi enna paatu, etthanai paatu kaevalamaa kudutthu irukkaar???!!! That's all becos of cine politics, sir! Innaikku ARR paatu vikkuthu appidinnaa that's not only for ARR music, athukku irukkira lobbying, Film banner, director etc., ithuvum oru kaaranam. Ithae ARR, vikraman ( appo vikraman successful director kidayaathu ) padam onnu, "PUTHIYA MANNARKAL" panninaar. Eppadi irunthathu cassette sales??????!!!
  
  IR-a supress panraa maathiri ARR-a panninaa, appo, atleast ippo IR-kku irukkira craze ARR-kku irukkumaa appidinnu yosichu paarunga. I dont believe noone care about his music. Becos, u have cheap imitators of ARR here in the field. The so called successful directors, producers will certainly go behind them. That's how this entire cine field works. Ithula aen IR hotcake illai, appidinnaa, not only IR, ARR-ku naalaikkae intha kathi varalaam. Etthanai naalaikku neenga koolaikumbudu pottuttae irukka mudiyum, illayaa:)
  Ippidi pannalaam,appidi pannalaam neenga sonnaa, annaikkae jenma virodhi aayiduveenga. Athu thaan IR-kku nadanthathu. Ithula, IR mattum illai, yaaraa irunthaalum, ithu thaan kadhi.........
  
  But the bottom line is, Genius never believes in marketing himslef as HOTCAKE and he never quits what he's doing.....
  
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Thu Dec 20 11:44:57 EST 2001
  
  Saran,
  
  The two sentences I quoted in one of my previous posting was to point out the bias (according to me) based on the earlier statements and how it can be construed in many different ways.
  It doesn't concern if ARR is not hot-cake tomorrow I would still love his music.But I'll not bring myself to think that he is a hotcake just b'cos I like him or I want him to be a hotcake.
  
  "Why ARR songs dont stand the test of time as IR's or MSV's???"
  
  This is surely a personal opinion.I listen to Roja or Pudhiya Mugam or any album of ARR even today.They are treasures to me.I find most of IR's songs in 80s monotonous and boring and hence cannot listen to them today(my personal opinion).I like most of MSV's songs(absolute gems) even today(Another personal opinion).
  
  Since,most of things what you said(incl. mike test)has to do with your subjective assumption let me not argue on that.
  
  "If ARR is soo great why cudnt he give a good background score? "
  
  I'm equally intrigued by this question.I think everyone ARR takes his own time to compose music and looks like he is playing "percentage Cricket" here.:)He is not pursuing it.I'm not saying that if he pursues he will be good in it.This should also be not taken as "he is not fit enough to do good BGM b'cos he doesn't pursue it".
  
  All,my long boring opinions.
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Thu Dec 20 11:49:03 EST 2001
  
  "Genius never believes in marketing himslef as HOTCAKE and he never quits what he's doing....."
  
  I think we have already discussed too much for not much effect on Definition of Genius" and successfully confused it with "Efficiency or Virtues or whatever "
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 156.153.255.134) on: Thu Dec 20 12:13:56 EST 2001
  
  paatheengaaLa Trend andha ketta vaarthai "Genius" marupadiyum thannoda vaelaya kaatiruchchu :-)
  
  
• From: trashbay.com (@ 151.201.37.16) on: Thu Dec 20 12:20:18 EST 2001
  
  stage is set for and ir vs arr fight,
  it is high time I make some money... for the benefit of both the sides,
  my shop is open...
  
  for sale :
  a crate (12 nos) of C grade Gali Goli soda bottles - rs10
  a crate (12 nos) of A grade Gali Goli soda bottles - rs20, (with easy hold grip )
  20 Pairs of assorted Pincha serupu
  (picked from varuious
  kalayanmadapam and temple entrances) - Rs 42.99
  List of musical terms to use againsts arr
  (contains words like background music, bgm, counter point, chord progression, computer music) - Rs 9.99
  
  
  List of musical terms to use againsts IR
  (monophonic, poor recording, tabla, donku taku etc) Rs 9.99
  
  other misc items to trash arr -
  other misc items to trash Ir -
  (email for price to priceofcrap@arr_ir_trashing.com)
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Thu Dec 20 12:21:01 EST 2001
  
  Kupps,:-)
  
  I think everyone has this tendency to feel that the person they admire the most HAS to be a genius.
  
  
• From: GANESA NAIDU (@ 210.186.29.78) on: Fri Dec 21 08:01:12 EST 2001
  
  YOU ALL ARE PSYCHO PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
  AR RAHMAN IS THE BEST MUSIC DIRECTOR FOREVER
  
  
• From: peeps (@ 203.199.207.198) on: Fri Dec 21 08:24:09 EST 2001
  
  trashboy,
  :-))...till now no fight ma !!Everything is going on fine..I will try my best to start a fight between Trend and Saran..:-)..Till that time keep your goods for us..
  Trend,
  Can u please define the word Genius for us?:-))
  Digression
  Kupps,
  Are u located in chennai??
  Digression ends
  
  
• From: mahabs (@ 203.197.138.163) on: Fri Dec 21 09:10:28 EST 2001
  
  I find most of ARR's songs in 90s monotonous and boring and hence cannot listen to them today(my personal opinion).I like most of IR's songs(absolute gems) even today(Another personal opinion).
  
  all imho, but in trend's words.
  
  anbudan
  
  mahabs
  
  
• From: Trend (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Fri Dec 21 09:18:25 EST 2001
  
  peeps,
  
  "Can u please define the word Genius for us?:-)) "
  
  Naan indha vilayaattukku varalai. enna vitturunga!
  
  mahabs,
  
  That's my whole point.What seems right(emotionally/personally) for one may not seem right for another.
  
  
• From: Saran (@ 64.220.209.214) on: Fri Dec 21 18:41:31 EST 2001
  
  Trend,
  I agree with u reg 'What seems right(emotionally/personally) for one may not seem right for another. ". Athu thaanae intha argument ellaatthukkum aathaaramae. If everybody thinks in this way, there's no need for any comparison at all, illayaa:). Then, why DEVA is treated or called as a mediocre MD? Is it becos, the so called educated mass knows he copies many songs?? May be, uneducated people may think he's good and even better than anyother MD in the world, no?
  
  There lies the point. May be, in 100 songs of deva, 90 appeared to be copied, so that large mass of people( say 60% of people who hears his songs ) recognises the original or the inspiration. So, when compared with IR and other MDs, he's the so called Fourth Grade Xerox machine. Right?
  
  Out of 4000+ songs of IR, how many repetitions u can probably know?? May be few hundreds! But, if it comes to ARR, despite of taking a YEAR to COMPOSE music for a FILM, many songs are repetitive in his 100+ songs and his BGM sucks. This is where the so called IR FANATICS( as said by peeps ) denies the comparison of ARR with IR. If a genuine IR fan who cannot go with this is termed as FANATIC. That's where the definition of Genius stands. If u have a close watch on ARR's movies, whenever he does more than one movie in a year, u can notice the degradation in quality. That consistency makes IR stand unique from all these MDs. If a MD takes one year to compose music for a film or two, what's there in giving a genuine music and BGM, if he's a GENIUS. Whether ARR did it once, atleast??? ARR brought a new music style, i accept. But, Eppavumae atha kaettaa bore adikkuthae sir:) Of course, Neenga, enakku bore adikkalai appidinnu solveenga. May be true. But again, the same mass( not ARR fans ), who eagerly waits for ARR's music for one year, says the it's boring after sometime. So, u accept DEVA as a copier, as per mass's definition, u accept IR is no more hotcake as per mass's definition, u accept ARR as HOTCAKE in today's market as per mass's definition BUT u dont accept the fact, ARR's music dont stand the test of time. IS IT RIGHT?? For that, u will call ur own conscience for that.:) Trend, by any means, dont ever think about i am targeting on ur personal opinions, not at all. I just want to have a healthy argument. That's all:) Peeps, ungalayum konjam vambukku izhutthu irukkaen...:))
  
  NOTE:
  By the way, i am not comparing Deva and ARR at all. Itha oru pirachinai aakiraatheengayyaa, saami.
  
  
• From: VR (@ 66.188.201.72) on: Fri Dec 21 21:29:53 EST 2001
  
  First: both composers are terrific.. In fact, I feel composing an original score requires a lot of talent and hardwork...Hats off to both...
  
  Having said that, and having listened to both and many others for years, I must say that the type of music IR composed is unique: Blend of Indian classical, street, Western classical, and pop. I cannot think of anyone else who excelled in each of these categories the way IR did and does. It is impossible to find his type of compsitions made by any other composer. He is Mozart and Bhagavathar rolled into one...and more..
  
  
  The type of music ARR makes while terrific, is composed day in and day out sometimes even more spectacularly by a 1000 garage bands in the United States, not to speak of professional composers who perfect songs for the likes of Madonna, Britney, NSync and the rest of the pop craze...
  
  In fact it is the Indianness of IRs music (which is preserved no matter how western the song sounds) that makes me long for him...When I am in the mood for rock or pop, why ARR when one can get the original?
  
  

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