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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: dusee (@ 24.112.32.14) on: Tue Oct 2 15:07:13 EDT 2001
  
  the song kasu kasu from alli thantha vanam is a exact copy of english song. does anyone know the song name?
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Tue Oct 2 19:20:43 EDT 2001
  
  KS & Vijay:
  
  Regarding 'unakkenaththaanE innEramA', listen to
  this too...
  
  http://guppy.mpe.nus.edu.sg/~mpessk/unak.rm
  http://guppy.mpe.nus.edu.sg/~mpessk/unvizhi.rm
  
  IR has nicely turned a part of unadhu vizhiyil
  (a duet from 'Naan En Pirandhen', MD: SG) into folk. The adaptation is neat and difference is
  almost unnoticeable.
  
  
• From: sk (@ 137.132.3.8) on: Tue Oct 2 19:26:59 EDT 2001
  
  oops..
  
  difference is unnoticeable!!
  
  I meant the opposite:
  
  similarity is hard to detect.
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Tue Oct 2 20:35:29 EDT 2001
  
  sk, bingo :-) sandham appadiye irukku..tune slightly different avlo thaan..(even the brighas are at the same places)..
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Tue Oct 2 23:48:48 EDT 2001
  
  TV serials 'en iniya iyanthira' and its sequel 'meendum jeeno' had music by VS Narasimman and not ARR.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.2.156) on: Wed Oct 3 01:05:32 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik S,
  I vaguely remember MD of those serials were Thaayanban or something, but not VSN.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Oct 3 06:24:15 EDT 2001
  
  I'm adequately lost and confused now! Venkatesh, I think you are right. It looks like it was Thayanban, after all. I remember the music very clearly, I used to be very impressed with it then, cos it was sounding very futuristic! I was kinda sure the composer had used some original track but wasnt sure at that time.
  
  Same with the case of Telephoto Film's first TV serial 'Iravil oru pagal'...I clearly remember its title theme tune! Wonder if thats ripped too? I'm sure VSN scored the music for this serial.
  
  On second thots I think I've comfused between the two serials! Its indeed Thayanban for the Jeno series and VSN for IOP. In fact there is a beautiful song in this serial 'aasai nilave pesum malare, kalaimaane kann thoongu nee'...damn i remember its lyrics so well! ...and it goes...'uyirum urugum, ulagam mayangum , un paarvai maano theno...'!!!
  
  Particularly the lines...'kalaimaane kann thoongu nee' reminds me very strongly of an IR song from a movie starring actress Sreeja and her husband (who's the son of some minister...forgot the movie's and this guy's name)...the song was 'semmeene semmeene'. The 4th line in the song which goes something like 'kalyana malai...' and so on sounds ditto like the VSN number of the serial!!!!
  
  Has somebody else heard both the songs to be able to comment??? Naga???
  
  
• From: bnk (@ 202.54.34.22) on: Wed Oct 3 07:15:30 EDT 2001
  
  hi
  
  
• From: Venkatesh CR (@ 212.72.3.98) on: Wed Oct 3 07:35:12 EDT 2001
  
  Hi Karthik
  I have not seen Iravil oru pagal.
  I too liked the title music of En iniya... It was a nice keyboard piece with some kind of starts speckling in the sky. Nice one.
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.145.72) on: Wed Oct 3 07:44:42 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik S,
  
  yes, I remember IOP very much - it was one of the first 'MovieLike' TV serials !! (NeelaaMaala is another :-)
  
  I remember the song too ... Wonderful song (Sung by ?? JeyaChandran ?).,
  
  I think the IR song you are talking about is from movie 'Sevvandhi' (Hero name is Sandhana Pandiyan - S/O Educational Minister in 1991 Jaya Government - whats his name ? ARanthai paNdiyan ? ARanga Nayakam ?)
  
  NagaS
  
  
  
• From: NagaS (@ 202.169.145.72) on: Wed Oct 3 07:49:21 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik S,
  
  yes, I remember IOP very much - it was one of the first 'MovieLike' TV serials !! (NeelaaMaala is another :-)
  
  I remember the song too ... Wonderful song (Sung by ?? JeyaChandran ?).,
  
  I think the IR song you are talking about is from movie 'Sevvandhi' (Hero name is Sandhana Pandiyan - S/O Educational Minister in 1991 Jaya Government - whats his name ? ARanthai paNdiyan ? ARanga Nayakam ?)
  
  NagaS
  
  
  
• From: musiclover (@ 24.178.147.172) on: Wed Oct 3 11:28:04 EDT 2001
  
  
  hi all
  can anyone tell me from where deva copied all the songs for the film "aasai"
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Oct 3 11:49:21 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik S,
  
  iravil oru pagal's title music is paul maurait's "transparence".
  
  a cool violin bit. I have transperence with me. the MD is VS Narsiman.
  
  the serial where revathi acts as a blind person and suresh menon is an escaped convict?????
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Wed Oct 3 13:46:53 EDT 2001
  
  Isn't that whole IOP serial a copy of some english movie.?
  
  The movie's name is in my throat....I will get it soon...wait.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Oct 3 14:03:44 EDT 2001
  
  throat thaane.. u still have tongue tip("naaku nuni") to cross.. apporam rendu peru "no.. no thats not the movie" appadinnu solluvanga. :-)
  
  but seriously i know s.menon gets "inspired" by lots of english movies. i wudnt be surprised.
  
  he made another serial *ing revathi sometime later. revathi wud be a mental case... dunno the serial name !
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.29) on: Wed Oct 3 23:37:36 EDT 2001
  
  Well, I didnt know that IOP was inspired by some english movie!! Could be! I found the sevvanthi (thanks naga!) song similarity when i heard the song 'semmeene' on TV years later after IOP hit the telly. Since VSN is (was?) IR's assistant as far as I remember, i thot there might be some connection, somewhere!!!
  
  
• From: G.Ragavan (@ 202.144.44.234) on: Thu Oct 4 00:08:01 EDT 2001
  
  Revathi's serial name is also Revathi. Directed by Suresh Menon.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Thu Oct 4 12:55:06 EDT 2001
  
  I think that the films name is some thing like
  "Wait untill dark comes" or wait till sun sets" etc.
  
  Check out, whether any such film is there?...confused right now.
  
  
• From: rf (@ 152.163.201.81) on: Thu Oct 4 13:19:18 EDT 2001
  
  sk, great. two of my extremely fav songs.
  
  btw, second interlude of IR's song, Ilamai Idho, Idho was in a Hollywood film i saw, it is a late 80s films!!!! it was foolish of me to not rememebr which video it was, thought i kept rewinding the music!!!!
  
  
• From: yaaro (@ 172.190.136.36) on: Thu Oct 4 14:17:35 EDT 2001
  
  Sure it was late 80's?.Ilamai idho idho was done in 81
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.144) on: Thu Oct 4 15:05:17 EDT 2001
  
  If IR were to copy music,
  
  1) He has to listen to other music.
  2) Watch hundreds of movies carefully.
  
  This implies he had to take a lot of time of from
  composing hundreds of movies he was working on(songs and bgm) and spare time for the above activities. Besides that he had come up with those imaginative usage of piano, flute , guitar, drums..
  and had to come up with new tunes for movies, in all languages, score non-film albums , slokas, instrumental bits, work with maniratnam's movie
  through out the year, every year, write literature, talk about philosophy, music and spend time with his family and so on , so on.........
  
  Ever wonder why IR was reluctant to speak to the press? were you not ever pissed off if someone were to disturb you when you deeply concentrating on work? I would be for sure and so would IR.
  
  I don't care if none of the DF'ers buy this argument, but so much work in one lifetime is almost unimaginable.
  
  This DF is desperately trying to show that IR has copied, or "inspired", etc etc.. Everyday some guy
  starts up stupid threads to degrade IR, and lot of DF'ers keep those threads alive by posting crap on IR. Granted that there are stray instances of inspiration here and there, but there can never be a question about his ingenious talent and originality. Who's to say from where those "original composers" in hollywood have copied from?
  
  
  Jag
  
  
  
• From: .. (@ 12.5.10.153) on: Thu Oct 4 16:28:49 EDT 2001
  
  wind changes direction...
  
  
  
  
• From: UVII (@ 63.225.17.160) on: Thu Oct 4 16:33:44 EDT 2001
  
  Jag,
  Well said
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Oct 4 17:06:11 EDT 2001
  
  //"composing hundreds of movies he was working on(songs and bgm) and spare time for the above activities. Besides that he had come up with those imaginative usage of piano, flute , guitar, drums.. and had to come up with new tunes for movies, in all languages, talk about philosophy, music and spend time with his family and so on , so on......... "//
  
  I agree IR wud not be inclined to lift songs from the west..that much but above is not a good argument... even deva does all the above...(ofcourse u have to strech the word "imaginative" to include deva )
  
  especially because in the classification of "...movies he was working on" that time cud include listening to other music for ideas. ( i dont think there is anything wrong in it! )
  
  "ilamai itho itho" is 1 of my all time fav. song. In my personal countdown of top 10 tamil songs i ever heard. I still debate on arranging "ilamai itho"..."andhi mazhai" .... "paruvamee puthiya" in the top 3.
  
  The bit where spb does that "thakathaka thaka..." is my most fav. and the music that comes .... kamal goes down when that chandelier swings above him is simply superb.
  
  I wud be shattered if it were inspired. I firmly refuse to believe it unless i saw the video and listened to it myself 10 times.
  
  
  
• From: .. (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Oct 4 17:08:35 EDT 2001
  
  well! chief...
  
  now the wind is blowin strongly in the other direction....:-)
  
  
• From: dusee (@ 24.112.32.14) on: Thu Oct 4 17:09:18 EDT 2001
  
  does anyone heard the song 'utti mala kadu, AC cacha ooru', does anyone know the name of that movie? and 'mukala mukabla' from kathalan is copied from dr.alban's 'mata oh a eh'
  
  
• From: Whatever (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Thu Oct 4 17:42:53 EDT 2001
  
  I agree with you .., oops!, sorry, Bharath. :-)
  
  

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