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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: Peter Pan (@ 209.177.206.90) on: Fri Sep 28 10:42:32 EDT 2001
  
  'Kalaakaar' was a Copy (or 'remake' as they call it in Hindi, even if the story and screenplay writer is not acknowledged) of 'PayaNangaL Mudivathillai'. The song Ilaya Nila was copied by Kalyanji-Anandji with some changes to the charaNams. However the title instrumental score was a note-by-note copy of the Tamil song.
  Kunal Goswami (Manoj Kumar's son) made his debut, while Sridevi played the lead role played by Poornima Jayaram (Bhagyaraj)in the original.
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Fri Sep 28 13:06:12 EDT 2001
  
  Always wanted to know this - the pallavi of IR's "Unakkenathaane inneramaa" from Ponnu Oorukku Pudhusu (1979) (i don't remember the charanam of this song) and the Hindi bhajan "Om jai jagadeesh hare" sound same.
  
  which one is original and which one is a copy? While this Hindi bhajan is very popular and had come even in a devotional Hindi film (Jai Santhoshi Maa !?) and has taken various forms/versions, IR's song is comparitively less known even among his HCFs!!!
  
  can somebody tell for sure!!! (btw, this IR song in dhool.com doesn't work)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Sep 28 13:20:09 EDT 2001
  
  Peter Pan,
  
  Copy right works differently. If u r in a R & D team for a company than any product u develop is owned by the comp and not u. so thay have the right to sell it and also not acknowledge u. U r an internal function inside the black box :-)
  
  So the producer is the owner and everything. it suffices to acknowledge him.there is not a thing 1 that the script writer can do about it. Thats the way this wicked world works... :-)
  
  Therin lies an answer(though partly only) to ARR's alleged "recyled" songs.:)
  
  
• From: UNMAI TAMILAN (@ 210.186.29.149) on: Fri Sep 28 13:27:38 EDT 2001
  
  harris jeyaraj,a copycat.everyone knows that he worked with the greatest music director of the world, A.R RAHMAN. SO,he using all the tunes that
  composed by RAHMAN in his albuls.for example, a
  song from minnale 'oh mama mama ' is 100%
  RAHMAN'S TUNES.HE COULD NOT AND ABLE TO BE COMPARED WITH RAHMAN AND ALSO WITH ILAIYARAJA.
  HOW LONG could he managed to copying RAHMAN'S
  tunes.AR RAHMAN ARE NOW WOKE UP.DID YOU ALL KNOW
  THAT RAHMAN DONE 3SONGS IN A DAY!! ITS FOR MANJHAL KUDAI..I THOUGHT RAHMAN WOULD KICKED OUT
  HARRIS THE COPIER IN ABOUT 3 MONTHS.ADVANCE CONGRATULATION TO MY FAVOURITE MUSIC COMPOSER FOREVER ,AR RAHMAN............
  OLIGHA HARRIS JAYARAJ
  HARRIS JAYARAJ IS SUCH A STUPID MAN,YES HE STUPID ,STUPID AND COPIER!!!!!!!
  
  
• From: vengadeswaran (@ 210.186.29.149) on: Fri Sep 28 13:30:09 EDT 2001
  
  i'm agree with you,
  
  
• From: sats (@ 209.246.190.249) on: Fri Sep 28 14:14:30 EDT 2001
  
  unmai thamilan = vengadeswaran
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 192.76.70.253) on: Fri Sep 28 15:41:31 EDT 2001
  
  Recently My friend was singing Alagaana Ponnu thaan..athugaythaa Kannuthaan....It just suddenly stuck me that it sounds same as Micheal Madhana kamarajan's title songs.. Kathaa Kellu Kathaa Kellu.. Nejamana Kathaa Kellu...
  
  Am I Right? Does any1else observe the samething?. I would like to hear abt it.
  
  Pardon my English-Tamil
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 192.76.70.253) on: Fri Sep 28 15:55:56 EDT 2001
  
  Sorry another posting but forgot to bring about another IR song...other day I was humming the Starting humming of "Ahhaan Venthuruchu.. Aasaieel Odivantheian....Palluuu..pallamum..." from the Kamal Movie "Kalyana Raman". (Sung by Malaisiya Vasudevan). The Starting humming by malasiya Vasudevan kind off clashed with "Rajavin...Parvai..Ranien Pakkam..Kan theduthei Sorgaam...". Also the "Kalyana raman" song also seems to inspired by
  this old song.
  
  Any thoughts?
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Fri Sep 28 19:09:48 EDT 2001
  
  Nanban,
  
  try something better... just a trace in a tune doesnt mean anything. please try to learn music.
  or ask some one to write down the notes of both the song and see if there is any similarity.
  
  
• From: NaNbaN (@ 192.76.70.253) on: Fri Sep 28 20:05:05 EDT 2001
  
  ooooh! hold ur horse KK. I am just asking for opinion. So you agree there is trace.
  Anyway, Musicbuff what do you guys think?.
  
  Looking for guys who know notes
  NaNbaN
  
  
• From: sundar (@ 61.11.73.131) on: Sat Sep 29 00:31:55 EDT 2001
  
  infact "Made in India"...by Alisha is particularly similar to 'Aaha vandhirichu...' from Kalyana Raman.
  
  
• From: Common Friend (@ 203.197.141.187) on: Sat Sep 29 12:07:35 EDT 2001
  
  >>>Nanban,
  
  >>>try something better... just a trace in a tune doesnt mean anything. please try to learn music.
  or ask some one to write down the notes of both the song and see if there is any similarity.
  
  This is really cool. When it is IR people talk about trace. Now, take the example of "Roja roja" from kadhalar dhinam and "sippi irrukkudhu" from VNS.
  
  Now tell me what is wrong with the former. I would say that the KD song was one of the best examples of improvisation. It starts in the way where the VNS song ends. Other than that both songs go divergently opposite to each other. There is no similarity else where. But, people in this forum kizhichchified the KD song into pieces and when I came out with a very long opinion about the song I too had brick bats.
  
  Now there are other such examples too. But, I am not going to talk about it now. Neither, I wish to initiate and IR-ARR fight again.
  
  I view the so called copying in a different view.
  
  NaNbaN:
  Your MMKR example is really cool. I never noticed it. Yes, the song seem to be pretty much inspired. (There is nothing wrong in it....why there should be?)
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 65.3.17.115) on: Sat Sep 29 14:17:31 EDT 2001
  
  i agree with both songs...i also know that its a trace in the begiining tunes... also i dont think one needs to analyze notes to fomr an opinion on traces or similarity...
  
  if one is talking copied in the strictes sense 1 can talk about notes... i gues nanban is just asking that to all..
  
  
• From: Guru (@ 172.134.98.57) on: Sun Sep 30 10:44:13 EDT 2001
  
  Guys,
  Do anyone of you remember the yesteryear ARR, when he did the title music for the serial "Naan, nee, nila" or something like that, i dont remember the exact title. But the story was by "sujatha", (writer for Mani Ratnam's "roja") and it came around 1989-90 in TV. The title music is a lift from the theme music of "Bounty" (Mel Gibson, Anthony Hopkins- a 1984 movie).
  Can anyone confirm this?
  Thanks.
  Guru
  
  
• From: guru (@ 61.11.74.10) on: Mon Oct 1 07:10:51 EDT 2001
  
  the recent hit deva's 'maley maley' from chocolate sounds very similar to rajaa's 'aalana naal mudhala' from kadhal kavidhai.
  is it right?
  
  
• From: sampath (@ 61.11.74.10) on: Mon Oct 1 08:56:09 EDT 2001
  
  yes even i think so
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Mon Oct 1 11:17:13 EDT 2001
  
  Guru,
  
  i think u r talking about "yen iniya iyendra" the space age serial by sujatah which came in ananda vikatan. I know the title music is copied (but i am not sure the MD is ARR ). I have seen it not only in bounty but a movie called " a swan in love" (an X rated movie released in sathyam theatre :-) ) and lot of old movies.... it should be an old composition..
  
  
• From: musiclover (@ 24.178.147.172) on: Mon Oct 1 12:16:47 EDT 2001
  
  hi nanban
  this forum is not to discuss what r all the songs u know?
  u have given two songs.they r no way realted to each other.
  u simply try to prove that ilalayaraja is copying that's all.but u don;t have that much music sense to prove it.
  o.k
  so try some other music directrs.give some other useless comparision.
  
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Mon Oct 1 20:42:09 EDT 2001
  
  The song 'padha kolusu padi varum padi varum' from film 'thriumathi pazhanichami' (the charanam part) has heavy resemblance to the song 'nitham nitham en nenjOdu inba kana' from 'koottu puzhukkal'. 'nitham nitham' is available in dhool.
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 203.199.225.175) on: Tue Oct 2 03:19:59 EDT 2001
  
  Hi All,
  I suppose u guys would have heard the Number "Thaniyae thannan thaniyae" in the film "Rhythm"..It has a very different beat..
  
  Beacause inspiration was from a western number----"Love is a battlefield" by Pat Benator.If u wanna download this song log on to "www.audiogalaxy.com" and search this song.
  
  
• From: UNMAI THAMIZHAN (@ 210.186.28.51) on: Tue Oct 2 03:49:43 EDT 2001
  
  HARRIS JEYARAJ STUPID,..
  I WANT TO KILL YOU, IF U INTEND TO COPYING FROM ARRAHMAN AGAIN ..
  NAN PARTTUKERENDA UNNEIYE,,,, PODA NAYI....
  DEY...SOTTEI TALEI UNAKKU TANNA TUNE PODA TERIYAZADHA,,,DEY ...UNNUR WATI NI EZUMATIRI PANNE
  UNNAI .....CHIH PODA
  
  
• From: UNMAI THAMIZHAN (@ 210.186.28.51) on: Tue Oct 2 04:02:03 EDT 2001
  
  rajini kanth's new film will be released in MARCH 2002.the music director ESEIPPUYAL BATHMASHIRI A.R.RAHMAN. taleivar padattula rahman pichu wanga porrar. yabeedabeeedu..
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Oct 2 11:32:40 EDT 2001
  
  bathmasiri...ezumathiri (read as isumathiri) aha enna unmai tamizh...
  
  aha enna profound logic...
  
  
• From: KS (@ 165.122.129.199) on: Tue Oct 2 11:33:02 EDT 2001
  
  posting again...
  
  Always wanted to know this - the pallavi of IR's "Unakkenathaane inneramaa" from Ponnu Oorukku Pudhusu (1979) (i don't remember the charanam of this song) and the Hindi bhajan "Om jai jagadeesh hare" sound same.
  
  which one is original and which one is a copy? While this Hindi bhajan is very popular and had come even in a devotional Hindi film (Jai Santhoshi Maa !?) and has taken various forms/versions, IR's song is comparitively less known even among his HCFs!!!
  
  can somebody tell for sure!!! (btw, this IR song in dhool.com doesn't work)
  
  yenna, yaarukkum theriyaadha..surprising!!!
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.25.96) on: Tue Oct 2 12:13:51 EDT 2001
  
  KS, good one..I had noticed that too and wanted to know which came before..I guess maybe the bhajan came out first..
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.149.4) on: Tue Oct 2 12:54:51 EDT 2001
  
  Ram, I dont see the similarity in rhythm for the song thaniyE and the Pat Benatar song. BTW, maybe we discussed this before the first charanam of kARRE en vAsal vanthAi sounds like a piece from an older song.
  
  

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