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We Don't Deserve AR Rahman

Topic started by Ekam Satyam (@ 202.156.2.131) on Fri Nov 30 06:46:09 EST 2001.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Honestly I think India doesn't deserve someone talented and intelligent like AR Rahman. I think compared to his group of fans, there are double the amount of Deva and Raja fans. (Read that again, I'm not saying that there are no ARR Indian appreciators or fans)

Is it because Indians are unable to understand his style of music? Is it because deep inside, ghana and dhampakoothu are what they want?

If tomorrow, ARR decides to give up India music, I will be happy because he gets the recogniztion he deserves overseas and can concentrate on his western projects more. Read Andrew Lloyd Webber and Michael Jackson.

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• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Dec 7 14:29:26 EST 2001
  
  //"only 2 lac in every lac people "//
  
  should be only 2 lac in every 10 lac people
  
  
• From: Mr. Arattai (@ 64.105.34.213) on: Fri Dec 7 15:25:51 EST 2001
  
  we are not people who shirkked responsibility and ran away...
  We are only people who watched other people run away and 'ran' immediately after they did, to be concise, peer pressure. enna chappa kattu kattinAlum.....NOM :)
  
  
• From: suresh (@ 202.88.155.34) on: Fri Dec 7 15:37:51 EST 2001
  
  Bharath, Ffiflo, WhyNot, Saketh,....
  I admire the way you closed ranks once I touched a raw nerve in you! I don't want to digress anymore by continuing this argument; you could email me if there's something unsaid
  
  
• From: bm (@ 64.175.240.27) on: Fri Dec 7 15:43:22 EST 2001
  
  
  Bharath ,saketh and others..all you say in favour of NRIS may or may not be correct but the truth is that most NRIs peacefully turn their back on their country and piggy back on the most developed nation in the world and say "unga oorla road sariya irukka, roadside toilets sariya irukka , paper sariya irukka etc ":|. I wholly agree that the first step to get India out of the rut she is in, is by recognising the fact that she has to go a long way but the ways in which it should be expressed certainly call for some maturity and not plain childish statements like balance of population, pump money in to the country etc. The NRI s, after their globe conquering efforts turn to look at India in their retirement age and comment on it further to say that it is no good here etc..Tell me how many NRIS "pump " money in developing the schools or primary health care centres in remote villages in bihar and orissa or for that matter in tamil nadu ? If at all they do, most of it go to profitable ventures like film making and its ilk or to some charity that gives free food for a few days to a few people. It is really unfortunate that the country that does so much to you to get you to the land of oppurtunities gets nothing in return in your most productive years but for statements like "employment oppurtunities are poor" etc and "the country drove us out".
  
  You talk of government ? who elects it ? Government in India is nothing but a convenience for us all to point a finger on. Agreed, the government in India is doing nothing to retain talent but it doesnt drive anybody away as you blatantly say.there are still a lot of talented people working for the government..want examples ? the resumes of of most of us here wud pale in comparison to some of the monster minds working in some uncelebrated government institutions in India. Try AIIMS,ISRO, the Atomic research centre etc if u need examples.
  
  What India needs is some kind of regulation that every graduate/ post graduate be commissioned to work for nation building... in some basic service like education , health care, social welfare etc. By letting their citizens go scot free with no sense of responsibility what so ever towards the nation , the country remains where it is.
  
  Before calling people (who work for NGOS etc) names stop and think of yourself doing something good for your country.Can you take a break from your work for a couple of years and go and educate some children in ur native village ? then there is some point in talking to you ..Guys ,
  it is very easy for us to sit here in the air conditioned comforts of our work places and studies and type out random thoughts but the reality is too stark to ignore . i m not sure if you have read an article by Sujatha that addressed this particular issue . the small converstion towards the end of the article is what we should all be looking at : when asked why didnt you leave the country for better options abroad , one of the bright young scientists at ISRO( or DRDO) is supposed ot have replied " ellarum ippadi Indiavai vittuttu poitta indha country aai yaaru paathupaanga ? i am happy here serving my country in my own way ! "
  
  Definitely Bharath, we respect Indians who do us all proud by reaching great heights in the US and elsewhere but all that is requested of you is to be a bit more commiserate towards your homeland and not decry it in forum that has got nothing to do with an issue of such gravity as this one .:|
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 7 15:58:12 EST 2001
  
  suresh..i donno what made you to club me in that list?
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Fri Dec 7 16:00:27 EST 2001
  
  People are forgetting few facts her.
  
  1) One did nothing to feel great of or feel bad of anything. People criticise that in India there is no this, there is no that, In US there is this and that.
  Can someone answer me straight, What you have done to feel great of and criticise India? All the things in US were before you have come here or you have ever dreamt of or you have even born. In US things are getting worse compared to past. In India things are getting better compared to past. We were never part of any system that we can influence and change. People migrate from one system( country ) to other system ( country ) which has difference, but they can never claim anything.
  
  2) There is a difference between Outsiders Criticising India and Insiders( Indians ) criticising India. Outsiders criticising India is a constructive criticism where as Insiders criticism is useless
  
  3) There is huge difference between Indians coming to US criticizing India and Village people moving to cities and criticising. I feel that former is hatred and later will never be hatred.
  
  4)Wherever one goes, Indian is always an Indian. Dont ever feel that you were never part of India and you will never be. How much you criticise India nothing is going to be affected by it. May be your children who were born here will never be Indians. But you always have your roots to India
  
  I request all Indians who migrated to US that Hatred doesnt do good to anybody. Try to respect others feelings.
  
  Indians like the US but I have seen many UK friends hate US more than NRI's hate India. So there is always good and bad in each place. Its purely subjective. Just dont show your hatred to others.This is no good at any time.
  
  
• From: Saketh@Atlanta (@ 130.207.33.163) on: Fri Dec 7 16:19:24 EST 2001
  
  All right guys, I end it here.
  
  Mr.Suresh - There have many days when I have felt sad about the state of affairs in India. I happened to get a chance to foriegn education and could not refuse it. Things are much clearer than it was for me before I came here. I feel I will be in a much better situation to help than if I were in India.
  
  Mr.Suresh - you may be one of those guys who take feelings to the next level - into actual work that is useful. However, I repeat, you have no right call me or anybody as "strutting about in Atlanta as if it were heaven" and you said all that based on two lines from me!
  
  You touched a raw nerve or whatever, but you hurt people here.
  
  
• From: Fliflo (@ 146.186.113.218) on: Fri Dec 7 16:21:43 EST 2001
  
  Suresh;
  
  I wish to stress my point on this.
  
  1. I do not think I ever had an argument with you
  
  2. I have been telling many "criticising India" not to do that. If you want a crystal clear evidence just rewind this tape an inch back.
  
  3. I told people "in general" that this thread is not the place for what we discuss.
  
  4. I go along with NCR, who made some valuable points in the last thread.
  
  I am Indian and I wud like to die like that..
  
  
• From: Saketh@Altanta (@ 130.207.33.163) on: Fri Dec 7 16:24:03 EST 2001
  
  And one last comment...
  If you cannot imagine NRI cannot think positively about India, you are just messed up in the head, that's all!
  
  
• From: Saketh@Altanta (@ 130.207.33.163) on: Fri Dec 7 16:24:33 EST 2001
  
  And one last comment...
  If you cannot imagine NRIs can think positively about India, you are just messed up in the head, that's all!
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 156.153.255.126) on: Fri Dec 7 17:08:32 EST 2001
  
  for bm NCR and suresh,
  
  lets assume 2 simple things...
  
  1) i am an indian and lets have the assumption i have never steepped out of indian soil in my life ever!
  
  2) i said the same things i said so in this forum!
  
  now wud i sudddenly be correct!
  
  see almost the entire of ur postings heavily depend on the fact that the accuser is an NRI
  
  take it away.. lets assume Flifo said it ( i know he wudnt but for examples sake)
  
  then u wud simply have no answer.
  
  so to simply say... when a person moves out of india he moves from "us" to "them"
  
  that person gets irrationally stereo typed to some common beliefs that indian public have abt NRI..
  
  most of what suresh NCR and bm said is widley known and plainly obvious... thats the stereo type u assume everyone to be...
  
  bm,
  
  by commenting on my explanation of why NRI's went out of India as immature. I gather you did not read much of my posting and did not understand it at all.. Its quite profound plz pay more attention.. I dint give out theories but those are plain facts..
  
  b.t.w another proof that u didnt understand what I said .. I dont Blame the Govt for people leaving India. I wud blame it otherwise... its one of the better moves of the govt to encourage people to leave!
  
  understand b4 u comment!
  
  u simply assumed here is this idiot who ran out of the country and is now throwin dirt....
  
  //"Outsiders criticising India is a constructive criticism where as Insiders criticism is useless
  "//
  
  what a pathetic comment! it shows the pre conceived mentality u have... so u wud rather respect a foreigners comment than one of ur own! I am amazed at ur self respect!
  
  //"I feel that former is hatred and later will never be hatred"//
  
  i suppose u atleast have an inch of logic as to why this is so!
  
  some unwarranted trite comments
  
  //". Dont ever feel that you were never part of India and you will never be. How much you criticise India nothing is going to be affected by it. May be your children who were born here will never be Indians. But you always have your roots to India "//
  
  like some one contested this.. typical stereo typing NRI's as aliens from outside planet and think they dont belong to India
  
  //"What you have done to feel great of and criticise India? "//
  
  i am a citizen of india and that gives me the right! and that alone is enough... I can ask u what great have u done by staying in India... Just taxes.. do u know how much india benefits by tax treaties with US for NRI's
  
  //"In US things are getting worse compared to past. In India things are getting better compared to past. "//
  
  another blanket statement! NOT TRUE!!!!
  
  bm,
  
  please check ur statistics first! NRI's still are Indians and feel part of India they are under more pressure than others to actually make a point about something w/o being misunderstood as conceited..
  
  NCR,
  
  take moment plz dont go into advise mode the moment u hear i am an NRI and give me unrelated statistical info about India and its greatness.. I know very well about it! Thats not the point here.
  
  I am not trashing India because of US or any other place...
  
  The whole digression started when I made a simple critisism I was immdly stereo typed.
  
  Thappu naan sonnalum thappu thappu thaan nee sonnallum thappu thappu thaan. Instead of diverting the issue by pointing fingers at the person who siad it.. see what he is saying?
  
  I am not trying to feel superior or more qualified about myself when I critisize India... I cannot overstate this... dont assume this is what I am saying... when u actually have an alternative of seeing what I have said...
  
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Fri Dec 7 17:21:22 EST 2001
  
  I took flifo post and went and saw how it actually started...
  
  Infact rewind back to old responses and see how this digression started..
  
  it started when I lamented that valluvar and kambar are not remembered and taught very well!
  
  I quoted the example of wordsworth or shakesshere who are well publicized in the west...
  
  and later some one instead of analyzing why valluvar and kambar were ignored even by tamils went the usual way of nit picking by accusing USA to be the land of sex etc...
  
  I remember an old joke where a politician calls everything "veli naatu sathi" even for growth in population issues.. and starts a war with another nation when his domestic problems rise up..
  
  
  

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