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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
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The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.165.180) on: Mon Jun 24 21:18:28 EDT 2002

I thought we had this madhmadh saarang discussion earlier .... my impression from what I read and heard was madhyamavathi ... if debate is closed then we can sing pavamaana ... of course if I am way off-base (more likely) we can sing paavam aana
From: IR_Fan (@ 203.199.245.16) on: Mon Jun 24 21:36:29 EDT 2002

Pathan & Ram,

a) Sindhu Bhairavi

b) Pallavi - Mayamalawagowlai. The charanam breaks off to simmendramadhyamam, back to Mayamalawagowlai. AIMHO. :-)
From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124) on: Mon Jun 24 21:44:22 EDT 2002

IR_Fan,
MMG and SM are shruthibedams so the whole song could be in SM itself...could u try it one more time and clarify?
From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124) on: Mon Jun 24 21:45:21 EDT 2002

Sindhuja....inime jollythaan ungaLukku....thirumba Shruthibedam pathi topic vanthaachu;-)
From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6) on: Mon Jun 24 22:02:28 EDT 2002

There is a new SUN TV serial named Rudraveenai
which airs on Wednesdays from 8:30 pm to 9 pm (IST).
At the beginning of each episode they show a few
minutes 'separate' subepisode describing the effectiveness
of one raga. Last week the raga chosen was Sunaadha Vinodhini.
It is a janyam of kalyani and has the swaras
s g3 m2 d2 n3
The episode showed a death of a mother in a family
and the little children crying profusely. A man
sees this, feels sad, takes his (rudra) veena
and plays this raga on it. On hearing it the children
stop crying and come and sit near him. Then there
was this description:

indha raagaththin vazhiyaaga oru annaiyin
aravaNaippil kidaikkum manasaanthiyai uNaralaam.

Can anyone tell me more about this raga and if
there are any classic compositions using it?
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.4) on: Mon Jun 24 22:08:27 EDT 2002

no Ram,infact,its time for me to retire to ROM.Shruthibhedam pathi pesi naa (kindal) vaangi kattindadu podum.(NOM to anyone :-))
Vidya,Ram,tnx. for all that on Madhyamavati.
From: Ram (@ 134.121.73.124) on: Mon Jun 24 22:23:22 EDT 2002

sK,
"Devadi deva" is a famous composition in Sunadavinodhini;-)
Sindhu,
Shruthibedatahi vidunga...but pls throw ur 2 cents on that "sentamizh pattu" song(chinna chinna)
From: ram (@ 134.121.73.124) on: Mon Jun 24 22:26:45 EDT 2002

sK,
It will be great if u could update us every week about each raga and itz emotions
From: Sindhuja (@ ) on: Mon Jun 24 23:47:48 EDT 2002

on chinna chinna-pallavi shows Ni3 and Ni2,so shud me a mix of SMKP and SM,1st interlude shows Ma1 and Ma2.The charanams and the 2nd interlude shud be in Hemavati which is the Da variant of SMKP-coz they show Da2 and SMKP has Da1,and the 2nd interlude also has Ni2 and Ni3 and a very slight presence of Ma1 too.No MMG IMO,coz there's no Ri1 NEwhere.IR_Fan,did u spot a Ri1 NEwhere?
And no SB too,IMO. :-)
From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234) on: Tue Jun 25 00:32:19 EDT 2002

Sindhuja,
EppadiyO en intuition kuthumathippa correct ngareenga;-)
Romba nari,
Ram
From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Jun 25 01:08:28 EDT 2002

sindhujha,

kalaiyila office pora avasarathile keyboard'da eduthu vasichuttu post panninen. Aala vidunga, naan varla intha sruthibedham vilayaatukku :-))
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.101) on: Tue Jun 25 04:18:50 EDT 2002

Oh gosh!inda shrutibhedam vechi enna torture paNNAdeengapa!IR_Fan,I didn't ask u a thing abt. SB-I just asked u a plain,simple question-cud u spot a Ri1 in the song.Avlodaan.
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.101) on: Tue Jun 25 04:25:36 EDT 2002

Oh gosh!inda shrutibhedam vechi enna torture paNNAdeengapa!IR_Fan,I didn't ask u a thing abt. SB-I just asked u a plain,simple question-cud u spot a Ri1 in the song.Avlodaan.
From: IR_Fan (@ 202.88.152.159) on: Tue Jun 25 04:35:57 EDT 2002

Plain answer: The answer depends on whether i got the SB right or wrong, does it not? Cool it :-)
From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6) on: Tue Jun 25 05:19:49 EDT 2002

Ram:

Five episodes of Rudraveena have finished. Apart
from Sunadavinodhini they covered Dheepakam and
Amritavarshini. There was one raga two weeks
ago whose name I forgot. In a village court this
raga causes a culprit to admit his guilt.

Regarding Sunadavinodhini, I just talked to a
friend of mine who is a Carnatic music expert.
He told me that except "Devadhi Deva" (which you
mentioned) he doesn't know of any other well
known composition in this raga. He also said that,
as far as he knows, he is not aware of the power
of this raga as mentioned by the Rudraveena episode.
Do you have any facts you can add on this raga?
From: Ram (@ 63.161.27.94) on: Tue Jun 25 05:26:26 EDT 2002

SK,
Deepakam pathi sollunga sir...what emotions does that evoke?...I'm no expert sir...i'm really eager to hear abt the emotions evoked bt ragas....pls gimme more info
Thanks in advance,
Ram
From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6) on: Tue Jun 25 06:12:48 EDT 2002

Ram:

Neither am I an expert! But here is a passage from the book,
'Nad: Understanding Raga Music' by Sandeep Bagchee...

One of the well-known stories (there being quite a few versions of this) is
based on a belief that a proper rendering of the raga Dipak could not only
light lamps but also set the singer aflame. Gopal Naik, one of the few singers
capable of singing this raga, was commanded by the Emperor Akbar to sing it
and was burnt to death, despite having immersed himself neck deep in the waters
of the Yamuna river! Another version has Tansen as the singer but fortunately a
happier ending. According to this story, he sang raga Dipak but was saved from
death by burning, as his wife (or daughter, depending on the version) realizing
the danger, immediately began singing raga Malhar in order to bring down the rain.
Her successful intervention led to his and, the emperor's palace being saved!
From a more prosaic viewpoint, one can surmise that this effect of raga Dipak
should not be taken in its literal sense, but should be taken metaphorically,
for singing this raga required such a high degree of swar sadhana that the singer
forgot his corporal identity or lost his senses in the process of singing it.

In the Rudraveena episode, a veena vidwan is walking along a street where
a homeless poor family is living. The mother is making food on the roadside and
the hungry kids are eagerly awaiting the food. Suddenly there is heavy rain,
which puts off the fire that is used for the cooking. The children cry for food, but the mother is helpless. The vidwan sits down, plays raga dheepakam on his (rudra)
veena and the fire is back on in the cooking oven, in spite of the rain.. to the delight of everyone.
From: Ram (@ 63.161.27.94) on: Tue Jun 25 06:24:41 EDT 2002

sK,
please give similar infos on other rags too9I did know abt Raga Deepak but dint know itz equivalent to deepakam in carnatic)
From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6) on: Tue Jun 25 06:35:09 EDT 2002

Ram:

I assumed that the two are the same! Someone more
knowledgeable is needed to answer this.
From: sk (@ 202.156.2.6) on: Tue Jun 25 06:38:00 EDT 2002

Ram:

I assumed that the two are the same! Someone more
knowledgeable is needed to answer this.
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.168) on: Tue Jun 25 06:48:23 EDT 2002

Plain answer: The answer depends on whether i got the SB right or wrong, does it not? >>
oh,oh,o.k.jorry!....
BTW,there's no right or wrong in SB IMO. :-)if u say its MMG,and I say its not,neither r u wrong,nor am I right;neither am I wrong,nor r u right!!!!!!
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.168) on: Tue Jun 25 06:54:01 EDT 2002

hey....no,this sounds better-both r right! :-)
Eppidiyo,Ram,enna neenga SB pathi pesa vechiteenga.
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.168) on: Tue Jun 25 07:01:10 EDT 2002

I got to know 2 songs in Dipaka(S G M P D P S
S N D N P M G R S-janyam of PanthuvarALi)-Kalanerchina(TyAgarAja)and Iruvar manali(AruNagirinAthar)-courtesy-S.Bhagyalekshmy.NEone,NElinks to these songs?
From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 195.188.191.69) on: Tue Jun 25 08:46:05 EDT 2002

SK, 'gaNa nAyakA' is a great Sunadha Vinodini song popularised by Maharajapuram Santhanam. Will collect details and get back to you.

About Deepak raaga and its effects, the explanation is, there are certain chants (manthras) and combinations of certain notes, when implemented can activate the surya nadi (liken it to Pranayamam done using the right nostril alone) to such an extent that the body system can get heated up rapidly. This is the reason why certain mantras are not in vogue and remain within esoteric bounds. The true Gayatri Mantra itself remains at the hands of a few practitioners only.
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.249) on: Tue Jun 25 10:59:59 EDT 2002

sk - excellent information - please do us all a favour and post weekly information on these ragas. Sunadha Vinodini, Deepakam are all very very rare ragas and it would be great to hear more about those ragas and their origin etc. :-)
From: IR (@ 38.220.167.249) on: Tue Jun 25 11:39:35 EDT 2002

Sindhuja, sk - is it possible for you folks to record this program - would love to get a copy of all episodes... pls
From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.75) on: Tue Jun 25 13:20:13 EDT 2002

IR,I don't think its possible for me to do that,sorry,but will do the best I can-i.e will keep u updated on all that at ROS.
Actually,all these days,I'd just vaguely heard abt. that prog.,didn't know what it was abt..Tnx to sk;must start watching it from tomorrow.

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