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Musical Merits &Demerits of IR and ARR [Only for fans, not fanatics!]

Topic started by V (@ 147.129.99.180) on Thu Jul 17 16:26:37 EDT 2003.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

To bring our healthy/unhealthy discussion on music merits and demeits of IRR and ARR out of the Thangar Bacchaan thread I starting this thread so that it would be more appropriate.

I expect people who post here to be fans and not typical fanatics. Expecially the young ARR fans and the "Theevira" Raja fans

Thanks!

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• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.139) on: Sun Jul 20 09:36:41 EDT 2003
  
  Here is how you look at simple truth and simple facts.
  
  Any clowns listening to Baba now? Any clowns listening to wateva by ARR now except few songs fron Roja, TT, and may be a few more movies? RTeason why i use the word clown(& not ppl) is coz there was some clown counting down the release for a whole month in this forum. There were quite a following in this countdown eventually. As soon as it was released(both movie and songs) they were nowhere to be found.
  
  Ppl are still discussing abt IR's 70s, 80s, 90s and present day music and they are still listening to them till now. When i turn the on the radio, i still hear his past and present music. But i don't hear much at all of ARR's previous music. When I turn on sun tv, i hear an over-representation of IR's music in adverts, serials, etc. Not forgetting the great 'Sabtha Swarangal'. You will here an abundance of IR's music EVERY SINGLE WEEK!! Why is it you don't hear Rahman's music in that show or almost anywhere? Did the so many awards(for popularity mind u and no definitely for the quality of the music) do anything to stabilise his music or or did it help you guys with the staying power of his music?? You know the answer. Look at the pathetic post somebody posted up there saying many music gurus and vidwans like his music. Goodness sake those are the very ppl working with him for their respective movie! Of coz they have to say good thing abt their own production team. You wanna look at gurus commenting on an Indian composer, pls look at IR's.
  
  And please, i'm not even talking abt BGM yet.
  
  Need anyone say more?
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.218.163) on: Sun Jul 20 09:51:13 EDT 2003
  
  hope ambleen, u r listening to IR's ATHMA still...just 9 yr old album.. remember any song from that movie? u chootiye..... everyone gives bad album... even Bryan Adams has bad songs.. leave alone ARR and IR.....
  
  and also MusicIsLife, if ur neutral.. then fine, i'm sorry for getting personal.... come up with gud points abt ARR and bad things abt. IR "also"... that makes u neutral.... sorry but i have to say ur also a "Pathetic IR-verian".....
  
  i always say IR is the best TFM MD and ARR is the best musician to be outsourced from Tamil...... so that doesent make me a fanatic.....
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Jul 20 09:54:23 EDT 2003
  
  Sreeni!!
  Damn what a command of Language, wish i had some!!
  
  Nice explanations: I surely like Nostalgia part of it, i still like Ayiram thirunal from Vikramans first movie.. (sithara murali et all)..
  but could not just agree to the demanding of quality from our composers. it is not a demand, but expectations, It is like writing software, or waiting on the table for good food. If it turns out to be a bug-software, the client is going to be really pissed, and as a person, when we dont get good food, we are naturally going to get pissed.
  We sometimes do have solutions for some of the problems to fix and go back our own ways.
  
  Unfortunately entertainment industry does not have the luxury to do it, may be a bad film, may be a bad album, We just cannot be let down by our own IDOLS. For ex When BABA turned out to be bad, all Rajni fans blamed ARR ( me being one gr8 fan of Rajni, could not accept it). but that is the way we seek, if somebody is dearest to our hearts, we surely find a default mechanism to blame it on others..
  
  So my point is there is pressure, at the end of the day, the artists are PAID that much to give what the fans want, and also satisfy themselves in the process (which is a double edged sword).
  
  IR did more times than ARR (After the initial run)
  that is my feeling , i might be wrong once again.
  
  IR turned music around to different styles, for ex Agni Natchram,Idayathai thirudathe, Anjali, and Thalapahty, but he did give at the same time super-duper hits like the ones of Chinnathambi, Rasavin manasile, this was one of IR's strengths ( that is coz he did not probably accept projects on the national or international scale), when he started composing for symphony he surely did not accept too many films... I would not say ALL recent albums turned out to be GR8, but in your heart as a fan you feel everybody should like it.. It is ofcourse a true fan mentality.. nothing wrong with that.
  
  My thinking, If somebody who is a MUSIC DIRECTOR or Music maker/composer or whatever, and His job is delivering Music, and takes time, better it be a good one and liked. If not we will surely be endlessly talking about one's gr8 ness over the other..
  
  
• From: ambleen (@ 202.156.2.139) on: Sun Jul 20 10:23:08 EDT 2003
  
  MADDY,
  
  "i always say IR is the best TFM MD and ARR is the best musician to be outsourced from Tamil"
  
  sorry IR is a composer. arr like the others is just a MD, MA(arranger), etc or watever u call him.
  
  pls don't give a single quote. if you want a comparison, list out his 800+ movies and then find the abosutle number of movies that are still being appreciated, listened, studied, etc. Now if you do that for ARR, it's as good as diggin your grave deeper :-)
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 67.85.193.232) on: Sun Jul 20 11:38:19 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy!!
  You seem to read in between lines. If you surely take some more (little time) you will find what IR did not do..
  I am not Pathetic as you might call, Just a person who has grown up with IR music enough to talk about the gr8, You will surely grow with ARR music if you get as much as IR gave us when i was in the teens or 20'es
  
  So dont try to get around with baseless arguments and neglecting what you say. that shows maturity
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.157) on: Sun Jul 20 12:05:37 EDT 2003
  
  ambleen i believe in quality.. not in quantity... so i dunt care if IR has given 800+ or 9000- songs.... Gud songs ratio(good songs out of the total songs) of IR and ARR is almost same... anyway according to ur arguement Kurt Cobain(Nirvana) is not as good as IR because he has given only 5-6 albums.....
  MusicIsLife dude , good if ur just a IR fan and not an verian....even i love IR....
  
  
• From: isai_nanban (@ 68.77.13.251) on: Sun Jul 20 13:08:36 EDT 2003
  
  there are 3 leagues of gentleman composers - each distinct and has kings in their leagues that are legends.
  
  League 1: MSV League containing, Devarajan, Arjunan, RD Burman, Vijay Bhaskar, Madan Mohan, etc..
  
  League 2: IR League, with a timbre melody not as strong as MSV league but with unparalleled versatility and creativity: This league consists of Sankar Jaikishan, Salil Chowdhry, RJain, SD Burman, Rajen Nagendra, G K Venkatesh etc..
  
  League 3: ARR League, with Karthik Raja, YSR, Harris Jayraj etc.. more youthful tunes, nowhere near MSV in melody and nowhere near IR in creativity.
  
  I would say League 1 is more singer based music and more enduring. League 2 is more orchestration, very melodious, very sweet, but not as strong a melody as MSV league. League 3 is only for the times, fleeting but very enjoyable and it survives because League 1 and 2 are rare extraordinary species pretty much extinct.
  
  Don't compare MSV with SDB or anyone other than IR. MSV' solid tunes have no parallel in entire music history. Likewise IR' creativity, originality and moods have no composere than can come close within a 1000 years this way that way. And, again MSV and IR are league of their own, most two admirable branches in the trea of music.
  
  
• From: MADDY (@ 203.94.234.178) on: Sun Jul 20 13:22:12 EDT 2003
  
  wat has karthik raja given my frnd to be compared with ARR and YSR......YSR is atleast shaping up to be a ARR but KR???? and also wat is ur definition of melody?? carnatic raaga with tabla base??? then wat about "another day in paradise" by phil colins.....is it not a melody? do you mean to say that ARR's fusion of Gujrati folk and English classical in "O rey chori(Lagaan)" is not creativity... just dunt blindly give out statements......if u dunt understand ARR then stop giving statements abt. him... just dunt bluff.......
  
  
• From: Jag (@ 35.9.26.160) on: Sun Jul 20 13:37:56 EDT 2003
  
  Ever wonder if
  Are Yaar= Maddy
  
  
• From: isai_nanaban (@ 68.77.4.161) on: Sun Jul 20 13:52:20 EDT 2003
  
  Maddy, that is my perception. KR has got more class and original than Rahman, but ARR guy has given a new sound for a new audience. KR is actually a league of his won and I would say he has the real punch and restrained style like Western pop eg; Phil Collins. Your right. As far as melody is concerned, it has to melodious (Indian classical is a basis for melodious songs) not just an attractive tune. Inspired music from other sources is not creativity it is a sign of desperation. Rahman is now abotu desperation not like he was creative (and quite original) in his heydays.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 210.214.128.85) on: Sun Jul 20 13:54:55 EDT 2003
  
  Nanbar sreeni avargalukku,
  
  mun thayarippu seithu konda badhilgalukkaaga, enathu kelviagal ezhavillai enbadhai thaalmayudan therivithu kolgiren.
  
  kelvigalin irulil irunthu velichamenum badhilai sernthadayavae naan muyalugiren.
  isai sarntha enathu kelvigalum, mudivugalum endrendrum thiranthae irukindrana. mudivugal ena naan ninaipathu veru sila kelvigalai vituu sellalam.
  
  uraiyaduthalin suvayae ithil thaan ullathu.
  enathu atharsa naaayagan isaignani solvathu pol "isai enakku theriyathu. isaiyai arinthu kollum muyarchiyil ullen. isai enakku theriya vantha piragu summa irunthu viduven."
  
  ingu uraiyadi kondu irukum avalavu perum ariyamayim vilimbil irupavargalthaam.
  arindavargal mattume ivulagam kondirunthal ippakangal venmai nirame kondirukkum.
  
  ungalathu vimarsanam ovondrikumana badhilai kudiya viraivil tharivatharkku muyalugiren.
  
  melum enathu aangila arivu kuritha thangalathu udar[manama?]sartha valiyai naan purinthu kondein.
  ayinum ungalathu aangilathai naan enathu agarathiyin thunai kondae purinthu kolla mudinthathu.
  thamizharai irupadhil ulla vedanai ithudhan. oru thamizhan innoru thamizhanai paarthu aangilam theriyathadarku elli nagai aduvathu.
  enakku ithil ellalavum vetkammilai enbadhai garvathodu solli kolgiren.
  
  nallathu ini naam roman vari vadivangalil thamizhileyae uraiadalaame? namakku namathu thai mozhi evalavu theriyum enadhai sodhithaar polum ayitru.
  
  thozhamayudan,
  rajasaranam.
  
  
• From: xml (@ 128.148.68.110) on: Sun Jul 20 14:23:52 EDT 2003
  
  Whatever let it be. Every one MSV,KVM,ARR,HJ YSR,VS,DEVA etc..made their albums hit.
  
  But IR differs from all the other MD's including Hindi MD's. He is the first and last(mostly) MD proved the importance of the music for the films. He made the producers and directors to realise the the MD as the important for the movie.
  
  You see now a days the producers and directors waiting for the actors like ajith ,vijay,vikram. They are least bothered of MD.
  
  Just Go back to 80's. No body cared of the actors. In fact producers,directors(even MR,BR),actors(even our super star) were depends on IR. I can give example many mohan,ramarajan,rajkiran,P.vasu list continues.
  I agree with that IR could not do now.
  But whatever the magic he did that no one can do in future including him.
  
  

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