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The BIGGEST mistake IR made is .........

Topic started by ARR (@ 195.92.67.65) on Mon Feb 10 15:28:28 EST 2003.
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The Biggest ever mistake IR commited in his life is not to use the genius SPB ji, IR can not give a huge hit without SPB, ok, expect sindhu bhairavai, most of early till mid 90's songs of IR were given to Jokers like Mano, who him self is BIG SPB fanatic, why does IR do this, Is he worried that SPB will take all the credit, look at Kaasi songs, all by the zombi hariharan, y not SPB?

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• From: Vaseegara (@ 202.188.25.74) on: Wed Feb 12 09:38:33 EST 2003
  
  Mythila, IR can learn a lot of things from ARR including presentation and packaging. But there is one thing lacking in IR that cannot be learnt and that is SUBSTANCE.
  
  As I said yesterday, The BIGGEST mistake IR made is ......... staying on longer than he was needed. He should have known when he should have retired.
  
  
• From: Kiran (@ 210.187.110.230) on: Wed Feb 12 10:04:45 EST 2003
  
  yeah vaseegara...
  
  he shud realize that he SHUD retire 20 years from now......
  
  
• From: punch (@ 61.11.73.84) on: Thu Feb 13 03:03:28 EST 2003
  
  Change his orchestrational style I hope it changed from Athma (Pothen's film) and bad ryhtm patterns. No doubt the level of composition has reached a highest level as compared to the earlier days and is quite evident in all the films post 1993.
  
  
  Still Ir can bring back his midas touch and the song can glorify. Precisely he should give less importance to machines and use natural stuff.
  
  Nothing to do with the choice of singers.
  
  
• From: audio guy (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Thu Feb 13 08:23:01 EST 2003
  
  IR's music really sucked from late 80's till mid 90's bfore ARR's entry to tfm. I loved his 70's and early 80's songs. After ARR's entry he tried to change his style. He was using only certain singers for a long period of time, like S.Janaki and SPB for almost all this music, not that SPB & SJ were bad they both are great legends, but it getrs bore when we listen to the same voice again and again.
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Feb 13 13:25:22 EST 2003
  
  audio guy,
  I forgive you for your ignorance. Next time you first listen to IR's late 80's and early 90's before you make a statement like that..
  
  
• From: audio guy (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Thu Feb 13 14:13:10 EST 2003
  
  Dear Mr. X,
  That is my opinion I hated his dappa music from the late 80's till mid 90's. I think he was thinking that people will listen to whatever he composes, not that he gave varieties. All the music he composed this period was very similar and the singers were either Chitra or Janaki or SPB ot Mano. Rarely he used ohter singers. But one thing though he introduced my faviorite Sunantha to tfm.
  
  Eventhough I was not born in this period, I loved his 70s and early 80s music. ARR's entry opened IR eyes (not that I am ARR's devoted fan, I like his music, the same way I liked IR;s 70s and early 80's music) to give the tfm different Varieties.
  
  
• From: mythila (@ 137.237.12.102) on: Thu Feb 13 14:15:58 EST 2003
  
  Oh no audio, IR did give good songs post 90 too. Just hear 'PaatuPaadavaa' , 'Aranmanaikili','Friends',
  'Oru Ooril OruRaajakumar' songs.
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Thu Feb 13 15:08:11 EST 2003
  
  I don't understand one thing. Why is everybody complaining that IR always used SPB, SJ and Chitra. He used them because he liked them, what's the big deal? IR was known for his speed and he used to produce songs on a daily basis and he could not afford to sit with a novice singer, tell them what he wanted and get the work out of them. IR had a good understanding with SPB, KJY, SJ and chitra and so he could get the job done quickly. He also used uma ramanan quite often (imo, uma is a better singer than many lead singers of today). Despite all this, IR did introduce many singers such as vijay (unni menon), mano, sunantha, swarnalatha (to tamil), chitra, jency, krishna chander, brammanandham, ramesh (varayo song in pagal nilavu), deepan chakravarthy, vasantha, srikumar, manjula (unnai thane in nallavanukku nallavan). I am sure there were few others but I cant remember now. Whether those singers became popular or not.. that's a different story..
  So stop complaining that IR did not introduce new singers..
  
  Take it this way, if IR did not use SPB and KJY that often, we would not of have got so many golder melodies from them... so you must thank IR for that.
  
  Has anybody complained why MSV and KVM always used TMS, PS and PBS?? I am afraid not. wonder why? because people who say that 'IR did not introduce new singers' are the ones who do not like IR. They just want to find a reason to bash him. That's all..
  
  
  
  
• From: audio guy (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Thu Feb 13 15:54:09 EST 2003
  
  Because KVW, MSV gave quality music to tfm even with when they were using PS, TMS & PBS, LRE. The music was different form movie to movie. And these singers had great voices. BuT Ir's music really sucked from mid 80's onwards.And to make thins worst it was same old tune again and again.
  That is BORING!!!!!
  
  
• From: the fuc, (@ 142.204.119.15) on: Thu Feb 13 16:42:55 EST 2003
  
  u all people are wasting your time here, so something used full.
  
  
• From: naaaaaaaaaaaaan sense (@ 65.176.168.227) on: Thu Feb 13 22:44:20 EST 2003
  
  audio guy, vayey mooduda. ;--) (simply, don't take is serious ya. keep talkin your crap ;--) no problem. if you still didn't get it, u'r the biggest mistake since ARR came ;;--)
  
  
• From: Chochan (@ 61.11.85.140) on: Fri Feb 14 03:52:27 EST 2003
  
  Alavukku Meerinal Amudhamum Nanju. Over using of SPB/SJ also a problem. It becomes monotonous.
  
  One should retire at his peak. (You can so many things like Heronie, I will act till my death) Otherwise time will kick you off.
  
  That is happening to IR.
  
  
• From: Chochan (@ 61.11.85.140) on: Fri Feb 14 04:08:16 EST 2003
  
  "...Ramya has nothing much to do, but like good wine gets better day by day with another sexy dance number. Ilayaraja’s music and re-recording are top class adding to the haunting eerie atmosphere. Another highlight of the film is that the director has not used any artificial lights, which has made the atmosphere scarier."
  
  Sify review has praise IR for his music (re-recording) of July Ganapathy. IR can continue for doing only background score instead of doing songs. He is too good for background score than any other composer in the country.
  
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.115.31.67) on: Fri Feb 14 05:41:01 EST 2003
  
  Sify has a eternal bias towards IR. So even he faulters they will write only good about him.
  This doesn't mean that he has faulterd in JG.
  That was just my opinion about Sify.
  
  JGa paaththutu vandhu..solren...hauntinga...illayanu.
  
  
  
• From: audio guy (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Fri Feb 14 08:56:30 EST 2003
  
  Naaaaansense i think you the most stupid creature I have ever came across because you dont know what I am saying here. This is just because you are an useless good for nothing dill hole. I am not here to support anyone. I just saying that is it would have been better if IR used more singers and changed his music style abit. Why would he, when rasana ketta jenmangal Like you creatures exsist to listen to all his crap and dappa music.
  
  
• From: x (@ 209.47.143.226) on: Fri Feb 14 13:07:52 EST 2003
  
  audio guy -- you are pathetic!
  You are just one of those 5 people in newtfmpage who say that IR's music is crap but millions of others think IR is God of music... so keep barking.. no body is going to support you other than those 4. You say that IR's songs from 85 to 95 were crap. I want you to list them first, with reason. Can you do that? First of all have you listened to them before?
  
  
• From: audio guy (@ 216.209.200.18) on: Fri Feb 14 14:09:26 EST 2003
  
  X, oh my dear, idotic, stupid, senseless and pathetic creature,
  
  Read closely before you open you nasty mouth to comment. I loved IR's 70s and early 80's music when he gave varities with singers like. SPB Janaki, TMS Susila, KJJ, Vani, JC, Jency, MSV Sailaja, Uma R, Sasirekha and many others. In mid 80's it was either SPB, SJ, Mano or Chitra. The music was almost same from movie to movie. Analyse and realise before you even talk. When ARR come to tfm, he change singers often and intorduce new singers regurlarly. After realising that IR copied his style. (some people need this kind of boost to open their eyes) I guess idoits like you can't do that coz, knumbskulls like you dont have enough "Brains" to do that. You guys never even analyse other music directors. Note I dont need anyone f...ing support to tell the truth and that's the truth. OPEN UP AND ACCEPT THE THRUTH
  
  
• From: Sam (@ 208.134.115.240) on: Fri Feb 14 14:33:19 EST 2003
  
  dis discussion is lots of fun. LOL!
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.52.117) on: Fri Feb 14 17:34:14 EST 2003
  
  IRs music was and still is superlative (listen to Azhagi, Ivann, JG ...). Just because he didnt choose VJ does not mean his music was bad. he was a genius and he knew which singers were best suitable for his music. merely generalizing and saying that his music after mid 80s is crap, doesnt mean much. And after all, KSC, SPB, are superlative and legendary singers.
  
  And IRs music was never "same from movie to movie".
  
  
• From: Lollu Party (@ 61.6.38.132) on: Fri Feb 14 19:44:59 EST 2003
  
  >>>You are just one of those 5 people in newtfmpage who say that IR's music is crap but millions of others think IR is God of music
  
  Dream on!
  Guess these five people are buying up all ARR albums all over the world!
  
  ... and the millions of others who think IR is God of music? Guess they are listening to his music online?
  
  Get real, people!
  
  
• From: naaz (@ 24.87.28.203) on: Fri Feb 14 21:36:22 EST 2003
  
  av -
  Looks like you are on a roll again - and how not surprising to note that VJs name pops up quite indiscriminately in each and every recent post of yours.
  Did somebody say that IRs music was crap because he did not use VJ? Or did they just speculate as to why there weren't many numbers by this accomplished team? Please do yourself a favour and read the thrust of the cross-referenced post.
  This same sinisterism continues in the KSC thread, and the who is the "melody queen" thread.
  Of course, you are entitled to your opinion just like everybody else. But I am certain I am not the only one who sees this "invisible" axe you grind on VJs name. Well, keep going, if that's what gets you a good night's sleep.
  
  
• From: av (@ 132.206.72.96) on: Fri Feb 14 23:22:09 EST 2003
  
  rest assured...twas no axe - visible or invisible. Twas my opinion. Nothing against VJ. I was just countering the argument that IRs music sounded same from movie to movie. Its no "sinisterism" either, Naaz. I just said I felt VJ was the best at semiclassical till I heard Chitra. This does not mean that VJ is inferior, but just that Chitra is just as good. I am sure that won't hurt! I am certain you are the only one imaginative enough to see the sinisterism. Good night for you!
  
  
• From: audio guy (@ 207.253.204.158) on: Sat Feb 15 10:17:18 EST 2003
  
  Thanks NAAZ you made it very clear. I salut you for that.
  
  

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