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WHY IR USED S.P.BALA MORE THAN OTHERS

Topic started by MATHURESHAN (@ 213.59.173.13) on Thu Jun 14 08:16:00 EDT 2001.
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HEY GUYS I HAVE SOME REASONS
=HIS BEST FRIEND
=TO SPOIL TMS MARKET(ONLY BALA CAN DO)
=HE COULD NOT FIND GOOD SINGERS,(NOW THIS IS DIFFERENT)

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• From: eden (@ 210.214.5.213) on: Sat Jun 23 06:05:24 EDT 2001
  
  (something Eden has mentioned earlier in different context).
  Clarification: I have mentioned explicitly about IR and not about ARR. Sorry Athi, if you have taken in that sense:-(
  
  
  
  
• From: Karthi (@ 63.21.181.163) on: Mon Jun 25 00:34:49 EDT 2001
  
  I know I am inviting a lot of trouble yet, Eden and Vijai..here the goes the list of songs that WERE IMMENSELY POPULAR AND YET I DON'T FEEL like having them... to name a few from a long list...
  
  1. All songs of PayanangaL Mudivadhillai except aE aatha, saalaiyoram & thOgai iLamayil.
  2. All songs of Udhaya Geetham except thEnE thenpaandi MeenE (SPB's version).
  3. All songs of Salangai Oli except naadha vinOdhangaL, vaan pOlE and maunamaana nEram
  4. All songs of Punngai Mannan except EdhEdhO ENNam vaLarthEn.
  5. All songs of Kaadhal Oviyam except Nadhiyil Aadhum and Naadham En JeevanE.
  6. All songs of Dhalapathi except Raakkamma and Chinnath ThaayavaL.
  
  And there's a list of films starring Vijayakanth and the like...
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Jun 25 01:56:51 EDT 2001
  
  Karthi, I dont think you invited any trouble because the above list is just your OPINION and I dont think anyone here is going to get offended by that :-))
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 25 07:01:15 EDT 2001
  
  Karthi: Vijaykanth starrer Chinna Kounder lErndhu 'muththu maNi maala..." maaththiram romba pidichchirukkumEy?:-) BTW, if you have the songs you don't want in a CD please send it my way.
  
  PS for President!!!
  
  
• From: Isaignaniyintozhan (@ 212.77.207.211) on: Mon Jun 25 11:58:28 EDT 2001
  
  But tell me you geniuses, why IR used KJYesudas the greatestsinger than SPB, in every aspects, for classical songs. Even IR declared last year that yesudas his favourite singer than any one else.
  
  comments please. i can submit the proof of this announcement, you self-praising bulls.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 12:59:07 EDT 2001
  
  I agree with Karthi. W.r.t tunes, IR was at his best in the late 70s. The 80s saw IR resorting to a tiresome style of presenting/composing a melody. Except for some notable exceptions, most melodies sounded stale and jaded the first time you heard them. Typically, the flow of the charanam would follow that of the pallavi with minor modifications and lo!!!!! you have a song. Or, finish the first line of the charanam on an ascent, close it in the second line, repeat the pallavi in the charanam on a higher scale twice (3rd and the 4th line of the charanam) , give a winding twist to the 5th line and somehow bring it to "talking" terms with the pallavi. This formula was followed for 1000's of songs. Most of those songs have been overrated by listeners who turned a deaf ear towards music of yesteryears. Most of those songs owe their existance to SPB, whose talents Tamil film music lovers of the 80s have sadly not enjoyed in toto.
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Jun 25 13:19:49 EDT 2001
  
  "...and somehow..."
  
  
  andha 'somehow'-il dhAn vishayamE irukkudhu.
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 198.133.22.72) on: Mon Jun 25 13:35:09 EDT 2001
  
  "IR was at his best in the late 70s"
  
  SL, your statement is partly true because it is applicable to almost every MD. There are very few occasions (none that I can think of) where an MD actually becomes more creative with the passage of time. Apart from that I think the period has more to do with the corresponding portion of your life than with any qualitative analysis of the songs themselves :) For example, I would say 85-90 was the best part of IR's career where he managed to balance his music with his recording techniques :-)
  
  "The 80s saw IR resorting to a tiresome style of presenting/composing...bring it to "talking" terms with the pallavi. This formula was followed for 1000's of songs"
  
  You have beautifully elaborated the very reason why I don't like ARR's music as much as IR's :-) Different people look for different things in music. I look for an experience, not entertainment. So, I don't mind not being surprised as long as the song owns my time from its beginning to the end.
  
  "Most of those songs have been overrated by listeners who turned a deaf ear towards music of yesteryears"
  
  Sadly, true. But that only means pre-IR songs should be give their long overdue credit. It does not mean IR's songs should be under-rated to establish equilibrium!
  
  "Most of those songs owe their existance to SPB, whose talents Tamil film music lovers of the 80s have sadly not enjoyed in toto"
  
  Your statement somehow seems to imply that IR was responsible for holding back SPB's talents :-) If SPB can do better than sing IR's jaded, faded, tiresome tunes, IR is not exactly holding a gun to his head, is he? Probably SPB's bad luck that a better MD than IR was not around between '76 & '92 to do justice to SPB's talents (of course, I am snickering ;-))
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 13:46:06 EDT 2001
  
  Srinath,
  ....IR was responsible for holding back SPB's talents..
  No, his melodies were :))
  Probably SPB's bad luck that a better MD than IR was not around between '76 & '92 to do justice to SPB's talents (of course, I am snickering ;-))
  Now you are giving in to ARRHCF:))
  
  pg,
  you are making a mystery out of all this. That "somehow" is not as abstract or as grand a product of a different paradigm as you would like the forumers to believe.
  
  
• From: pg (@ 12.20.190.1) on: Mon Jun 25 13:53:36 EDT 2001
  
  Sriram :
  
  "That "somehow" is not as abstract or as grand a product of a different paradigm as you would like the forumers to believe. "
  
  No it is not. But that somehow is the spark that comes from a creative mind and cannot be reduced to a formula as you tried to do.
  
  I do not agree with this : "Most of those songs owe their existance to SPB". SPB is a great singer probably the greatest of them all but the performer is never greater than the composer in my eyes.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 25 13:59:41 EDT 2001
  
  SL: You confuse me. While I am trying to understand (and even partially agree your viewpoints) your post, the part about agreeing with Karthi, is throwing me off. If you talk about the songs which he has excluded from his list like Ilayanila, thOgai iLamayil, Sangeedha jaadhi mullai, kaalam kaalamaaga vandha kadhalukku.....- they are unique rather than the formula which you presented. In fact, it was during the 80s I believe IR did Agni Nakshatram too.
  
  For a prolific composer like IR, it is very easy to find 1000 bad songs. Keep in mind that MSV was also on the wane in terms of creativity in the latter part of his career.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 14:25:17 EDT 2001
  
  pg, if you think that is creativity, so be it.
  rajaG, I was agreeing with Karthi's earlier post, not the latest one.
  For a prolific composer like IR, it is very easy to find 1000 bad songs. I perfectly agree, precisely the reason why I do not consider his prolificity as a criteria for creativity (or for any considerations) at all.
  Keep in mind that MSV was also on the wane in terms of creativity in the latter part of his career.
  Yes, in the latter part of his career only. In the mid 80's, IR would have been only 6-7 years old in the industry.
  
  
• From: Closing Italics (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 14:26:00 EDT 2001
  
  
  
• From: Closing Italics (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 14:26:08 EDT 2001
  
  
  
  
• From: Closing Italics (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 14:26:19 EDT 2001
  
  
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 14:26:57 EDT 2001
  
  Yes, in the latter part of his career only. In the mid 80's, IR would have been only 6-7 years old in the industry.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: hari (@ 216.141.67.251) on: Mon Jun 25 14:28:37 EDT 2001
  
  I think a sensible person in any field delivers only whatever is required for that particular situation he finds himself.
  
  When Sampras is playing against some 1000 th ranked player, he doesnt boom in and play breathtaking shots or dive around. Ull see him calm, easy, not exert himself. Whereas against Agassi, he ll raise his game.
  
  I believe IR gave a good movie its due - interms of creativity and effort from his side. I think he was clear that he was one of the supporting technicians in a "movie industry". If the movie was good, the music he gave never fell short. Trash deserved trash only. This is true of any huuman being. If ur 10 % effort is good enough to keep everyone hapy, why give 110%?
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 25 14:28:57 EDT 2001
  
  aah SL! 6000 la 1000 dhandaththukkum 1200 la 1000 dhandaththukkum viththiyaasam illiyaa? (Please check under the name Mukesh, Udit Narayan, Kumar Sanu, SAR for examples in the latter category):-)
  
  
• From: MS (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Mon Jun 25 14:29:36 EDT 2001
  
  he did sindhubhairavi too in 80s.
  
  
• From: Sriram Lakshman (@ 12.47.54.252) on: Mon Jun 25 14:37:45 EDT 2001
  
  MS, athAn notable exceptions-nnu sollittEnE:). BTW, SB doesn't rank all that highly on my list, except for 'mari mari ninnE' (because he gave it a different tune that too a decent one) and the BharathiyAr song , VM and KJY are the true winners. Otherwise, IMO the semi-classical/classical stuff in the movie is pretty mediocre. 'PoomAlai..' is the greatest example of a disjointed semi-classical melody in TFM. Had this album been released during the times of 'ThiruviLayAdal' or 'kandan karuNai' , it would have been a non-starter for sure.
  
  rajaG, Karthi made a valid point in his earlier post, IR was not close to his own best in the 80s.
  
  
• From: rajaG (@ 207.43.195.201) on: Mon Jun 25 14:50:55 EDT 2001
  
  SL: Yeah! But what about Mahaa Ganapathim? (Oh adhu Dikshadhar account la sErththiyaa?:-))
  
  
• From: Srinath (@ 32.97.136.237) on: Mon Jun 25 14:59:47 EDT 2001
  
  SL:
  Creativity-wise IR wasn't the SAR of the 80s as you make him out to be. I hate to change tracks mid-way, but if IR's creativity didn't exist after 1980, what explains the brilliant BGM scores? Of course, you could argue that even the BGMs were contrived and formulaic :-) But that wouldn't be a fair argument. It would be like claiming that "PS is best and best and best of the best" ;-)
  
  OTOH, one could argue that MSV's creativity was spread thin across very many years, whereas IR's burst forth in a torrent and subsided earlier. Or you could say that MSV was creative within a much smaller boundary than IR and hence his creativity is more pronounced. We could endlessly argue like this to satisfy our egos :-) Truth remains that between '76 and '92 IR was the most creative MD in India, not just TFM. Oh! As for giving in to HCARRFs, that won't happen, since I rarely listen to TFM composed after 92 :-)
  
  
• From: Trend(nitpicking) (@ 216.68.113.230) on: Mon Jun 25 15:21:54 EDT 2001
  
  Srinath,
  
  "Or you could say that MSV was creative within a much smaller boundary than IR and hence his creativity is more pronounced."
  
  It doesn't make sense to me.Are you assuming that MSV and IR's creativity is equal?How can two persons have the same creativity?
  
  "As for giving in to HCARRFs, that won't happen, since I rarely listen to TFM composed after 92 :-)".
  
  If I'm right,"rarely" means the gems of IR after '92.
  
  "Truth remains that between '76 and '92 IR was the most creative MD in India, not just TFM".
  
  Yeah,he was more creative than R.D Burman and Shankar Ganesh
  
  

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