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Raga of song please

Topic started by Gopal Prasad (@ greed.cs.umass.edu) on Sat May 17 07:42:45 EDT 1997.
All times in EDT +9:30 for IST.

The popular notation used on this page. The twelve notes of an octave are the following.

1   2   3   4   5   6   7  8   9  10  11  12
S  R1  R2  R3  G3  M1  M2  P  D1  D2  D3  N3
       G1  G2                     N1  N2

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• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Tue Jul 9 15:19:02 EDT 2002
  
  Using SB fundas outlined in http://www.hindubooks.org/culture/carnatic/grahabedam_and_symmetries/page1.htm
  
  I tried to generate 12 digit binary strings from:
  
  1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12
  S R1 R2 R3 G3 M1 M2 P D1 D2 D3 N3
  G1 G2 N1 N2
  
  (0 = absent, 1 = present)
  
  
  kharaharapriyaa
  
  Aa: S R2 G2 M1 P D2 N2 S
  Av: S N2 D2 P M1 G2 R2 S
  
  Represented as: 101101010110
  
  harikaambhOji
  
  Aa: S R2 G3 M1 P D2 N2 S
  Av: S N2 D2 P M1 G3 R2 S
  
  Represented as: 101011010110
  
  
  Moving M1 to S shows the relationship between khharaharapriya (melakarta for bhimpalasi) and harikhamboji (melakarta for senjuruti) ... is this right? Maybe that can "explain" something???
  
  Next posting from Sundar's manasakshi :)
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234) on: Wed Jul 10 04:35:25 EDT 2002
  
  Is there any relation between Charukesi and Shanmugapriya(SB???)
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.63) on: Wed Jul 10 05:26:18 EDT 2002
  
  Nope. :-)
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.63) on: Wed Jul 10 05:28:55 EDT 2002
  
  The 2 vary in Ga and Ma-so not really similar enough to confuse one...
  They rn't SBs either.
  
  
• From: Vidhya (@ 12.148.251.114) on: Wed Jul 10 12:51:22 EDT 2002
  
  Sundar: Bhimplasi can be easily made out of the picture with the clear "pa ni2 sa" in aarohaNam.
  whereas senjurutti uses dha2 in aarohaNam.
  (pa dha2 ni2 sa)
  
  Bhimplasi has only ga2.
  Senjurutti has Ga3 and occasional(not everybody does it) Ga2.
  
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Wed Jul 10 15:39:55 EDT 2002
  
  Thanks Vidhya, the distinction seems quite clear in the feel and the phrases .... the overall exercise of distinguishing between all the different songs and why they may give some similarities was fascinating for me. Bored everyone to silence in the meantime :)
  
  
• From: ram (@ 134.121.73.124) on: Wed Jul 10 18:12:53 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhu,
  I'm still not convinced...listen to the song "Sakkara katti Sakkara Katti" in Ulle veLiyE and "Siriya Paravai" these two songs are definitely Charukesi but whenever I listen to these songs I get a Shanmugapriya feel(esp. in the first song)....
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ ) on: Wed Jul 10 21:02:42 EDT 2002
  
  Ram,the only possibility is that u feel it's SMKP when there r PaDaNiSa prayOgams(as these 3 swarAs r common to both).
  Will listen to those songs shortly....
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.27) on: Wed Jul 10 23:45:12 EDT 2002
  
  Missed rudraveeNai yesterday-waiting for review from sk.
  
  
• From: magen (@ 203.106.106.78) on: Thu Jul 11 10:37:32 EDT 2002
  
  tq , dear friend i also like ragas very much , tq , for the explainations
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sat Jul 13 02:34:48 EDT 2002
  
  Last in Rudraveenai, it was Nayana Ranjani ragam.
  It is known to cure eye diseases. I am not a technical person, hence didnt see the Aro/Avaro of the raga.
  
  A small girl is hurt in eyes and gets treated. The mysterious man plays this raga in veena and the girl is back to normal in few minutes.
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.216.54) on: Sat Jul 13 09:19:48 EDT 2002
  
  Dunno much but this is what I was able to find about Nayanaranjani:
  
  Derived from melam 27, Sarasangi
  with krama arohanam, and the
  vakra avarohanam sa ni pa ni dha ma ga ri sa.
  
  More here: http://www.carnatic-music.com/ragas/ranjani.html
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.129) on: Sat Jul 13 14:01:50 EDT 2002
  
  Sundar-cool link-never knew there were so many Ranjanis!
  Ram-NE link for those songs?
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.200.5.129) on: Sat Jul 13 14:05:59 EDT 2002
  
  Venkatesh,tnx. for the update on RudraveeNai
  
  
  Wish I'd watched it......
  curse my luck-shud there be some rare rAgA like this only when I miss it!!???? :-(
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sun Jul 14 00:46:56 EDT 2002
  
  In the song Sriranga ranga nathanin (Mahanadhi) what are the 2 ragas? How are they fused seamlessly? Can somebody explain.
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.250.9) on: Sun Jul 14 08:39:22 EDT 2002
  
  Venkatesh,
  In 'Sri Ranga Ranga Nathanin PAdam;, the Pallavi is set to 'Mohanam' whereas the CharaNams are in 'Hamsadhwani'.
  
  Can somebody clarify the raga of this old Ilayaraaja song please?
  Film: Panchami
  Singer: P. Susheela
  It looks like Karaharapriya for most part of the song. Here's a link. Look for "Panchami".
  
  http://www.muthamil.com/songs/mn_page.jsp?md=M00001&pg=P00012
  
  Thanks
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Sun Jul 14 09:16:54 EDT 2002
  
  Peter Pan - thanks for the info. Do these 2 ragas have any common swaras? How did IR combine the ragas to appear seamless? Please explain in simple terms if possible.
  
  
• From: Peter Pan (@ 170.140.252.192) on: Mon Jul 15 00:18:05 EDT 2002
  
  Ok.. let me try, with my limited knowledge :)
  
  Both MOhanam and Hamsadhwani are pentatonic ragas (ie. ragas that consist of 5 notes):
  
  Mohanam:
  Ascnet: S R2 G3 P D2 S
  Descnet: S D2 P G3 R2 S
  
  Hamsadhwani:
  Ascent: S R2 G3 P N3 S
  Descent: S N3 P G3 R2 S
  
  As you can see, the difference is that Dha is replaced by Ni in the latter.
  
  So, when the pallavi in the song 'Sri Ranga' (composed in MOhanam) proceeds to the stanzas, (which are set in Hamsadhwani) the transition becomes very smooth, sometimes even unnoticeable.
  
  Usually in Carnatic compositions, a Ragamalika (song which has a sequence of Ragas), 'close' ragas such as the above example are usually avoided, just to ensure that each of them stands out.
  
  Trivia:
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  It is interesting to note that both MOhanam and Hamsadhwani, though appear to be siblings do not share the same Mother Raga. Mohanam is said to be a 'janya' raga of Harikambhoji (MeLakartha raga No. 28) whereas Hamsadhwani is a 'janya' raga of ShankarabharaNam (No. 29).
  
  Hope this helps.
  
  
• From: Venkatesh (@ 212.72.11.66) on: Mon Jul 15 02:03:30 EDT 2002
  
  Peter Pan - thanks for the info, it was lucid. I could understand somewhat.
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.111) on: Tue Jul 16 06:42:30 EDT 2002
  
  IR,IR_Fan,MS,Sundar,Ram........this is tooooo much!!!
  Going into hiding for this long a time...-idu ungallukke nyAyamA irukkA?
  ellArum enga poiteenga?
  Enna,velaya?Don't sweat it out this much! ;-)
  
  
• From: IR (@ 38.220.167.232) on: Tue Jul 16 14:14:23 EDT 2002
  
  hi Sindhuja - ellam oru bayam kalandha mariyaadhai thaan ungaLukku ;-) Just kidding
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.50) on: Tue Jul 16 20:44:32 EDT 2002
  
  hi IR!
  AnAlum vanda udane kindal-aa? :-(
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234) on: Wed Jul 17 01:59:12 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhu,
  Siriya Paravai is in raaga.com film name is "Andha Oru Nimidam"...but from the great MS I came to know that it is not a pure Charukesi but a diluted one...that may be the reason I'm getting a SKMP feel:-)
  
  
• From: Tony (@ 61.1.220.220) on: Wed Jul 17 02:48:09 EDT 2002
  
  Dear sir,
  What is the raga in the song "ANJALI ANJALI" in the film "ANJALI"
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 134.121.72.148) on: Wed Jul 17 03:36:13 EDT 2002
  
  Tony,
  My guess is it is based on Shankarabaranam....Experts will clarify:-)
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.176.18) on: Wed Jul 17 06:36:55 EDT 2002
  
  Tony,Ram-ShankarAbhAraNam it is. :-)
  Ram,I'd better not open my mouth on siriya paravai-coz I hear it as KeeravANi(due to obvious reasons).But the 2nd interlude and the 2nd charaNam r clearly in Charukesi.
  I tried figuring the swarAs for the rest of the song(i.e other than the 2nd charaNam and interlude)in the other scale (so as to get chArukesi)and found that there r foreign swarAs like Ri1-so not pure chArukesi.But I still dunno how u got an SMKP feel.
  vAya tharakkalai-nnu sollittu ivLO pesitten!Manikkavum. :-)
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 134.121.72.148) on: Wed Jul 17 06:39:08 EDT 2002
  
  Sindhuja,
  Thanks for the insight:-)
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.26.234) on: Wed Jul 17 13:53:09 EDT 2002
  
  Heard from a friend of mine that today's Rudraveena's Ragam was Hamsanandhi and this Ragam is supposed to make noisy children silent it seems...Guys I have my own doubts abt the validity of these claims:-)
  
  
• From: Sundar Atre (@ 130.203.164.198) on: Wed Jul 17 23:50:29 EDT 2002
  
  Present Miss
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Thu Jul 18 03:26:10 EDT 2002
  
  Experts,
  today's song of the day 'Oranjaaram" sounds desh thro'out the song...but SPB says "Enda Desh kku maaritta"....does hat mean intially the song is in a differnt ragam...pls throw some light:-)
  
  
• From: Ram (@ 63.161.25.156) on: Thu Jul 18 04:03:33 EDT 2002
  
  MS the great clarified my doubt reg. my prev posting...the song starts in kaapi and goes to Desh(kapi and Desh are close ragas)...yaam peRRa inbam....:-)
  
  
• From: Sindhuja (@ 203.197.182.42) on: Thu Jul 18 10:29:09 EDT 2002
  
  Sundar, :-)
  Ram and others,in RudraveeNai,it was not exactly what Ram has said.it was given that when u hear the rAgA hamsAnandi,u get the same feel as that when u'r caressing a child(the softness etc.)
  
  

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