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Why ARR ignores established/Senior singers?

Topic started by NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on Tue Aug 6 10:50:06 EDT 2002.
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ARR always promoted new, unheard voices right from the beginning, he always used senior and established singers like PS, SPB,SJ, Yesudass, Mano, Chitra for very less songs. He promoted many new singers. One benefit he got out of this is that we are able to hear fresh voices, but on the other hand he lost the quality of songs by compromising with horrible pronounciation of these singers, lack of experience and definetely missing the punch those experienced singers had.

There are lot of songs, I thought the song would have better if sang by somebody else. Latest BABA too has a wrong selection of singers. Particularly Shankar Mahadevan and Reena Bhardwaj. I would have preferred Sujatha over Reena. What could be the reason?

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• From: smiley (@ 203.197.83.35) on: Wed Aug 14 05:27:07 EDT 2002
  
  kaumudi and raghu:
  
  Raghuvaran swami says:
  Kaumudi;
  me 2, it was so hilariously made up carp, haha :))
  
  As far as I know, a carp belongs to the class Pisces..in other words it is a fish. :)
  
  Kaumudi:
  I forgot to mention one more point. SPB is the greatest and much greater than nasal hariharan, sonu nigam, unnikrishnan (they are female singers hehehe :-)), because his kattais are much deeper. Only SPB can sing in muthulang kattai as well as ettan kattai. At ettan kattai, unnikrishnan sounds feminine, kjy screeches, rafi groans at muthulang kattai, but S P BASS-SUBRAMANIAM has most powerful,divinest,richest voice with 40,000+ songs in only 35 years with best expression,modulation and punch.
  
  now u must accept - spb is greatest, tikke ;-)
  
  ;-) ;-) ;-)
  
  
• From: curses (@ 203.199.231.76) on: Wed Aug 14 05:55:08 EDT 2002
  
  >>Curses!! It should obviously be from you..
  Even i can give you that illusion.. by logging in and logging out 100 times, and i can use 100 different IDs with 100 different IPs. Admit it Curses. Are you one of those stupid Nijam
  
  <<
  
  check this out pleeze.
  ithu enna police interrogation maari, "admit it" ellam solareenga?!! :)
  neways..
  believing or not is ur lookout.
  smiley, tell him pls.
  
  ps:
  if this is the condition for two diff ip ids, imagine the situation if these folx had been around when the Bharath-Vijay and er.. forgot-the other-person controversy broke!
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Wed Aug 14 08:36:29 EDT 2002
  
  >>> am sure KJY will be out of this competition, surely 99% will agree with me
  
  With NOM to KJY, I would like to state that I am one amoung the 99%.
  
  I certainly believe that SPB is the most versatile Cine singer we have ever had. With due respect to MR, KK, TMS, PS, SJ, KJY and all other greats, I say this SPB is definitely one step ahead of all of them in terms of versatality in Cine Playback singing. THis is probably a Univerasal Truth IMHO.
  
  
• From: Raghu (@ 217.158.120.226) on: Wed Aug 14 09:05:29 EDT 2002
  
  Are Yaar;
  
  >>I certainly believe that SPB is the most versatile Cine singer we have ever had. With due respect to MR, KK, TMS, PS, SJ, KJY and all other greats, I say this SPB is definitely one step ahead of all of them in terms of versatality in Cine Playback singing. <<
  
  
  that's what I have been trying to say for that last, never mind :(
  sighs!
  
  but I get bashed 4 telling the truth!
  
  
• From: Are Yaar (@ 203.197.141.186) on: Wed Aug 14 09:18:37 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu:
  
  You were a bit harsh and repetitive, I believe, in the beginning. And also there were that Kattai fight. But, what ever anybody says, even now SPBs voice is as fresh as it used to be some 10-15 years before. When SPB sings , you know he is singing. There are several clones for the other greats now. Very difficult to identify that in first instance.
  
  I don't want to fight on this. But, I have this strong opinion and I see no reason to change that in the near future.
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Wed Aug 14 12:19:17 EDT 2002
  
  I dont know if that will be 99%. What ever that % I am on that.
  
  
• From: raji (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Wed Aug 14 14:36:22 EDT 2002
  
  You have to listen to KJYs songs in malayalam to appreciate his versatile singing. he was no.1 singer in malayalam films for 30 years!!! SPB did not succeed in malayalam. In tamil songs you can listen to Pazhamudhirsolai enakagathan from the movie Varusham 16. That is a good example of KJYs class. It is a very difficult song but he sings that with good ease and success! Or even listen to Meenkodi theril or Thoongadha vizhigal rendu or Va va anbe anbe. deivam thandha veedu...and many more. KJY excels.
  SPB is versatile in tamil songs. Rafi was versatile in hindi songs. But don't say things like MOST or BEST. Singers can only sing songs which the mds give them. IR gave SPB more songs than KJY or others, but that is not proof KJYs lack of versatility. Have a survey about KJYs versatility in malayalam music and you will see 100% in agreement!!
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Wed Aug 14 15:25:15 EDT 2002
  
  Raghu!! with due respect to SPB i still raji got a point. Listen to Malayalam songs. Do you think
  'Mari Mari Ninne' could have been sung by SPB with same grace? Vedham Nee song? SPB voice is sweet i agree. But KJY voice is divine. ex. SPB sings the song aayarpadi maligayil like a romantic song.
  KJY
  
  Village songs
  1) Vecha parva maradadi - Illamai Kolam
  2) Naan erikkara - outstanding number -Chinnatayee
  3) Erikkara poongatre - Thooral Ninnu pochu
  
  
  Romantic songs
  1) Ennyuir thane
  2) Akkarai Cheemai
  3) Vellai Pura Ondru
  4) Ramanin Mohanam
  5) Pada vandado
  6) Unnaithane
  7) Hey Padal ondru
  8) Chinnanjiru vayadhil
  
  Fast Beat song
  1) Thanni thotti
  2) Vare vaa - Pudhukavithai
  3) vangalakadale - Manadhi Urudhi vendum
  4) Poo Malarndida
  
  Serious Song
  1) Deivam Thanda Veedu
  2) Manadhil Urudhi vendum - MUV
  (same song he sang pleasantly in Ezavathu manithan)
  3) Agaram Ippo Sigaram achu
  
  Solo
  
  1) Pazamudir Cholai
  2) Illa Nenje vaa
  
  Carnatic
  1) Vedham Nee
  2) Mari Mari
  3) All songs in His Highness abdulla
  4) Adal Kalaiye
  5) Kamalam Padhakamalam (Moga Mul.. SPB cannot possibly sing this song with the same divineness)
  Pathos
  1) Vellai Pura ondru
  2) Ezisai Geethame Enakkoru
  
  
  
  Is there any category you would like to add...
  
  Like Raji said His best songs are in malayalam.
  I envy mallus because of this.
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Wed Aug 14 15:45:42 EDT 2002
  
  Let us forget who is No1 SPB or KJY for a while. Both have large fans. Let each fan decide who is great. Why cant we analyse this thread's topic?
  
  Why ARR or even IR (Nowadays), Deva ignore these greats?
  
  
• From: NCR (@ 206.30.30.2) on: Wed Aug 14 16:06:55 EDT 2002
  
  Siva
  
  Still after so much discussion, reason why ARR mostly ignores these greats in unknown,. When we ourselves are enjoying these greats singing songs and giving number of examples, cant the MD's who are ignoring doesnt have any of these similar thoughts? Why would one want to make his/her own composed song to be low. Why wouldnt one want to make it hit by a good/great singer? ARR is definetely the leader for this and others are just followers of the trend.
  
  
  
• From: raji (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Wed Aug 14 16:32:58 EDT 2002
  
  Unmai has given a good list of KJY songs. even IR gave KJY variety of songs in malayalam which in tamil were given to SPB!! Both singers are great, but many fans here are forcing their own preference as BEST and MOST in many threads!! That is the problem I am having with Raghu saying that SPB has no equal! That is very false statement IMO. The listing above can prove this to be very biased statement of HCSPB fan!
  
  On the topic of this thread, IMO, singers like KJY, vani jayaram, uma ramanan, p.jayachandran, s.janaki, sirgahisivachidambaram, etc are all superior and trained in classical music and know much more about ragas and raga prayoga than ARR. They are also serious and established as versatile singers. ARR does not have toomuch classical music training in hindustani or carnatic music. So it becomes a problem for him to work with singers who have more knowledge than him! Many senior / well -respected singers are also fluent in tamil language and know the pronunciation and grammar of southern language. ARRs choice of new singers have no grounding in language or music just like him. So it is easy to have them sing his tunes as they are happy for the chance to sing!! They will praise him, even though he has no deep understanding of indian music system! This is a shame, but tamil masses is also sharing the blame for this trend. Why tamils are supporting singers who cannot sing tamil properly? Why are they buying tapes and praising even stupid, araikurai songs and singing?? That is the big question mark, IMO.
  
  
• From: Kaumudi (@ 136.142.153.250) on: Wed Aug 14 16:40:31 EDT 2002
  
  But don't say things like MOST or BEST. Singers can only sing songs which the mds give them.
  Good point Raji. Precisely what I was thinking.
  
  Raghu
  You think I am not an SPB fan? Do you know how good it feels to hear SPB with his clear enunciation and emotion-conveying skills after listening to a bunch of language-murdering singers? I just don't go around talking in superlatives, that's all. When you don't have a good sample for your survey, you should never talk in the superlative degree. I hope you understand what point I am trying to get acress!
  
  
• From: Unmai (@ 24.130.233.129) on: Wed Aug 14 17:31:02 EDT 2002
  
  I once again agree with you raji . ARR doesn't speak tamil very well. His pronounciation of words are also awful. A composer has to sing for the singers. Imagine ARR singing a carnatic song to KJY!!! (He cannot compose a hardcore carnatic is another matter) KJY will committ suicide!! When it comes to singing carnatic songs in movies, KJY is clearly one of the best in India.
  Some people declare outright so and so is the best singer.. You cannot possibly do that. KJY is the first singer to win 4 national awards on the trot(1990,1991,1992,1993). All 4 for Malayalam movies!!! Imagine how well he would have sung those songs.
  
  visit www.yesudas.com you will understand how much he is adored and respected. SPB is a very humble guy unlike his fans. Hope his fans learn something from him. Even SPB considers Yesudas is the best singer in India.
  
  
• From: AG (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Wed Aug 14 17:35:50 EDT 2002
  
  "ARR doesn't speak tamil very well"
  
  May be he doesn't want to.
  
  
• From: siva (@ 63.170.144.101) on: Wed Aug 14 18:06:31 EDT 2002
  
  If SPB considers Yesudas as the best singer in India that does not necessarily mean SPB fans should follow suit. Everyone has got the right to like and consider as BEST his favourite singer.
  
  Ya. I agree that instead of saying "SPB is the BEST or GREATEST singer", the politically correct thing would be "I like SPB most than any other singer". Let us keep that way. Anyway these are all personal matters and no need to try to from consensus.
  
  
• From: raji (@ 209.11.42.194) on: Wed Aug 14 20:13:50 EDT 2002
  
  Everybody has a preference, that is accepted. But nobody has the right to impose impose their favourite as everybody's favourite!! Hope you get the point. What is politically correct in this?? Say you find so-so more appealing or you like them because of this reason or that reason. But don't speak or assert your choice on others!
  
  If ARR does not want to speak Tamil the way a native tamilian speaks or sings that is his right or choice. But I am not paying to listen to tamil that does not sound like native tamil or proper tamil. And so I can criticize his choice and lack or knowledge!! Why this question of proper tamil was not there during MSV or IRs early days?? Why this question is arising only after the introduction of ARR in tamil field? Is that not proof of his interest in the language or the singers he chooses?? Can you answer that?
  
  

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