Home   Forum   Wiki   Notes   Register   FAQ   Sitemap   About Us   Contact Us  

ARR's interview in Hindu .....-Intresting Point

Topic started by MumbaiRamki (@ 63.186.8.168) on Sun Dec 12 18:45:07 EST 2004.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/12/13/stories/2004121300340100.htm

1.The 'Yuhi chaala ' song from swades was orginally composed for Lagaan .

2.Harris Jeyaraj worked with him only for 2 films !!

3.On today's music -
"What is today's Tamil film music all about? They are nothing more than fast numbers or remix downloaded. What took me weeks to make music for a "Gentleman" or "Rangeela" can be done today if you have a computer, software and then pre-set the rhythms and you have a disco number! Fast music is no big deal today as anyone can become a music director"

4.Rajiv Menon film in tamizh .

---

Responses:

• Old responses
  
• From: observer (@ 12.77.90.141) on: Sat Dec 18 11:48:06 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "Theres a difference. And yet you feel these are the MDs who are taking us thru a quest of space, timbre and what not. Amusing :-)"
  
  You didn't read a word of what I said, did you? Now THAT's amusing.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 12.77.80.98) on: Sat Dec 18 14:30:19 EST 2004
  
  Shyam:
  
  "Jus because i use a darbuka or a doumbek for a few seconds, doesnt make my song feel arabic/ middle eastern! "
  
  Percussion instruments at this point retain no strong connection to their cultural origins, since rhythm travels so quickly and widely. However, melodic instruments like winds/strings continue to largely be used as signifiers of specific/exotic locale, barring a few like the sax, trumpet, flute and the violin that for historical reasons have gained international currency. The bagpipe to me still conveys a strong whiff of its roots, just as the didgeridoo does of the Australian outback as in DCH, or the kora would of its African association.
  
  However if you're looking for stronger Irish doses in your fusions I wish you good luck on your journey.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 12.77.80.98) on: Sat Dec 18 14:54:09 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "I agree some old-timers have that view. this is about a composer not able to spot a wrong note in his own composition. Theres a difference."
  
  So the question is who spotted it for him? If it was SPB it's possible that he was applying older and more restrictive standards to newer compositional freedoms. If it was the composer in question himself who realised, or was apprised of, and acknowledged, his mistake, that should be allowed and overlooked. A mistake in pop, unlike classical, is not a criminal offence punishable by death. A series of such mistakes, unredeemed by any creativity whatsoever, will in any case soon remove the composer from the reckoning (AR Rehana anyone?). ARR and HJ have admitted to composing terrible songs on occasion, why shouldn't the young composer be allowed a similar sanction?
  
  As you can see, right now we're doing little more than nitpicking each-other's statements of each-others statements of each-other's....Since our fundamental positions are clear and obvious to both of us and everyone else here, and we're not going to change those positions anytime soon, there is less juice left in this discussion than in sugarcane squeezed 50 times. If you want to keep contributing feel free to do so. I'll move onto other topics.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 68.38.226.171) on: Sat Dec 18 17:30:54 EST 2004
  
  ippo puriyuthu unga kailyula evalavu time irukkunu.. evalavu periya posts!!!
  
  Dude
  the only thing, even though there was a monopoly MD, there was constant variety and he beat his own expectation!! that is my opinion
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 70.16.108.192) on: Sun Dec 19 10:18:14 EST 2004
  
  Anbesivam: I haven't heard that carnatic song well enough. IIRC, I recall listening to Maharajapuram Santhanam render it. However, if you say so, I am willing to believe it. I have heard enough numbers of ARR reminding one or other of old songs by MSV or IR, so it is not surprising.
  
  Observer: I agree ARR has had a string of commercial failures since 2000, the likes of which he did not experience in the nineties. I also still believe, Ramki's list notwithstanding, that all the commercial successes (barring, arguably, Boys) since 2000 have been tied to the box office success of the movies themselves. The only conclusion that I am able to make is that the string of new MDs have indeed been able to mimic ARR successfully, so much so that ARR's music itself is not that hot anymore. It is reasonable to conclude that, true to the adage that all good (!) things must come to an end, ARR's reign of TFM ended by 2000. That by itself should not be a slur on ARR's capabilities; MSV and IR also experienced it. It is inevitable, this passing on of the baton (so to say).
  
  
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.51.134.219) on: Sun Dec 19 12:44:23 EST 2004
  
  "You believe:
  1) Neither Rahman nor you care about the commercial outcome of his projects.
  2) His creativity is as its peak and far exceeds that of his competition.
  "
  
  Observer, I never claimed 1 or 2 . Its just YOUR interpretation/inference/imagination. Rahman is not at his peak creatively. Where did I say that. I just feel that his good to bad stuff ratio is still significantly higher than his younger counterparts, commercial successes or failures notwithstanding. His creativity is now being put to use mostly in NON-IFM projects which I guess takes a lot out of him and for which he has set high priority.
  
  Reg 1. Rahman of course cares, otherwise he wouldnt spent weeks composing for an album. Bbut a few misses in TFM shouldnt scare him to death as he has a better coverage market-wise. If a couple of TFM albums flop then Bombay Dreams or something else somewhere scores and so on. This is not 1995 where Rrahman is all TFM and nothing else.
  As far his comments on his competitors I dont think that he went out of way to criticize them or anything. Now that he has some stature he is probably being more forthright and less shy about his comments than he was, say 10 years back when he was still a newcomer and must have been careful, regarding commenting on others works. That shouldnt be mistaken for insecurity.
  
  Anyways, we have been going around in circles and I surely think you will find something to nitpick in my post. So lets put this to rest and move on as you say.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Sun Dec 19 16:33:06 EST 2004
  
  "Now that he has some stature he is probably being more forthright and less shy about his comments than he was, say 10 years back when he was still a newcomer and must have been careful, regarding commenting on others works. That shouldnt be mistaken for insecurity."
  Vijay
  
  I agree to this!!
  
  
• From: Jaiganesh (@ 203.101.103.2) on: Sun Dec 19 22:01:56 EST 2004
  
  Hi!
  
  One small inference by me from some recent posts(I hope I am allowed to infer in this thread).
  1. ARR is very costly!
  2. his clones are cheap.
  3. Though ARR has slipped in commercial viability, he still has better output than his clones
  4. ARR success ratio is 60 to 80 %(60 claimed by observer, 80 claimed by Vijay & Co.)
  Assume ARR charges 1 crore and his clones charge 25 lacs (max). Hmm..
  Also Assume I am a producer, then If I am using ARR and he gives me the 40 - 20 % stuff then I incur a huge loss. Whereas if I use his clones and by chance if their music is received very well, then I go to the bank laughing! Add to all this,if I am a Tamil movie producer, I have to sign a stupid agreement with ARR that all his tunes are his properties and can't be resold by me, then all I get is the sale in TFM only. So the whole point of using ARR is negated. And this didn't happen because of any new situation, it is a self made situation by ARR. So to come out of this
  1. ARR should be more accessible to budget producers @ lesser cost. He can recover it in the remake/recycle of tune for Hindi movies.(by budget producers, I don't mean that he should score for V.Sekar movies)
  2. If same cost ratio is to be maintained, then give up recycle/reuse of tunes right to the producer (I guess in Baba this was done by Rajnikanth. Thats why Ashuthosh had to buy the rights of the song "Baba kichu tha").
  3. Consciously shift style and introduce variations to thwart his clones.
  4. Doing point #4, he would also give breathing space to his own assistants like Praveen Mani and Joshua Shridhar, so that they will not be subject to the simple criticsm that they sound so ARRish.
  
  Thanks,
  Jaiganesh
  
  ps: Yes I have a lot of time for this post! that does not mean that I am a dumbo and you are the Prez of some nation Mr.MusicIsLife
  
  
• From: Nattamai (@ 66.225.241.61) on: Sun Dec 19 22:55:22 EST 2004
  
  Jaiganesh:
  
  So Thundu Bhai's songs are not worth for the money (I mean 1 crore)? If he reduces his charge, that will imply that he is losing his ground.
  
  I don't believe that his statemetns are misquoted in The Hindu. He gave the same opinions to Ananta vikatan too. He just wants to say that he is better than all these new comers. Commercially he is a gone case in Tamil. Slowly the same trend is happening in HFM too,BOIndia site's prove that.
  
  
• From: MusicIsLife (@ 156.153.255.243) on: Mon Dec 20 00:30:12 EST 2004
  
  Jaiganesh
  Why r u getting MAD at me, while i have to appreciate the fact for long posts, owing to many pages, usually the points are getting diluted.. it is frustrating to traverse many pages..
  Secondly, i did not pin-point you.. i was generally telling LOOOOONG POSTS
  
  I don't need to be a prez to tell this.. please see it for yourself.
  
  
• From: tee (@ 24.163.67.22) on: Mon Dec 20 00:41:30 EST 2004
  
  vijay- just out of curiosity...what do you do ?? you seem to have too much energy and time considering the fact that you have been on newtfmpage for a really long time :-))
  
  
• From: ARMADA (@ 144.199.176.12) on: Mon Dec 20 01:41:34 EST 2004
  
  I think both observer and Vijay have valid points. The points made by Jaiganesh is correct as well. I can't speak for others but the music for Samy, Dhool, Gilli, Kovil were excellent. I enjoyed them. I don't care what ARR is doing in other markets but in Tamil nowadays, most of the songs I hear is from YSR, HJ, VS and others. You can't expect people to not listen to music just because there's no major trend-maker since ARR. The new composers have adapted themselves very well to the film industry at the moment. The film music is to serve the cinema industry. I liked ARR for his Tamil film music. Just because ARR feels that the Tamil music industry is not going where he feels it should be, I can't stop from listening to Tamil music. The music for 4 Students by a new composer is nice.
  
  
• From: Jaiganesh (@ 203.101.103.2) on: Mon Dec 20 02:00:38 EST 2004
  
  Hi
  I apologize for sounding rude to MusicIsLife. My points apply if and only if ARR is planning to regain ground in Tamil music Industry! If that is not his serious intention, then So Be It. Fact to bring to Shri. Nattamais notice is that TFM market has eroded over a period of time. Audio piracy is a killer and for any MD, be it IR, YSR, HJ or anyone to retain a good fees, piracy has to be killed. I could spot so many mp3 CDs of all recent releases in a music shop and people prefer that only. People may argue by saying that mp3's dont last as long as a legally recorded Audio CD, but sorry to say that the songs themselves don't last till the time the mp3 CD starts to wear. In fact my friends in Music world Bangalore say that all 'legends' albums are moving faster than new releases.
  
  Thanks,
  Jaiganesh
  
  
• From: Music (@ 68.38.226.171) on: Mon Dec 20 08:47:13 EST 2004
  
  Jaiganesh,
  That is OK. If only recent MD's made everlasting melodies, or all stalwarts made melodies, that could be heard over and over again, this trend will not change!!..
  
  

---

List all pages of this thread

Post comments