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ARR's interview in Hindu .....-Intresting Point

Topic started by MumbaiRamki (@ 63.186.8.168) on Sun Dec 12 18:45:07 EST 2004.
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http://www.hindu.com/mp/2004/12/13/stories/2004121300340100.htm

1.The 'Yuhi chaala ' song from swades was orginally composed for Lagaan .

2.Harris Jeyaraj worked with him only for 2 films !!

3.On today's music -
"What is today's Tamil film music all about? They are nothing more than fast numbers or remix downloaded. What took me weeks to make music for a "Gentleman" or "Rangeela" can be done today if you have a computer, software and then pre-set the rhythms and you have a disco number! Fast music is no big deal today as anyone can become a music director"

4.Rajiv Menon film in tamizh .

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• From: F e r r a r i (@ 192.138.110.8) on: Wed Dec 15 05:49:50 EST 2004
  
  Nattamai,
  
  No hits from ARR for past 4 years?
  
  Neenga thundu bhai appadinu oru MD compose panna album thaedi irupeenga. You wouldnt have got any data
  
  And Maniratnam is at end of his career???
  
  Add some more. Kamal hassan at end of career, Rahul Dravid at end of career, David Beckham at end of career.
  
  "Yuvan has rightly said people will not opt for a new MD while the combination clicking well. Until the combo clicks well, directors will stick with a particular MD"
  
  Is it why Selvaraghavan is sticking with Yuvan?
  So if Selva tries out with a different MD say bharadwaj and movie becomes superhit he will stay with Yuvan. And by your argument all the musical albums with combination of Selva and Yuvan becomes crap.
  
  You never fail to amuse us man. Continue your crap
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Wed Dec 15 09:18:39 EST 2004
  
  Vijay Iyer:
  
  I don't know if you're the same Vijay that I've been conversing with all along. It's hard not to be sceptical about people purporting to be celebrities, or speaking for celebrites, even claiming to be God. Yet if this is the genuine article, I take back much of my criticism of ARR.
  
  My observations still tell me that ARR needs new compositional strategies to out-manoeuver his competition, but I'll hold my tongue and wait for developments to prove me correct or wrong.
  
  Back to observing.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Wed Dec 15 09:21:36 EST 2004
  
  Dude:
  
  "ARR first used trance in 'Bailamore': Kadhal Virus."
  
  Point taken, though I still prefer the PS song. But I'll concede this point. Let me replace this with Irish music that ARR's been talking of doing, yet has so far not actually achieved. YSR meanwhile has already done Irish music in Kadhal Konden, and in 7GRC, and one imagines he'll do much more of it in Selvaraghavan's next set in Ireland.
  
  
  
  
  
• From: Mirage (@ 128.107.253.42) on: Wed Dec 15 09:28:14 EST 2004
  
  My first post here after a very long time...
  
  Observer,
  The 2 vijay-s here, I believe are different persons.
  
  Vijay Iyer, a friend of ARRahman, is also a member of the arrahmanfans yahoo group. He mailed the above mentioned contents to the group.
  
  I dont think he wud have visited this forum and posted his reply. However, a member of the yahoo group and also a visitor of this forum should have reproduced that contents here.
  
  And Observer, I am really happy to read this from u. "Yet if this is the genuine article, I take back much of my criticism of ARR."
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 68.16.25.50) on: Wed Dec 15 10:35:36 EST 2004
  
  Vijay Iyer really nailed what I thought was happening all along. You can trust our media to twist Rahman's words just to create some controversy or sensatiuonalism. I guess that about answers most of observer's observations on ARR.
  
  "Point taken, though I still prefer the PS song. But I'll concede this point. Let me replace this with Irish music that ARR's been talking of doing, yet has so far not actually achieved. YSR meanwhile has already done Irish music in Kadhal Konden, and in 7GRC, and one imagines he'll do much more of it in Selvaraghavan's next set in Ireland. "
  
  ARR composed Irish songs for Parthiban's "Yelelo" like 3 years back. Its not his fault if the film failed to take off. Like someone else pointed out he has used trance earlier on too. But the most important thing there is an individuality about his music which others dont possess. Mere usage of trance doesnt make YSR's music distinguishable. In terms of style and also conceptually, he hasnt brought much to the table. He is lucky to have worked in a couple of good films which earned him publicity. Even if someone else had been the MD for those films they still would have been successes. And both of them were by the same director as well (Kaadhal Konden, 7G)
  
  As for HJ, one Kaakka Kaakka followed by unspectacular albums like Arul, Arasaatchi etc. for which HJ has expressed regret recently and has vowed not to give such music again.
  
  As for Vidyasagar, several albums that sank without a trace. He has never really introduced anything new to TFM, but is a good melody composer.
  
  Boys was still the last album to be a major trendsetter and the music sold well in spite of the movie not doing well. That speaks of the prowess of ARR. Its difficult to imagine such a scenario with other composers wherein the movies didnt do well and yet their music somehow hit the top of the charts. Another recent example is KaNgaLaal kaidhu sei, the movie was a dud, the songs sold well.
  
  "My observations still tell me that ARR needs new compositional strategies to out-manoeuver his competition, but I'll hold my tongue and wait for developments to prove me correct or wrong. "
  
  What Rahman needs is a better choice of films. Films that will see the daylight in the first place and that would also do justice to his songs.
  (Many of his compositions for films like "Water" etc. lie unused according to Rahman himself)
  
  
• From: rs (@ 61.2.34.19) on: Wed Dec 15 11:21:50 EST 2004
  
  welll a small question from an ordinary guy to all the experts here....
  
  if A.R.Rahman gets more and more success is it insult for ilaiyaraja?
  
  if yuvan scores excellent music is it an insult to A.R.Rahman??
  
  
  
• From: vambu (@ 136.1.1.101) on: Wed Dec 15 13:05:06 EST 2004
  
  rs,
  `andhakkalathula nanga epdi kashtappattu seidhom, ippo ellam romba easy'yaappochu' is a typical statement that can point to ageing (physical or mental)...(not intended to hurt any next gen though)
  
  Guys,
  This vijay iyer thing is a sappaikkattu. As discussed in this forum, it's not just in The Hindu interview (which is a reputed mag and does not usually twist / turn for sensation BTW) but on other occasions too ARR keeps telling the same thing. Why, there was even one interview by SPB in Kumudam where he quoted ARR as telling ippollam melodykku chance illa. idhu madhiri venum'nu CD kooda kondu varanga etc in a frustrated tone.
  
  ARR is probably getting into narpadhu...adhai vijay iyer madhiri per `adhai nam dhan therinju nadakkanum' endru padalam...others need not care...avaroda pechu sudhandhiram'nu vuttura vendiyadhu dhan:-))
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Wed Dec 15 13:34:57 EST 2004
  
  Maybe Alai Payuthe was another movie in which HJ worked for ARR? I read somewhere that MR had to make a choice between Vaseegara and SnehithanE and chose the latter for AP. Vaseegara was later used in Minnale and became (in fact still is) a super hit song (Duh!).
  
  Rahman sounds a bit stale in his recent albums. Some of the melodies are still good but the energy that was all-pervasive in his numbers in the nineties seems to be lacking now. The delays don't seem to be helping his causing either (blame Sani for that!) He seems to be on the decline.
  
  HJ's Mohalai Mohalai number in Arasakchi is very good, IMO.
  
  
• From: cc (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Wed Dec 15 13:39:47 EST 2004
  
  "I read somewhere that MR had to make a choice between Vaseegara and SnehithanE and chose the latter for AP."
  
  So, Snehithane was also by HJ? ARR fans were crying that Vaseegara was copied from Snehithane, they should have been relieved now.
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 61.246.90.26) on: Wed Dec 15 13:40:02 EST 2004
  
  hello visai iyrae.. linki keetha oankayila atha edthu vudu appala paesalam. somma 'kumoadhom' tuist pantaanga 'indu' tuist pantaanga 'Suntv' tuist pantaanga innu namma pasanga kathraangoa. 'visai' saar vaara romba kastapadraru ellarum sernthu yaen ARRkku ethira tuist pannrangannitu. nee linki kudthaa avaru jabardasthu jangri madri paesvaru illa. linki kudu jaldiyaa..
  
  
• From: rajasaranam (@ 61.246.90.26) on: Wed Dec 15 13:43:19 EST 2004
  
  oops typo 'Suntv' in the previous post should read as 'Sunt...ee' :-)
  
  
• From: cc (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Wed Dec 15 13:44:39 EST 2004
  
  Kadhal Desam could have been one more album HJ worked on with ARR. In one of the interviews when he was asked why he copied the beats of "Mustafa Mustafa" in "azhagiya theeye" from Minnale, he said that it was he worked on the Musafa songs and he just reuses his idea.
  
  
• From: Music4ever (@ 130.111.58.78) on: Wed Dec 15 13:52:28 EST 2004
  
  SnehithanE, I believe, was by ARR.
  
  
• From: LoopsWithTinklingSounds (@ 216.127.82.97) on: Wed Dec 15 16:26:49 EST 2004
  
  When it comes to damage control, Vijay Iyer, has a tough job..
  
  "
  http://filmfaremagazine.indiatimes.com/articleshow/msid-898251,curpg-3.cms
  
  Rahman: “See, there are different ways of doing it. What some composers do is have a team of assistants. One takes care of rhythm arrangements, one takes care of the strings and so on. You give your assistants a basic tune and they do the rest in a couple of days. But the feel will never be yours."
  "
  
  What .. wasn't Rahman the first MD to work like this ? So if he does it , it has a soul, but not when others do it ? !!!!
  Why is Rahman congratulating Ranjit Barot and not Anu Malik ? Trying to improve Ranjit's confidence and split him from Anu Malik ?. Devious. Allah oh Akbar.
  
  
  
  
• From: cc (@ 198.232.250.51) on: Wed Dec 15 17:12:21 EST 2004
  
  No..there is a difference, other composers produce the tune, but ARR gets that too from singers and other assistants.
  
  
• From: Dude (@ 199.2.219.67) on: Wed Dec 15 17:31:35 EST 2004
  
  Go ahead guys, have a field day :-)
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Wed Dec 15 17:56:50 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "I guess that about answers most of observer's observations on ARR."
  
  Hang on vijay, not so fast. All I said was that IF THIS IS TRUE then I take back my case against Rahman. The jury's still out on whether the interjection by "Vijay Iyer" is authentic. If Rahman tones down his criticisms of other MDs in his future interviews, then we can decide about the veracity of this unexpected narrowcast.
  
  In any case please understand that I've actually seen him say similar things myself, so I don't believe that recent interviews are suddenly misquoting him (being somehow unaware of the benefits of sensationalistic reporting until now). How does one explain the sudden difference from interviews in the past?
  
  I take back my case because I believe that, if Vijay Iyer is truly transmitting Rahman's words, then Rahman has been alerted to the fact that, of late he's been slipping, perhaps unconsciously, into a jaundiced outlook on the prevailing scene. I'm glad that he's seen it fit to redress that.
  
  Everybody makes mistakes, its just that his fans weren't bothering to note, or pretending not to note, the change in his behaviour. This needed to be brought to his attention. And hopefully now it has. As an icon who combines great talent with excellence of character, he sets a potent example to millions. For him to resort to meanness is to slip from the godly status that he enjoys in the eyes of many.
  
  
• From: observer (@ 208.254.219.2) on: Wed Dec 15 18:25:44 EST 2004
  
  Vijay:
  
  "ARR composed Irish songs for Parthiban's "Yelelo" like 3 years back."
  
  I don't know whether I'm comfortable with this line of argument. We can't really begin to admit virtual and imaginary achievements into the discussion, because then fans of every composer will lay claim to every innovation by stating that their idol came up with it much before everyone else though it was never released. As a fan this might hold tremendous value, but in a general forum like this one it has little currency.
  
  "Mere usage of trance doesnt make YSR's music distinguishable. In terms of style and also conceptually, he hasnt brought much to the table"
  
  His use of trance was not "mere". When I talk of "use" I'm referring to a fully successful fusion, where the right melodic bridge between disparate genres has been discovered and delivered with the full measure of popular craft and accessibility. And the PS song does this.
  
  Regarding YSR's individuality this is a quality very much in the ear of the listener. To you it appears that he has none. But as soon as the first sounds of TI or 7GRC strike my ears I'm utterly convinced that he's found his voice. The level of sonic mastery and melodic invention in 7GRC is extraordinary. Agreed he's not fundamentally, conceptually taken it beyond ARR, many of the same strategies are in place, but quite simply his tunes have that strange much-sought after feel of newness/oldness and catchiness/melodiousness that Rahman has been having a hard time achieving lately.
  
  The time of great conceptual advances is past. If such a time awaits us in the future, I'm unable to sense its presence. I don't think Rahman can either. I think we're going through an extended phase of embellishing and innovating within the current paradigm for the next few years.
  
  

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