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Ilayaraaja in ITALY

Topic started by Kiran (@ 203.106.8.139) on Sat May 22 05:58:54 EDT 2004.
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• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Tue May 25 18:12:15 EDT 2004
  
  Yes this place is much better with idiots blowing air in the ballon.
  I quit.
  
  
• From: Wondering (@ 207.43.195.203) on: Tue May 25 18:12:33 EDT 2004
  
  One more thing to score in North is to have Northish name and some kiss a s s mentality. In order to survive in HFM people change their names like our Maragadamani took a new avatar as MM Kreem. Stupidest hfm people for them Maniratnam is a fab. They never recognized gems like Bhimsingh, Sreedhar, Bharathiraja (not current) as the best director. For them copy mongers who steal ideas from west are the best.
  
  
• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Tue May 25 18:18:24 EDT 2004
  
  Wondering,
  This year Sudha ragunathan got Padma bhushan award, she is a southie.
  Dr.KJ yesudas and so many other are there to mention.
  another excuse to cover up IR's inability.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Tue May 25 18:23:14 EDT 2004
  
  i asked why north is must/should. India is diverse so is the world.
  
  
  Marketinging doesnt automatically go to all greats. Sometime it has to be sought after. Not all greats/bests blessed with marketing support automatically. Infact some greats have begged for that and it had deprived them (eg) Mahakavi subramania bharathy begged for a paltry amount as even loan for his project which he considered holy. Alas, he didnt get what he should have, that too even after he "begged" for it.
  
  Maths genius Ramanujan didnt get marketing (and hence more money), he had to struggle to beat poverty. Infact he was too much devoted to maths that he cared nothing about money and marketing. Still, it doesnt mean that every great has to do the same. He did not want money so he did not go for marketing (coz as popularly perceived, marketing did not come to him). But if some great wants to have money (that too for some good reason) whats wrong is going for marketing even though it has not come all the way to him.
  
  Yeah! Idiots will be blowing air in ballon and let the intelligent quit this forum of stupids and build castle in the air. I stay.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Tue May 25 18:28:51 EDT 2004
  
  No wondering, to score in north you need to give music that has the flavour of their liking. May be they are not seeking to taste other form of music (but im not making this as a sweeping statement).
  
  I dont see anything wrong in Maragadhamani changing his name for HFM. Infact it would be better for him rather being embarassed at his name being butchered.
  
  
  
• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Tue May 25 18:29:30 EDT 2004
  
  kupps,
  i am sorry i didn't mean you blowing air in ballon.
  Those were just some stupid posts i read like vinod kambli and air blowing.
  
  Yes the those times were different from 70's and 80's.
  From oprah winfrey to Pete sampras, Vishy anand to kutraleswaran, everyone has proved if they are superb they will be taken care of.
  Thats my argument.
  
  
  
• From: Wondering (@ 207.43.195.203) on: Tue May 25 18:56:42 EDT 2004
  
  It's not inability it is unacceptability ...by suposedly better Music lovers of North...
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 35.9.20.92) on: Tue May 25 20:04:02 EDT 2004
  
  Following jaya's argument, how many northies know about thyagaraja? he is supposed to be common knowledge in the south, but it must be the inability of thyagaraja to get himself recognition and opportunities in the north. So, MSS gives concerts in the north, who's the audience? A typical northie would say, its a idly sambar concert and give it a pass. Must be the inability of MSS.
  
  An artist like IR requires a real stage and an audience that acknowledges the real artist. Most northies don't go for his kind of music as they are really bothered about the lyrics. What's the use of giving out a classic orchestral piece or a beautiful counterpoint or a mixed harmony and no one even noticing it. Current day North Indians have a lack of cultural identity. How many movies have classical songs? They are so used to the techno-rap kind of gizmos, that they can't appreciate the real thing when they see one.
  I've known a northie who listened to Agni Natchitaram's songs, and instead of appreciating them, his comment was that the MD has copied from somewhere. That's the kind of level, a typical northie's music appreciation rises to.
  
  What's the use of giving great BGM and getting reviews from idiots on rediff saying that the BGM was too loud (btw why do they blame the MD for loud BGM, isn't it the sound engineer who is responsible for it). Its like blowing a horn into a deaf ears. And whatever so called innvotions, except sound engineering, that ARR is credited for and praised to the sky have already been achieved by IR. You cannot please all the people all the time.
  
  
• From: r (@ 196.12.52.49) on: Tue May 25 21:03:41 EDT 2004
  
  All these things have been discussed time and again in various forums... let's come back to the topic.... Was the show well taken
  
  
• From: SK (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Tue May 25 22:06:24 EDT 2004
  
  SUN TV has bought the rights and will be airing it soon!!
  IIR mesmerized the crowd with his music and there was a special number comprising of ONLY three notes[remember, there is usually 7 notes] which sweeped thre hearts of the listeners.
  Authentic report, trust me!
  
  
• From: SK (@ 66.57.14.197) on: Tue May 25 22:06:54 EDT 2004
  
  CD and DVD are also coming!!
  
  
• From: Vivaldi (@ 4.158.117.197) on: Tue May 25 23:02:59 EDT 2004
  
  Engey, Eppom
  
  
• From: An idiot blowing air in the ballon (@ 67.165.110.66) on: Wed May 26 01:00:09 EDT 2004
  
  Jaya,
  We appreciate you trying to bring national harmony with case in point like Yesudas winning awards and stuff. Look at the percentage of awards handed to South India artists...giving few thundus doesn't mean South Indian artists get their dues. While Illayaraja did not get an award for Devar Magan, Anumalik got the best MD award for Virasat, which is a derivative of Devar Magan.
  Based on your argument, if you can reach a larger medium, you are entailed to special privileges. Since there are more hindi speakers in this country, I suppose you are right - Who cares about lesser known geniuses like Illayaraja, as long we have well known (because they are popular in the North) musicians like Anu Malik.
  
  
• From: kiru (@ 192.138.150.249) on: Wed May 26 13:42:19 EDT 2004
  
  I dont give a damn about people likey jaya or his/her ilk casting aspersions/doubts on IR. Goddammit..IR got enough of it during the early part of his career. But with his talent and perseverance he beat all of it. But in this melee let us not denigrate our northie brethren. I have mentioned this before, just like the society there, that is very feudal and the difference between poor (and lots of them) and rich is very large, the musical tastes have also become segmented. Film music there caters to the 'other' tastes. Many music savvy people support a large number of classical musicians. But these are mainly hindustani musicians. In fact, I think, we have better and more recordings of Hindustani music than carnatic music.
  Compared to this South and especially TN, is much egalitarian. The tastes is music is also in the middle, not swinging purely to the classical side or to the beatsy/popular style. It is in this environment that a crossover composer like IR is able to thrive. And yes, IR's format is not going to be a best seller. Well, even some of my fellow IR fans do not want to reconcile to this fact. It is a very classical music format that he is playing with. Now that the flood gates have been opened with the availability of canned rhythms in the form of loops/stored programs in drum machines, the last 10 years or so has seen the markets fascination with these imported rhythms and new sounds. I think, we are already seeing some stabilization. Probably, time for IR to get more active not just in the classical arena but also a little bit more of film music.
  Let us approach the issues with a much more holistic perspective than with a very narrow and biased perspective.
  
  
• From: Sankar (@ 216.40.48.20) on: Wed May 26 14:35:43 EDT 2004
  
  Any idea when SUN TV is going to show this program?
  
  
• From: Jeera (@ 206.175.176.2) on: Wed May 26 14:50:39 EDT 2004
  
  Kiru
  
  Wow! you put it in words what I was thinking. Wonderfully written - both your views on bashing northies and about IR. We have seen so many fights here between MD's - time to stop this.
  
  Interests and opions differ but we cannnot let a talented and skilled IR down both in motivation and support.
  
  His music is a different genre and to be preserved and whether it sells or not doesn't matter - it has captured millions of hearts.
  
  
• From: eden (@ 136.2.1.153) on: Wed May 26 16:31:46 EDT 2004
  
  "...Compared to this South and especially TN, is much egalitarian. The tastes is music is also in the middle, not swinging purely to the classical side or to the beatsy/popular style.."
  
  Kiru, I would say, this is post-IR scenario. He lifted up the level of taste among the poor/ middle class masses (i.e. people like me):-) I don't think threadbare discussion / appreciation of interludes etc. among masses even existed prior to him...can anyone imagine an average cine music admirer appreciating the likes of HTNI before?
  
  Some may again jump and ask, Why he couldn't do the same to North? Well, how much territory one individual can humanly cover with the available time and resources, especially on a task like this (i.e. lifting up the taste of masses or mass-conversion:-)))?...
  
  
• From: ganspb (@ 170.220.2.13) on: Wed May 26 17:41:03 EDT 2004
  
  Kupps,
  
  Excellent fitting replies.Your posts are to the point.
  
  Getting recognition from the northies is not a yardstick to measure the performance of a genius.
  ARR music is based on Rhythm.Inthat area he is very strong.If you look at the northies they are more inclined to listen to easy numbers with a strong Beat based music.They may not have the knowedge to appreciate an "Ennule Ennule" or a "Poomalaiye Thol Serava".
  There are tons of such songs from the mastereo which is unpredictable and will give a new dimension each time when you listen.
  Moreover one thing if you note with the northies is if they like somebody even if they perform at their worst they will still stick to it.Typical examples are Lata Mangeshkar.
  
  There is not other Music Director in the world like IR who has produced such high quality music in a short span of time and which is remembered even after 20 years.That is why so many true fans through out the world are still defending his music even after his peak time.
  We have to wait and see whether the same will be the case with ARR after his peak period.
  
  
• From: prabhudas (@ 140.251.159.192) on: Wed May 26 22:02:54 EDT 2004
  
  Kiru,
  
  "Probably, time for IR to get more active not just in the classical arena but also a little bit more of film music."
  
  We don't know if this will be happening (I mean more of film music) but there is a lot he is planning to do on the non filmi side, which in all my guess would be even more good for us to enjoy for a long time especially having seen him giving us all possible sorts of film music in a variety of dimensions in the last 3 decades,
  
  A big time loss personally for many of us would be his mesmerizing prelude, interludes in his nonfilmy projects which as Eden said perhaps one of the things in his film music which prepared or taught us with a Mass transition in the taste of listeners not just in TN but entire South India (we very well know by his influence in kannada, Telugu, and Mal) irrespective of ones status,age,profession,education and knowledge in music. (A great example I would never forget, one of my relatives who never even went to primary schools and was a Lorry Driver by profession, and was much older than us, how he would respond and jump with elation the moment he heard the prelude music of "Unnai thaane thanjam enru" of Nallavanukku Nallavan and many such great songs of IR)
  
  Well coming to my meeting (yet unbelievable that some thing of this sort happened in my life in a span of exactly 6 days yes, meeting my Idol, my mental companion during my loneliness in my school and college days, and the person partly responsible for what I am today) with Maestro, I was choked with emotions, shock, surprise and happiness all pouring in through my Adrenaline flow at a rate of several million Gallons/milliseconds, the same thing in reality of course obviously is unimaginable as the person would be dead ,but I wasn't I was rather in a state of trance, suspended animation what ever you call it...
  I couldn't even talk to him looking in his eyes straight on the first day, by the day of the event here in NY, I had prepared myself still my vote of thanks started with some jitteriness/shakiness in my voice but ended smoothly. IR's speech and the details of the program, I am writing in "TIS" thread (his speech was excellent btw, audience were astonished at his command in tamil literature, a surprise for many)
  And the last day with my one to one meeting, I did ask Maestro about few things which we have discussed on and off in this forum, I couldn't ask much, as I did a foolish thing not writing my questions in a small cue card, as I forgot many stuff which I wanted to ask. I am writing only the ones which I think are appropriate to share in public forum such as this, to respect Artist's wish.
  
  Prabhudas.... Contd........
  
  

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