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Ilayaraaja in ITALY

Topic started by Kiran (@ 203.106.8.139) on Sat May 22 05:58:54 EDT 2004.
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• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Mon May 24 15:28:45 EDT 2004
  
  And ofcourse I dont endorse to the view that IR did nothing when compared to MS or Pandit.
  
  They all are great in their own way of making Indian Music acclaimed world over.
  
  The respect/recognize that IR got it is less, but that doesn't show he has done something lesser.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Mon May 24 15:30:10 EDT 2004
  
  TYPO (as usual)
  
  The last line should be read as
  The respect/recognition that IR got is less
  
  
• From: Jen (@ 154.20.68.54) on: Mon May 24 15:52:55 EDT 2004
  
  If some of u have nothing better to do in live mayeb u should stay out of places like this and keep your 2cent pieces to your sleves..and if u dont knwo abt music directors pls don't comment!!
  
  
• From: eden (@ 136.1.1.33) on: Mon May 24 16:02:03 EDT 2004
  
  Kupps,
  Thanks for pointing out. My language was probably not accurate with respect to the works of creation. However, the volume / variety /category of scores from each of these stars are not in the same category and hence cannot be compared one to one.
  
  
• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Mon May 24 16:44:20 EDT 2004
  
  Yes they are all good in their own respect.
  But before making claims that IR was not marketed well, great guys don't blame poor marketing methods.
  They have people waiting in their doorsteps to promote them. Tigerwoods or Sachin tendulkar don't complain they are not marketed well.
  This is just a pathetic excuse used by IR'S Fan clubs. Have a good time.
  IR is a intelligent composer no doubt still this poorly marketed slogan might suppress your agony little bit but to the outside world its a joke.
  Forget the promotion from external world, he produced so many films, doesn't he have money to promote himself internationally.
  He wasn't gutsy or he knew he didn't have it.
  
  
  
• From: Wondering (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Mon May 24 18:41:41 EDT 2004
  
  ARR is like a balloon. People were blowing air to it for a long time. You know when the balloon depleted that CBSO performance. IR is a like a beaker (kudam) filled with water upto the brim so he never spills out. Empty vessels like ARR will make more noise like his music.
  
  
• From: Wondering (@ 208.24.179.207) on: Mon May 24 18:42:54 EDT 2004
  
  Btw ARR is nowhere near Tendulkar or Tiger Woods because atleast they are original with whatever they do in their profession.
  
  
• From: * (@ 161.114.1.182) on: Mon May 24 18:53:21 EDT 2004
  
  Actually ARR more like Vinod Kambli - bright start but couldnt keep up to the expectations...Kambli fans, kindly excuse.
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Mon May 24 19:54:33 EDT 2004
  
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  Tigerwoods or Sachin tendulkar don't complain they are not marketed well.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  
  Tigerwoods or sachin SHOULD NOT complain that they are not marketed well. Infact they are one of the top most well marketed people. Moreover its not IR who is complaining about not being marketed well, as you have said, its his fans. How does it make IR to be NOT Great?
  So the anology(tiger and sachin) is inappropriate here.
  
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  he produced so many films, doesn't he have money to promote himself internationally.
  He wasn't gutsy or he knew he didn't have it.
  >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
  
  Exactly. This is what IR Fans are talking about. Whatever be the reason (be it he doesn't want promotion (or) he is not gutsy) the bottomline of IR fan's claim is IR is not promoted well.
  
  Tell me are you supporting this claim?
  
  Personally,
  
  ........I dont endorse or deny the view -- poor marketing of IR is what makes him not widely known worldover.
  
  ........I dont bother about his popularity. I want him to give A class music, irrespective of what popularity he would get based on that.
  
  ........To me the popularity he got is more than enough. He was widely know during his period. To me his music matters nothing else. I feel he is a genius.
  
  
• From: Surprised (@ 151.197.49.86) on: Mon May 24 21:23:39 EDT 2004
  
  Wondering,
  You are exactly right... ARR is like a balloon,it can retain only to a particular limit and IR is like a beaker filled with water upto the brim - howmuchever you try to pour, water keeps falling out....
  
  
• From: Guess Me (@ 202.83.34.42) on: Tue May 25 00:19:48 EDT 2004
  
  Wondering,
  
  ARR is like a balloon, still floating high; much higher than any other Indian composer today.
  
  While IR is a beaker filled with water upto the brim. But now the edge of this beaker is broken, no one can pour out what is inside it. They can only praise about its contents by saying they used to pour out years ago. So dont worry, he will always be a full beaker and will be unless someone breaks the beaker.
  
  
• From: Ilaiyaraja (@ 203.101.35.123) on: Tue May 25 00:34:52 EDT 2004
  
  My so called fans, please leave me....dont insult me by bashing good musicians by their own standards.
  
  (To GOD) save from my so called fans, i will take care of my critics
  
  
• From: A.R.Rahman (@ 203.101.35.123) on: Tue May 25 00:37:51 EDT 2004
  
  Yes, also idiots who call themselves my fans, please leave us alone. I respect and love ilaiyaraja sir's music.....
  
  Remember friends, Ilaiyaraja's success is not my failure and My failure is not Ilaiyaraja sir's success.. Our failure is your (musiclover) failure.. and our success is your success... our success is Tamilnadu's success and India's success. Dont involve in such cheap things like our politicians..learn to love our music andn not us..
  
  
• From: Vel (@ 210.212.240.19) on: Tue May 25 00:49:01 EDT 2004
  
  Kupps, nice post(s) !!
  
  
• From: MSV (@ 4.158.117.238) on: Tue May 25 00:49:32 EDT 2004
  
  Kanna, Neeyum Naanumaa?
  
  
• From: paran (@ 203.123.16.62) on: Tue May 25 01:11:57 EDT 2004
  
  What's the big deal...
  IR IS A GENIUS...NO DOUBT IN IT!....
  he deserves whatever fame he is getting.
  I still respect him for sticking to his own way and not influenced with the trend....HE BLIEVES IN WHAT HE BELIEVES, STRONGLY!....tats a real attitude...
  
  
  WHILE ARR IS GENIUS AS WELL, can't be everyone he come across will "BLOW THE AIR"...he definitely have his own stuff.....and I RESPECT HIM COZ HE IS STILL DOWN TO EART WITH SO MUCH SUCCESS....AND WHEN HE MAKES MISTAKES...HE ADMITS IT!....now tat's another attitude...
  
  
• From: SRI (@ 61.1.205.157) on: Tue May 25 06:25:25 EDT 2004
  
  NOTHING DOUBT ABOUT IT PARAN
  
  
• From: ABCDEFG HIJKLMNOP LMNOPQRST UVWXYZ (@ 4.158.117.154) on: Tue May 25 11:55:16 EDT 2004
  
  ARR Genius in what? ;--)
  
  
• From: PAVAN (@ 203.145.191.100) on: Tue May 25 12:16:15 EDT 2004
  
  one thing is apsulutely i can tell.that is arr is a great music director.but IR is a don for music.that all the fans off arr should keep in the mind.he is second to thiagaraaja.but he is ever green.no one can crosshim.and dont try to cross him.u will get an accident.so u cannot give the music inlife.
  
  
  I WISH IR SIR THAT HE
  HAVE TO DO 1000 FILMS .AND MY
  SMALL WISH THAT HE HAVE TO GIVE
  THE MUSIC FOR CHIRANJEEVI,NAGARJUNA
  AND VENKATESH.
  
  
• From: Note Man (@ 35.8.218.27) on: Tue May 25 16:27:05 EDT 2004
  
  Amen to that. Seriously. These guys got the best deal from IR. Not even MR+IR's movies have had that kind of variety and spice in songs.
  
  
• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Tue May 25 17:28:07 EDT 2004
  
  kupps,
  you got it fully wrong.
  if you guys feel IR is the best composer in India then he doesn't need marketing.
  Sachin or tiger don't knock the doors of every sponsor its the companies who wait at tiger or sachins doorstep.
  They earned it by their perfomances which is not in IR's case.
  How can IR dream to go to London or Newyork when he can't cater the needs of his own country men in north india.
  
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Tue May 25 17:52:13 EDT 2004
  
  per your statement -- a best person doesn't need marketing, sachin or tigerwoods are not great coz they are one of the topmost marketed people. so, in the same yardstick ARR is not great coz he is also marketed well.
  
  Did IR go around all (forget all even 5%) of those stupids' home who gave money, begging for the same for his TiS? It was these groups who assured IR to collect the money for his project when he announced that he is going to make TiS with people's contribution . Btw, if IR feels his work to be noble why shouldn't be he begging all over the world? Did IR become world know and recognized when Sony who sponsored his RPO symphony without even he went and begged them?
  
  Since when being best in the field has become synonymous to known and recognized everywhere.
  
  Now, why should IR cater to his own north Indian when he wants to go abroad? How much did L.Subramaniam, M.S.Subbalakshmi, Pt. Ravi Shankar, Zubin Mehta catered to other section of their country people before going to abroad for getting recognition? If a M.S.S goes and give a concert somewhere in North India baring a few like pt. ravi shankars and bhimsenjoshis how many North Indian brethern will be appreciating her concert? Does it mean MSS/Bhimsen Joshi is not great? Forget about North India, how many common music raskias did MSS bother to cater before going to give concert world over?
  
  
• From: Kupps (@ 192.76.80.74) on: Tue May 25 18:02:54 EDT 2004
  
  May be who knows thiagaraja was begging around streets of thiruvayyaaru for getting recognition from people to pronounce him as great, otherwise, you see, he is not great.
  
  Even after getting such enlightment i still reiterate what i said:
  i dont care about need of recognition from newer and wider audience for IR. He is a great composer, a genius composer. I just want him to give superlative music as long as he gives music.
  
  I might be once again got fully wrong and you know my problem very well, that i will always be getting fully wrong, what to do. Just omit this idiot you will be saving your energy.
  
  
  
• From: jaya (@ 212.211.136.33) on: Tue May 25 18:06:01 EDT 2004
  
  i left it incomplete, the best person in any industry doesn't need to beg for marketing to him a chance.
  it comes his/her way.
  India is a vast country with diverse culture and music. So whats wrong in exploring music from north?
  You ask me why north?
  Why not? we have a song from birth to death.
  Please dont try to cover up IR's inability to score for hindi films.
  Don't compare classical singers to a music director, a music director has chance to play with all kinds of music in films.
  While classical singers cater a different audience.
  
  

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