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Why ARR's BGM is still bad even after 10 years??!! Why ARR's BGM is still bad even after 10 years??!!

Topic started by Saran (@ 164.164.46.20) on Thu Apr 25 06:53:28 EDT 2002.
All times in EST +10:30 for IST.

Surprising! Even after 10years, ARR still a kid in BGM. Even in his latest KM, BGM lacks a lot. Especially in the scenes where the BGM need to lift the scene. Does his musical talent is LIMITED only to the songs or his CREATIVITY misses something whenever it comes to BGM or does he need MUCH MORE TIME to compose it? Yeah, i agree perceptions differ. Lets see how it goes.....

Responses:

Old responses
From: WN (@ 203.24.100.132) on: Tue May 7 09:27:50 EDT 2002

yaaro, u shud change ur title to HCMF. :-)
Why do u keep defending IR??? Why is me defending ARR make it necc for u to defend IR?? IR had a different approach, ARR has a diff approach. All I'm doing is supporting the way ARR had done few (relatively speaking) movies, giving attention to quality. I only object to IR Fans trying to compare his speed/quantity to IR's. Jus like u say many equations come to play, the same with ARR. What he is doing strikes me as very intelligent. That does not mean I think IR made a mistake nor was I the one to start comparing ARR's career path with IR's. But I think IR Fans shud stop doing that, as ARR's way is an intelligent one as well.

Naga S, now that u have meticulously put down winning of awards as not impt (but of course), pls go back and read what I had said.
I said I had omitted stating the awards for a reason. Now u have taken great pains to point out more than one reason, I stand by what I said unopposed.

"I never said quantity is important - it is the dominance" Dominance is quantity. It is %, it does go back to numbers ie. quantity. Pls make up ur mind.

"he was the real 'Raja' of TFM at that time"
But he is not now...so shall we get on with our lives?

"but don't tell me thats the reason people dont' have banners and cut-outs for A R Rahman. :-)"
No, I can think of other reasons. These days they have better way to spend their advertisement budget eg. advertisements on tv, websites etc. While in the past they had to paste his pic to convey the message the music is good, these days they have the more feasible option of simply playing parts of the songs on TV/Radio and letting people judge for themselves.

"Now people like HJ, Bharadwaj etc., entered there too and got considerable market share ..."
I shud add that as reason 11 why ARR is king.
While according to u, IR was the only dominant player in the market in his time (hence having to face little competition), ARR maintains his top-notch commercial position even with so much competition. Thanks for adding this point, NagaS.
From: peeps for the last time..:-) (@ 12.162.224.6) on: Tue May 7 09:31:29 EDT 2002

Nice posts WhyNot..:-)

Most Sought After
BigWigs goes for ARR for commercial success in music..I never said that ARR is a commercial failure..but that does mean that he is the KING in TFM?

versatility
southern folk?Do u know what is southern folk dear WhyNot?In the same time other MD's including IR did period,comedy etc etc..

Trend Setter
mmm..What do u mean by trend here WhyNot?

Most Anticipated
This point is a subjective one as many of your other points?

Technical Wizardry
"cacophony which shows how much more there is to ARR's music than his
equipment, such as his skill and knowledge"
u have safely hidden ARR's skill and knowledge inside Technical Wizardry and not as a seperate point..do u feel he is less talented musically?:-)

The criteria we take for selecting our KING in TFM differs..so no point in arguing.it will go on...anyway your points are very good...i select my KING depending on the quality of music and that quality strongly depends on one's personal taste..argument will continue forever..:-)

Nice points Kupps,NagaS and Yaaro(in alphabetical order..:-))
From: Vj (@ 203.197.20.103) on: Tue May 7 09:45:44 EDT 2002

ada ada ada ada ... aalalukku ennamaa kizhikkireenga...:-)... arguments and counter-arguments...points and counter-points...but the sad thing is ... there's no Judgement Day in this..:-(... and i hope there is none.
From: NagaS (@ 203.195.223.210) on: Tue May 7 10:01:49 EDT 2002

Yep,

I agree with peeps and I too believe we should leave the argument here :-)

NagaS
From: On behalf of Sathya (@ 128.107.253.40) on: Tue May 7 10:02:33 EDT 2002

Digression:

Following is posted by Mr Sathya (an old time DF'er) in an old IR related thread, for the benefit
of other DF'er I copy & paste it here.

Why Raja is Uncomparable.
--------------------------

To all,

Whether you are a Ilayaraja fan or ARR fan or MSV fan or whoever it is, if you want to argue that your favourite
music director is better than the others give hardcore evidence to support your arguement. Do not just like that
say that ARR has set the Trend, So he is better Or Ilayaraja has composed this song and he is better. You may like
your favourite. It does not mean that your favourite music director is better than others. Your wishes are
different from the facts. To be an active participator and to participate in a healthy discussion always support
your arguments with solid evidence.

I will start with my arguments that Ilayaraja is the alltime best for music of any kind.

First I will answer to the following words by Mr ARUN who started the discussion.

"Accept it or not, Rahman HAS replaced Raja?”

Rahman has replaced Raja. In what sense Rahman replaced Raja? Being the No 1 music director in Tamilnadu?

Vivian Richrds and Clive Lloyd were the captains of West Indies Cricket Team. Now Courtney Walsh is the captain.
Since being the captain of west indies team. do you put him on par with Richards or Lloyd? Mahatma Gandhi was the
leader of Congress 50 years back. Now Seetharam Kesari!! Can Kesari claim that he is as good a leader as Gandhi
only because he is the leader of congress? The reason for Ilayaraja's decline in the field has been discussed by me
in the following link and the it itself is a big topic to debate with.

http://www-anw.cs.umass.edu/~ravi/tfm/test/24703.15:38:06.html

Anybody can become No. 1 some time or other. Being the no. 1 what are your achievements and what is your
contribution? Ilayaraja has nothing to achieve anymore. Can any one of you give me a department in Music where any
music director has achieved something better than Ilayaraja? I will discuss in detail his achievement in all
departments of music to my knowledge. If I am wrong or If you know something
I missed I welcome a healthy argument supoported by solid arguments.

In the statement I quoted, he has said ARR has done a better job in his first five years. In his First 5 years Raja
has done more than 200 films and more than 1000 mega hit songs. He was not promoted by any producer or Director or
Press or satellite TVs. How do you put these 200 films and 1000 songs against 25 films and 30 songs? Are you crazy?

You yourself had said that Raja has 20 years exp. while ARR has 5 years exp. In 20 years Raja has scored more than
800 films and 4000 songs. He has atleast 150 films where all the songs in the film were super hits. He has more
than 2000 hit songs and his average films per year is 40. If you project ARR's career, he has done only 30 films so
far and around 15 hit movies and 50 hit songs. Assuming consistency he can atmost do 125 films and around 200 hit
songs. Has he ever done music for a low budget film or a new director or an actor like Ramarajan, Rajkiran, Murali
etc? In what sense you claim that he has done a better job? In the amt he is paid? I will give you an information.
Ilayaraja was paid Rs.40 lacks for Thalabathi in 1991, which was the best ever salary in India till that time. He
has earned more than 300 crores in 20 years.

In another place he mentioned that Ilayaraja has copied Hindi and western? Do you have evidence? I have evidence
for Rahman's copying. The flute music that starts "Ennavale" in Kadalan was taken from a famous western composer
who generously declared that anybody can use his composings as a library. Rahman has agreed this in an interview
with Anantha Vigatan.

Now I will start with How Ilayaraja is uncomparable.

I claim Ilayaraja to be uncomparable in the following concerns.

1. Songs
2. Background Music
3. Trend Setter
4. Consistency
5. Carnatic Music
6. Albums
7. Multi Lingual Perfomance
8. Customizing Songs for directors/actors
9. Technology in music
10. His magnanimity
11. His responsibity in making the film A super hit
12. His Productivity - Quickness & Excellence
13. His professional Composing style
14. Promoting the cine industry / consumer electronics

I will discuss the above topics one by one.
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1. Songs
---------

I like to classify songs as follows. ( I will give an example in the brackets - even though obvious - The songs may
not be the best of that kind
)

1. Duets ( Kanmaniye Kaadhal Enbathu)
2. Solo songs ( male - Senthaazhm Poovil, female - Maaliyil Yaaro (sathrian) )
3. Sensational songs Duo - Not duets ( Aayiram malargale malarungal)
4. Sensational songs solo - ( Male - Kanavu Kanum Vazhkkai, Female - Raasave Unnai Nan - Thanikkatu Raja)
5. Songs sung in happy mood - converted to pathos later - (Povomaa Oorgolam)
6. Pure pathos in nature ( Female - Sonthamillai Banthamillai - Annakili, Male Unna ninaicen - Aboorva sagothargal,
Duo - Kudagumalai -
Karagaattakkaaran)
7. Songs designed exclusively for Background music ( Then pandi seemaiyile - Nayagan)
8. Songs designed for sensation later used for Background Music ( Poongatru - Mudal Mariathai)
9. Songs designed for duets later used for background music ( Thalaatuthe vaanam - kadal meengal)
10. Bit songs - (Ae Kuruvi - mudhal mariathai , Sollaal aditha - sinna goundar)
12. Romantic songs - ( Duo - Nila Kaayudhu, Female- Sivarathiri - Michael Madana..)
13. Sexual grievance - Azhagu malar aada - Vaideki Kaththirunthaal
14. Dispute in Marriage - Mandram Vantha Thndralukku - Mounaragam
15. Songs for ceromonies - occations
New year - Sagalakalavallavan - tiil the best and immortal
Puberty - Araicha Sandhanam - Sinna thambi
Kalyanam - oru nalum unai - ejaman
First night - Thalaiyai Kuniyum Thamarai - Or odai nathiyagirathu - sridhar
Birthday - Thenmadhurai - Dharmathin Thalaivan
Thaalattu - Thooliyile , tene thenpaandi meene, mannava mannava - Walter
Blessing - Nooru varusham, Adi kaana karunguyile - poonthota kavalkaran
Appreciation - Potri Paadadi ponne, Kannu pada poguthu
Engagement - Vanthathe Kungumam - Kilakku Vaasal
Thoonga Vaikkum Paattu - Pachchai malai thenu - kilakku vaasal
Happiness for getting things done - Madai thirandhu -nizhzlgal
Pregnancy - Sindhiya venmani - Poonthotta kavallkaran
vazhai kappu - rakku muthu rakku -ejaman
Pongal- Thai pongalu vanthathu - mahanathi
Dheepavali - Pattasu suthi suthi - Poove poochoodava
Bogi - kattukuyilu, margalithan - Thalabathi
Mother's death - En thayenum koyilai - Aranmanai kili
Athletic environment - Sickendra aadaiyil - iniya uravu pooththathu, Paruvame Pudhiya paadal - nenjaththai
killathe)
Wive's Loss - Sola Pasungiliye - En rasavin Manasula
16. Brother -sister Relation - Oru thanga Radhaththil - Dharma Uththam
17. Amma Songs - Amma endralaikkatha
18. Hamming Oriented songs - Poonthalirada - Panner Pushbangal
19. Dappanguthu songs ( Vadi en kappa kilangu, Podhuvaga en manasu)
20. Karnatic pure in nature - Sinna kannan azhaikiran - kavikuyil
21. Karnatic - Mixed Ragas - Punjai Undu - unnal mudiyum thambi
22. Conversion of existing raga into new one - Mari Mari ninne - Sindhu Bairavi
23. Starting in Folk Bridging to Complex karnatic raga - Paadariyen - Sindhu Bairavi
24. Gaanaa songs - Machchi Mannaaru - Ennuyir tholan
25. Pure English song in a Tamil Film - One two three - Punnagai Mannan
26. Quasi English - All The Time - Nadodi Thndral
I like to highlight this. Ilayaraja is the first person who designed songs which starts
with a rithm and the rithm occupies the entire film. If you hear the rithm alone itself, you can identify the song.
27. Rithm Oriented songs
There are a number of songs and I list a few.

Aasaiya Kaththula - Johny
Aattama - Captain Prabhakaran
Kadoram Lolakku
Nila adhu vaanaththu
Malai koil vasalil - Veera
AAsai adhigam
Mottai madi
Kattukuyilu
MASI MAASAM
Santhaikku vantha kili.

28. Instrument Oriented Song.

Ilaya nila - Guitar
Kalakaalmaga Vazhum - Violin
Raja Rajathi Rajanendra Raja - Drums ( Only Drums)
Thenmadurai - Piano
Manamagale - Devar Magan - Nathaswaram
Potri Paadadi - Devat Magan - Gadam
Nilavu Thoongum - Mouth Organ

29. Kindal Paattu - O party nalla party
30. Old song like songs - Paarijatha poove, Naan sirithal deepavali
31. He used Train sound as rithm in Goods Vandiyile - Kunguma chimizh
32. Exceptional songs even for Trivilial situations - Karumbu vil - meenkodi Theril
33. DEVOTIONAL ( JANANI JANANI)

I am tired of thinking any more. Somebody can help me for further list of songs.

I am sure no other music director can imagine doing this. Has any other music director before him or after him has
achieved such a feet. I will challenge!

2. Background Music(BGM)
-------------------------------------

Many of us when thinking and speaking about Ilayaraja, we give our emphasis to his songs. But his potential in
Background music is
amazing. We hardly talk about it because the involvment that is created by virtue of his BGM eliminates the feeling
that music added separately after taking the film. Only in the absence of a quality BGM we feel that something is
missing and talk about that. I will give you an evidence for his talents in BGM. Mr. Piriyadharsan a Malayala
Director ( Rated as one top 5 Indian Directors today) produced a monumental film "KALABANI" or "SIRAICHALAI". When
the project was started he gave an interview that he was selecting the technitians for the film from the Top 5 of
the respective field. He told that he has only one choice for Music and it was Ilayaraja. Raja's professionalism in
BGM can be best seen in "Mudal Mariathai and Devar Magan". Raja has been accepted by almost all music directors in
India as the Best BGM composer all time.

3. Trend Setting
---------------------

Many people are talking that trend has changed, This MD has changed the Trend and so on. They are using the word
"Trend" as a filler without really specifying what they mean by trend.

Ilayaraja changed the following trends.

1. He proved that a Music director can take the entire credit for a song. Before Ilayaraja all songs were either
MGR songs or SIVAJI songs or SSR songs or GEMINI songs. And the music directors did not get any credit for their
songs. It includes MSV, V.KUMAR, KVM etc. Ask anybody whose song is ANNAKILI? It is ILAYARAJA'S song. Whose song is
"NALLAVARKKELLAM CHATCHIGAL RENDU" ? Is it a SIVAJI song? No!! It is Ilayaraja's song. He is the person who brought
the Music Director from behind the screen to front of the people. People started clapping the hands with enthu
seeing the Title " Isai - Ilayaraja". No other MD has got such an appreciation from the public in India before
that. People started asking "Isai Yaaru? Ilayarajava? Kandippa Polam!!".
THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA.

2. Ilayaraja proved that only his name is sufficient for the film advertisement. People did not bother who is the
actor, actress , director, producer. Seeing Ilayaraja they went into the Theatre. Kovaithambi advertised "Payanagal
Mudivathillai" with Ilayaraja's cut out. Songs made the film running for 250 days..THIS IS THE TREND SET BY
ILAYARAJA

3. People claim that nowadays musical trend has been shifted to WESTERN. In 1991 ANJALI was released. The songs
were declared by
Press to be 21st CENTURY MUSIC. At that time only Manirathnam was there to Use Raja's talents in WESTERN MUSIC.
Only
because of lack of quality customers, many of ilayaraja's talents went unutilised.
WESTERN MUSIC IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA.

4. People claim that some of the today's MD's songs are copied by Hindi people. When Ilayaraja was copied by Hindi
people for 15 yrs nobody wrote about that. Hindi Music Director "Anand Milind" openly stated that Ilayaraja is as
good as the God and he does not feel ashamed to copy Raja as he is taking music from the Musical Guru. All songs in
"CHINNATHAMBI" were copied. The song "THUTHTHUTHOO THUTHTHUTHARA" was copied from " Raakamma Kaiya Thattu". When
you did not give popularities to these things that time. Letting People to copy from Tamil
THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA.

5. Some people say that Some of our Music Directors are very popular in Hindi too. Ilayaraja has already done music
for Hindi - SADMA. In 80s When he enters into the studio, both sides of the road people from Telugu, Kannadam,
Hindi were standing and beggging Ilayaraja to score music for them. But He spent all his time for Tamil Tamil
Tamil. He paid the price for dedicating his time only for Tamil films. Today the same Tamil people dare to say that
Raja avvalavuthaan. He was the first Music Director to perform Music for Many Languages. He gave hit movies in
Malayalam, Telugu, Kannadam, Hindi that also frequently except(Hindi).
THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA.

6. I like to highlight this. Ilayaraja is the first person who designed songs which starts with a rythm and the
rythm occupies the entire film. If you hear the rythm alone itself, you can identify the song. I have already given
a number of examples. THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA

7. Ilayaraja is the man who has done Miracle with carnatic music in cine songs. The Raga that was used in "Chinna
Kannan Azhaikkiran" from kavikuyil is never indented for a happy song. Ilayaraja said that it can be used for happy
songs and composed "Chinna Kannan Azhaikkiran" . (Those who know carnatic can explain better) Also the song "Mari
Mari Ninne" from sindhu Bairavi was sung in a different raga that is beyond the reach of lay people who do not know
carnatic music. Ilayaraja with the same Lyrics, changed the Raga and made the song whispered by lay people. For the
first time in cine songs Ilayaraja started from a flok song that is written in the same Raga as "Mari Mari Ninne"
in sindhubairavi, and bridged this folk song to the song "Mari Mari Ninne" itself. It was a miracle declared by
carnatic people. He mixed two ragas that are complicated and produced the song "Punjai Undu Nanjai Undu" from Unnal
Mudium Thambi.
In 1994 december musical season Ilayarja was honoured bu the music academy for his invention of a new Raga "
Panjamugi " and Ilayaraja was requested to start the season by singing. Famous violinist V.V.Subramaniyan explained
Ilayaraja's gimmics in cartnatic music. In "Sindhu Bairavi" the last song was composed only with "Aarogam", i.e.
only increasing swaras. Exactlyb speaking the pitch will never come down. Mathematically it is like a Sawtooth
wave. THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA

8. Ilayaraja was paid Rs 40 lacks for Thalabathi in 1991, the highest till then. He was the man who made the music
directors to be paid on par with or ahead of actors.
THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA

9. Many actors and directors insisted Producers to get the Callsheet from Ilayaraja and then only made commitments.
The dependancy was such that if for some reason Ilayaraja stops scoring music the entire Tamil film industry will
come to a Halt.
THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA

10. After 1976 a lot of recording centres were started bearing Ilayaraja's name and the boards drawn with Raja's
photo. They worshipped Raja like a God for promoting their career. This is very evident if you enquire a Recording
centre owner.
THIS IS THE TREND SET BY ILAYARAJA

4. CONSISTENCY
------------------------

The average number of films Ilayaraja was scoring per year was 40 and in one year he had scored 55 films. The
success percentage was more than 75 %. Even the songs which have failed were overshadowed by his other exceptional
songs. Many of them were good if you see hem alone. Also every hit song will immediately be followed by another one
and he kept the people busy. He never gave excuse that for his reason this song failed. Also he never dissappointed
the trust we and the customers had on him. Such a success in the industry has no arallel in any industry. There
were days when people cursed Raja while coming out of theatre that one song out of 6 was not good. Such
was his consistency and productivity.

5. CARNATIC MUSIC
------------------------------

I have discussed enough about his contributions to Carnatic Music in Para 3. He was appreciated by most of the
Carnatic Specialists that is talent in Carnatic Music is in no way inferior to the best in the Carnatic Field.

6. ALBUMS
----------------

His famous albums are

1. How To Name it.
2. Nothing but wind.

Nothing but wind created a record sales in Europe while How to name it is a lesson in the violin Unversities for
western Music. Raja has
been awarded Honourary Doctor by ARIZONA UNVERSITY (USA) for his services.

His latest touch is obviously "SYMPHONY". I am sure I need not tell the story about this as it is very obvious.

7. MULTY LINGUAL PERFOMANCE
--------------------------------------------------

To get an award for music in Malayalam is more difficult than getting at the national level. Ilayaraja has won the
Best Music Director Award
in Malayalam too. He gave mega hit songs in all south indian languages. Also he gave hit songs in Hindi Direcrly or
Indirectly.

8. CUSTOMIZING SONGS
-----------------------------------

Ilayaraja decided how the song should be for every actor and director. I will give a list of actors, directors and
producers who might have one null and void in Ilayaraja's absence. I feel Rajinikanth is an exception. He was
enhanced by Raja. But in the absence of Raja's music he ould have come in a different mould but not necessarily to
this extent.

ACTORS
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Rajinikanth
---------------

Right from Murattukkalai you can see the songs enhancing his image. He was built by Raja film by Film. He came out
of Raja for Manithan. ut at that time he was well estblished. It is debatable whether he dared to use a differnt
Music director during his initial stage. Anyhow it is ery evident that Ilayaraja has played a vital role in
Rajini's success. Even now VEERA was recovered by Ilayaraja which was openly ccepted by Super star himself and the
public. A failure at that time would have been a big set back to Rajini careerwise and politically.

Kamalahasan
-----------------

He was called "KAADAL ILAVARASAN". For what? Only because of songs in his films. Every Kamal Film had good songs.
Particularly amal became an aggressive hero only after SAGALAKALAVALLAVAN. Without Raja's songs he is nothing
nothing nothing. Kamal asigargal forgive me. If you wish we can have a separate debate on this.

Vijaykanth
--------------

After the failure of almost all films finally Vijaykanth got a confirmed berth in the industry when "VAIDEKI
KATHTHIRUNTHAAL" was eleased. I remember the time it was released. The song "RASATHTHI ONNA" was sung like National
Anthem. It was followed by Amman Koil Kizhakkale", "Ninaive Oru Sangeetham", "Poonthotta Kavalkaaran". Then only he
settled.

SATHYARAJ, KARTHIK, PRABHU
-----------------------------------

These guys are also benefited from a number of films like

Walter Vetrivel
Thirumathi Palanichami
Kadalora kavithaigal
Varusham 16
Kilakku Vaasal
Agni Natchaththiram
Chinna Thambi
Senthamizh Paattu

and a lot more which needs the help of a statistician.

OTHER ACTORS
-----------------------

This is a list of actors who do not have any specialities and survived only because of Ilayaraja.

MOHAN : Payanangal Mudivathillai, Udhaya Geetham, Nan Paadum Paadal, Paadu Nilave, Ilamaikalangal.

RAMARAJAN : Probably the funniest actor
Enga ooru Pattukaaran, Karagaattakaaran, and many medium hit movies

RAJKIRAN : En Raasaavin Manasula, Aranmanaikili, Ellaame En Raasaathan, Enna Petha Raasa(Producer)

MURALI : Poovilangu, Pagalnilavu, Namma Ooru Poovaaththaa, Poomani

DIRECTORS
-----------------

1. BHARATHIRAJA
----------------------------

Can you think of Barathiraja without Ilayaraja's music? Did he get the success he got with Raja after leaving him?
I am sure Barathiraja is he person who is benefited most from Raja. He is indebted to Raja like anything. But
"Varattu Gouravam" prevents Barathiraja from joining ith Raja. It is a quiet natural and very human. Because they
were friends in boyhood. While Raja went to the height of controlling the entire
cine field, Barathiraja even with the help of magnificent song struggled to secure a win in more than half of his
career. He could become only he best director in the field whereas Raja went on to become the King of the Industry.
Had Raja not been his childhood friend, he would ave digested Raja's success. s far as I am concerned, Barathiraja
can be accepted as a completely independent director only if he can give a film like "16 vayathinile",
“anvaasanai", "alaigal oyvathillai", "Mudal Mariaathai" in the absence of Raaja. Till then he can be considered to
have gone null and void in he absence of Ilayaraja.

2. BALACHANDAR
----------------------------

You know Balachandar in "Ninaithale Inikkum". You know Balachandar in "Sindhu Bairavi". Where was Balachandar
between these two?
Take a quick lok at the following films
SINDHU BAIRAVI
PUNNAGAI MANNAN
MANATHIL URUTHI VENDUM
UNNAL MUDIYUM THAMBI
PUDHU PUDHU ARTHTHANGAL

What does flash in your mind ? The stories? The actors? The actress? The Awards?

No !!! Songs Songs Songs . These songs went into Record books.

After the success of "Pudhu Pudhu Arththangal" many journals emphasised that the songs played the key roll in the
success. Our alachandar did not accept it . He told in the press that his story only was the vital reason for the
success and he was not happy to give the
Lion's share to Raja. He also declared that he is not going to use Raja's services anymore. Did he get that quality
songs thereafter? No? Don't say Duet! Only two songs that too did not help the film anyway!!

So it is very obvious that Ilayaraja is the Only person responsible for Balachandar's success in the last decade.

3. BALUMAHENDRA
------------------------------

Balu himself accepted that He will stay with Raja as long as he does music as Raja played a major roll behind his
success. To accept the talent one person is good for another talented person. I don't know why Barathiraja and
Balachandar in spite of themselves being Giants in their field could not digest Raja's Talents.

4. MAHENDRAN
-----------------------

A completed film before background music is called Double Positive technically. After finishing "Mullum Malarum",
Mahendran has shown the Double positive to Distributors. They refused to buy saying it is like documentary. But
after Raja completed Rerecording there was a heavy demand among the Distributors. Mahendran also says Ilayaraja
made a lot of difference in his Movies.

5. MANIRATHNAM
----------------------------

Mani's first two films were to be failed. But Raja salveged his pride.

They are Pagal Nilavu and Idhayakoil

Next is Mounaragam. obviously songs played the key roll.

Next one is Nayagan. Songs and BGM definitely made a difference.

Next one is Agni Natchaththiram. Only reason for success is Songs.

Next one is Idhayaththai Thirudathe. Only songs.

Next one is Anjali. Songs and BGM rescued from a disaster.

Next is Thalabathi. Songs were biggest hits.

Whenever Mani was in crisis, songs helped him a lot. Is that right today?

6.OTHERS
--------------

The only strength of the following directors is Ilayaraja. In the absence of Raja's music they would not have been
noticed at all. ( Selvamani might have survived)

P.Vasu - Chinna Thambi, Walter Vetrivel, Senthamil Pattu

R.V.Udayakumar - Kilakku vaasal, Chinna Gounder, Ponnumani, Ejaman

R.K.Selvamani - Captain Prabhakaran, Chembaruththi, Pulan Visaaranai ( He was benefited by a very good BGM also)

R.Sundarrajan - Vaideki Kaththirunthal, Amman Koil Kilakkale, Payanangal Mudivathillai, Nan Padum Paadal, Rajathi
Raja

K.Natraj - Udayageetham, Unnai Nan Sanththen, Ninaive oru sangeetham

Others like Rajkiran, Kalangiam, Kasthuriraja

PRODUCERS
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1. Sangili Murugan
2. Kovaithambi
3. Sathya movies
4. Sathyajyothi Films
5. Rajkiran
6. Amma creations Siva
7. G.V.Films

If you see the history of these people You see the role of Raja with them.

To conclude this topic 8 , if you consolidate you can see that the above people only constituted the entire Tamil
Cine Field and Raja being the heart and backbone of each one's success, it is very evident that Raja was the man
who survived the entire field between 1976 and 1990. My prevoius argument that had Ilayaraja stopped scoring musivc
in that period for some reason, the entire field would have collapsed
and come to a halt, makes a little sense.

9. TECHNOLOGY IN MUSIC
---------------------------------------

Ilayaraja was the first person to indroduce STEREO effect in songs. The film was Priya.

Ilayaraja was the first person to use computers for composing music. The film was VIKRAM.

From: Sathya (@ client-151-200-126-20.bellatlantic.net) on: Sat Jan 3 00:33:09 EST 1998

10. RAJA'S RESPONSIBILTY IN MAKING THE FILM HIT
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------

If you see Mudal Mariathai and Devar Magan, you can see the dedication and commitment shown by Ilayaraja. In the
course of BGM he suggests bit songs and some change in scrrenplay which worked out many times. Infact the name
Devar Magan was suggested by Raja, Also in Chinna Goundar, the song "Sollal Adiththa sundari" was suggested by Raja
and got a big calp. Also when situation requires, he does not hesitate to write Lyrics and Sing himself.

11. HIS PRODUCTIVITY
---------------------------------

You might have known this. The six tunes of "Chinna Thambi" were produced in 45 minutes by Ilayaraja. He has
completed entire recording of 3 songs right from Tuning in a single day. As I already said He has produced 40 films
on an average. i.e. atleast 200 songs an year in addition to rerecording in which raja is the quickest and best (in
quality). He finishes BGM in 3 days normally. Apart from all these he spends time in learning carnatic, producing
albums, symphony etc. He has completed 10 degrees in Piano in a London University which is the top Piano Univ in
the world. He can play every instrument on par with a full time professional and he was one among the top 4
Guitarists in the 80s. His favourite instrument is Guitar.

12.HIS MAGNANIMITY
---------------------------------

Many a times Raja has done music at low costs and sometimes at no cost for poor producers to uplift them. In 1993
when Parthiban was struggling for money to complete "Ulle Veliye", Raja told him he may give money for the music if
only the film becomes a successful one.

13. PROFESSIONAL COMPOSING
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His composing style is something unique, extraordinary and stunning. He never asks the technitians to play the song
and hear it. He completely writes the song as notes and ask them to play directly. He never changes the music
during the course of regersal. It means he completely run the song in mind and exactly produces in the paper.
Whenever he goes to Bombay for recording, almost all Music Directors crowd at the stuio to view hi professionalism.
Famous composer Naushad, the Music Director for Rajkaboor stated that Raja has achieved more tha 100 times other
can think about and he has a lot to
learn from the Genius Ilayaraja.

14. PROMOTING THE CINE INDUSTRY AND CONSUMER ELECTRONICS
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Until 1976 hardly few houses had radios and Taperecorders were rare. Till then even though people liked other
songs, they were not ready to spend money over them. But once Raja was in, the whole industry was busy and people
were crazy about songs. They started recording songs and all members of the house were keen at assembling whenever
Vividbharathi or Neyar Viruppam was scheduled. Statistics reveal that the sale of Radios and taperecorders
increased exponentially at that time.

I like to conclude here. I make a humble request to People cursing Raja. He is our guy who upheld out pride and
represented us. You need not appreciate him. Atleast do not wound him. Do not compare Raja with any other Person.
He is Beyond comparison. He has nothing more to achieve. Also he need not prove that he is a genius. We have enough
evdence. One can atmost aim at equalling his talents. I do not argue that other music directors are inferior to
Ilayaraja. My arguement is that Ilayaraja is superior to other people.

I am sorry for such a big discussion and I appreciate your patience to read this article and I thank you. If you
feel I missed something or I am wrong somewhere do not fail to notify.

Sathya - (vagees@hotmail.com) -(703-709-9589) - virginia
From: ROTFL (@ 203.106.188.249) on: Tue May 7 10:20:06 EDT 2002

Mr. On behalf of Sathya

You could have easily given the link, instead of testing our patience like this.

This article is filled with more holes than a 100kg cube of cheese.

Since Sathya is not here to counter-argue, let us not waste time arguing about it. After all it is ONLY one opinion of a HCIRF.

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