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Topic started by Indian Music Fan (@ 204.50.249.133) on Sun May 13 19:02:00 EDT 2001.
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Hey guys

I want to know what you think about Laxmikant Pyarelal and R.D. Burman. How do you like their music and their style and how would you compare them to Illyaraja and A.R. Rahman.

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• From: kk (@ 198.4.92.5) on: Fri May 18 10:57:26 EDT 2001
  
  Raj,
  there were MK Thayagaraja Bagavathar fan clubs in TN much in 1930s. His songs are still a rage. Even todays kids knows his songs.
  
  Pattukku pattu is a old term, thats there in tamil folk for centuries now. People answer each other, as a songs in real time. Something like Yaksha Gana in Tulu.
  
  It was me who was giving few examples. I never said there are no better songs in HFM than those.
  I just said there are no songs like or similar to that.
  
  Now answer what comician asked you.
  
  
• From: e.hari (@ 199.67.138.20) on: Fri May 18 11:17:31 EDT 2001
  
  
  >>The kind of hold , old HFM had and still has on >>people is unmatched in past TFM.
  >>There were Rafi clubs and others when probably >>most people discussing here were not born
  >>or were babies. -
  
  That says lot about the music in HFM in 80's. IF IR/ARR had not arrived, all the tamil folks would be still singing the Old tamil songs too.
  
  What is great in the songs Is Mod sey jaatey hain, or Kuch to log kahengey.
  Can you find one song similiar to ' uravennum pudiya vanil' or 'kodai kala katre' in HFM.
  If you have time, compare the songs between kilake pogum rail and saware ka kadi and please tell me, which one has more creativity.
  
  Now for your fun, this is the list of songs, where RDB has shown his god given creativity.
  
  Phir wohi raat hain ... (Ghar). - from Carpenters song "sing a song".
  
  Aaja meri bahan mai ". from a listen to the sound of rain
  
  Kaisa tera pyar kaise gussa hai tera from Love Story - from I have a dream from Abba.
  
  Chura Liya hai Tumne - YAADON KI BARAT
  "Title Track If it is Tuesday it must be Belgium"
  
  Mehbooba Mehbooba - SHOLAY
  Say you Love Me ---Demis Roussos
  
  Tumse Milke - PARINDA
  When I need You ---Leo Saye
  
  Another song in the same movie from - Fanfare For the Common Man" by Emerson Lake and Palmer
  
  Mil Gaya Ham ko Saathi - HUM KISISE KAM NAHIN
  Waterloo -- ABBA
  
  Regards
  e.hari
  
  
  
• From: bm (@ 205.188.193.174) on: Fri May 18 13:20:18 EDT 2001
  
  is this IMF the same guy who started the thread " the sweetest language in india is urdu " ?
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.1.130) on: Fri May 18 14:55:24 EDT 2001
  
  Raj...
  
  I hope Hari's posting is enough to dispel notions about the CREATIVITY you so much harp about...
  
  
• From: haris (@ 148.87.1.170) on: Fri May 18 14:56:17 EDT 2001
  
  i remember hearing pattukku pAttu ( anthAkshari) by abdul hameed in ceylon radio with pacifier in my mouth.. my mummy said the same... :-)
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Fri May 18 15:59:05 EDT 2001
  
  Raj - Chee vekkama illai? Oru thamizhana irundundu...
  
  
• From: bm (@ 64.12.103.31) on: Fri May 18 16:43:32 EDT 2001
  
  "That broadness doesn't come, whereas in North Indian music, after so many invasions from Persia, Greece, Afghanistan, and so many other places, it was enriched with different combinations "
  
  All this BS by Nikhil Banerjee and his valuable comments on carnatic music makes me totally enraged. the north indian pandits are no doubt drawing form all possible directions. they " invent " raagas...which are age old in carnatic music and shamelessly add their tag to it ..how conceited..they dont even want to think about the possibility of the mela karta scheme of things in carnatic music and are totally oblivious of the possiblity of many a raaga existing and existing well already and go on putting their names to them! i remember - in one of the concerts, pt.jasraj credited the invention of the raaga bhairaagi bhairav to Pt.ravishankar.. while he was singing the raag revathi all along...There are several other instances where various pandits are hailed as the creator of a a raaga that are so much in use in carnatic music !how ignorant are those morons who celebrate the influences and the " flow " in Hindustani music. all this crap about carnatic music being stagnant etc are just the rantings of people who dont deserve carnatic music.
  I have observed this tendency in some tamilians living outside south india ( and some misguided ones with in the region too )who think its fashionable to celebrate the north indian things without ever trying to understand or appreciate what their own rich culture has to offer...! well ,they get what they deserve..
  
  
• From: MM (@ 64.63.10.141) on: Fri May 18 21:43:26 EDT 2001
  
  My 2 cents.
  
  Tamil..be it..the language, culture, music has a very long history. Add to this the dimension of the tamil peoples effort to keep it in its pure, pristine form. That gives tamil music its identity. The melody that lalgudi's thillanas generate is beyond comparison. What has Illayaraja not done that other musicians have?? What about his sympony?..Have u heard is carnatic compositions...Have u heard them played by U Srinivas.
  
  HFM is just a medley of music from different cultures, predominantly of the short-lived genre..with occasional brilliance.Nothing to write home about.
  
  I would any day prefer listening to tamil oldies. Even tamil folk songs are so insightful, talk about nature abd above all packed with melody.
  
  I think the hindi india...believes only in packaging..everything looks good..but there will be no stuff inside...this hold good even in the hindi music field.
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.82.76) on: Fri May 25 11:43:50 EDT 2001
  
  Dear swamiji:
  
  Well, I dont support the Indian music fan for what he said about Carnatic music and that Carnatic is vocal and not instrumental. What they said was stupid.
  
  But nevertheless I want to cite a few mistakes in your post.
  
  >>>Violin - in hindustani??
  
  Of course there is. Have u heard of P. Jog, ck Datar and N Rajam. N Rajam is a south indian lady settled in Benaras who plays Hindustani style violin.In the North, the violin is often used a an accompaniment to classical vocal in the North. Even the sarangi is used. The sarangi is said to be the instrument that most closely resembles the human voice.
  
  >>>Naadaswaram
  Well there is the shehnai!! Heard of Bismillah Khan?
  
  >>Chitra Veenai
  
  My mother used to learn classical (Hindustani) Rudraveena. Besides this there are other types - Vichitra veena, saraswati veena, mayur veena.
  
  >>Flute
  Its used in Hindustani too.
  
  >>>Mandolin
  
  India's first classical mandolin player was Sajjad Hussain.
  
  >>>Guitar (thanks to Prasanna)
  
  Heard of Vishwa Mohan Bhatt???
  
  >>>Jalatharangam (like a xylophone)
  
  Oh yes there is!!! Heard the songs 'Ja re badra bairi jaa' and 'ek shahenshah ne...' and 'madhuban mein radhika ....'. they have rich jaltarang interludes.
  
  Even the piano and chirch organ are being used in Hindustani!!!! Do we have the surbahaar,sarangi,sarod,santoor and sitar????Corect me if I am wrong.
  
  >>>How can u say, a music form based on vocal alone was adapted into so many instruments?
  
  I agree with you totally in this!!! Carnatic music is extremely diverse!!!
  
  However to all those here saying Carnatic is deeper than Hindustani (or vice versa), I would like to quote from an interview of Hon. Dr Balamurli Krishna. When asked to compare the two styles, he said: "Comparing them is like looking out of a window, at 2 distant stars and trying to argue which is closer or farther. Such a comparison cannot exist between tow equally great streams". Very true.
  
  
  >>>Mr. Nikhil Banerjee's comments sound more like yours, having predisposition to North being the best.
  
  The north being the best is wrong. But its true that the North music was influenced by several countries. So the Hindustani classical style has several facets like khayal,ghazal,qawwali,thumri,dhamaar,dadra,kajri,hori,jhula,tappa,natyasangeet for which there is no equivalent in the South (JUST LIKE OUR MUSIC MAY HAVE SOME FACETS WHICH ARE ABSENT OUT THERE)
  
  
  Dear mm:
  
  >>>>HFM is just a medley of music from different cultures, predominantly of the short-lived genre..with occasional brilliance.Nothing to write home about.
  
  This is nonsense!!!! HFM(40s to early 80s) is AS fecund as TFM.
  This only shows your ignorance.
  
  
  >>>>I would any day prefer listening to tamil oldies. Even tamil folk songs are so insightful, talk about nature abd above all packed with melody.
  
  Well,even Hindi,Marathi,Gujrathi,Bengali,Punjabi,Kashmiri,Oriya folk music is as exquisite. They also talk about nature, about God, about human life etc etc etc. Again , a display of sheer ignorance or prejudice!!!!
  
  >>>>I think the hindi india...believes only in packaging..everything looks good..but there will be no stuff inside...this hold good even in the hindi music field
  
  This statement is even more stupid than YOU are!!!
  
  One more point. I am proud of the fact that ARR and IR have got international acclaim. But so had RDB when he did albums with Boy George and Code Red. Later Ashaji worked with them too. And there are nothing short of admiration for her.I have a Norwegian pen friend who told me that Salil Chaudhary HAD contributed to Norwegian music TOO.
  Recently, a program of Lataji's songs called 'Norway loves Lata' was telecast for many days on their National music channel. Lata's Royal Albert Hall concert in 1975 was considered an international event. Also, she got repeated encores from the Europeans. And she and Asha have got repeated encores from Non-Indians during all their previous concerts. When Lata went to French Guyana she was greeted by a band playing 'O Sajana ...'. Her songs are populare even in Russia, Africa and Uzbekistan.
  
  Ravi Shankar is known for having popularised fusion music. Dont forget his extensive work with the Beatles. And similarly, Zakir Hussain and Ustad Ali Akbar Khan have also contributed to the concept of East meets West. And Vishwa Mohan Bhatt was awarded the grammy. He is the inventor of the Mohan Veena, a modified guitar.
  And have you forgotten about Trilok Gurtu, and Ashaji's album with Ustad Ali Akbar Khan which got a Grammy nomination? And Zubin Mehta????
  Another thing - RDB was a brilliant sarod player trained under Ustad Ali Akbar Khan!!!!!!! And do you know how the santoor came into existence??? Please read about Shivkumar Sharma.
  
  
  THE BOTTOMLINE: The point I am trying to make is that there is no sense worrying about which is better - Carnatic or Hindustani?, or HFM or TFM?
  The reason is we are simply not qualified enough for that at all. And such a comparison cannot exist. We should learn music or else enjoy its different genres without getting into the silly argument of 'which is better'. Carnatic music and TFM are magnificent institutions, but so is the music from Hindi films(40s to ealry 80s) and the various regional films from the North. And so is Hindustani classical.
  
  
• From: lv (@ 203.197.82.76) on: Fri May 25 11:45:06 EDT 2001
  
  another thing, I dont know about Bairaagi Bhairav, but there are many raagas he has created. So has Amjad Ali Khan.
  
  

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