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COPYING - IN TAMIL FILM HISTORY

Topic started by s.senthilkumar (@ 203.197.154.163) on Mon Jan 24 07:23:36 EST 2000.
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i think "copying" is there for a long time in tamil film history.Here we discuss the tamil songs copied from others.

For a compilation of copied/inspired songs: http://copied.newtfmpage.com

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• From: SL (@ 63.253.7.187) on: Tue Apr 17 14:50:24 EDT 2001
  
  The first 4-5 bars of 'vaseegara...' sound exactly like the start of the charaNam of 'aye mEra dil pyAr ka deewAnA' by Asha in 'Don'. Otherwise, 'vaseegara' is a song with a good melody line.
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Tue Apr 17 16:52:03 EDT 2001
  
  Hi,
  
  well! back to my favorite ARR "inspired" songs
  
  " Oh! bhavuree" in daud is exactly similar to "oh! sathiree ... tere bina bi kya jeena"
  he seems to have RD burman running on the back of his mind quite a lot i guess ( remember the similarity between "varayo thozhi" in jeans and "Oh! mere sona re sona re" from that dev anand movie )
  
  some one shld have given him feed bak on this. which is why he now has shifted to the stance of " I dont listen to contemporary music anymore"
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: vijay (@ 129.252.222.2) on: Tue Apr 17 16:54:54 EDT 2001
  
  It strick me sometime back that the first few notes of "dhevan thantha veenai" from unnai naan santhithen by IR sounds pretty close to "re man sur mein ga" by asha bhonsle and scored by RDB. since IR's respect for RDB is well known, I wouldnt be surprised to know if that song actually inspired him.
  
  
• From: Kumar (@ 130.213.200.31) on: Tue Apr 17 16:59:18 EDT 2001
  
  Thanks Karthik for the links...
  
  Bad boy da u Deva... such blatant copy... too
  bad.. too bad... shame on u... un peechu kaa
  poo.. next time u copy.. atleast add a little
  bit of imagination to it... not asking for much
  just a little bit of creativity.. :((
  
  :-)
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Tue Apr 17 23:52:51 EDT 2001
  
  Sorry if the Ofra Haza link was broken!
  
  Here's the right link...
  
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/OfraHaza-ImNinAlu.rm
  
  And somebody might want to listen to this and identify some new hindi song based on this....
  
  This is the theme music of the movie Exorcist II - The Heretic, composed by the legendary Ennio Morricone!
  
  http://hammer.prohosting.com/~cyberkar/ExorcistII-TheHeretic.rm
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Suresh.I (@ 202.9.161.35) on: Wed Apr 18 01:01:47 EDT 2001
  
  hey man i am a silent viewer of newtfmpage. I like to say that copying in TFM. One of the best background score from the film Robinhood is been used entirely for the film Thiruda Thiruda by ARR. What r the fans of ARR going to tell???
  
  
  suresh.I
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Wed Apr 18 02:14:02 EDT 2001
  
  Hey Suresh!
  
  That sounds really interesting man. Could you gimme some other details...so that I could post both the audio tracks here?
  
  Can I have the name of the piece in Robinhood? Is it available in the soundtrack of the movie? And where was it copied in Thiruda thiruda?
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Wed Apr 18 03:12:16 EDT 2001
  
  Listen to all the bg tracks from Robin Hood here!
  
  http://www.cdnow.com/cgi-bin/mserver/SID=79623997/pagename=/RP/CDN/FIND/album.html/ArtistID=ROBIN+HOOD%3A+PRINCE+OF+THIEVES+%5C+O.S.T./ITEMID=171012
  
  Or if that doesnt work, search for Robinhood in cdnow.com
  
  Looks like Suresh is all fart and no stuff!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: suresh.I (@ 202.9.161.35) on: Wed Apr 18 04:51:35 EDT 2001
  
  Heyt Karthik,
  
  Have u seen the film Thiruda Thiruda!!. The cart Chasing scene!! (and most of the scenes.. although all the CBI chasing scenes)). ARR flicked the original soundtrack (i mean the BGM) for the film Robinhood and used it in the BGM of Thiruda Thiruda. There is no doubt about it.
  
  I can prove this buddy. The origanl Cassette of Robinhood is still with me.
  
  ARR Suckers!!
  
  What r u going to tell
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Wed Apr 18 05:26:25 EDT 2001
  
  Yeah I agree. ARR suckers! (Whatever that means!)
  
  I have the DVD of Thiruda Thiruda and Robinhood. Have seen both of them lots of times as they are quite old now. What you are confusing as copying is the kind of sweeping violins used in both - this is very common in orchestral pieces.
  
  I'm not going to 'tell' anything, incidentally!
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Wed Apr 18 11:49:49 EDT 2001
  
  hmm!
  
  i did listen to the back ground scores of robinhood and thiruda thirudaa(I have both in video cassettes). I know the BGM of thiruda.. thirudaa too well, it was also used for SAARC games in madras! by ARR.
  
  i think karthik is correct, except for the big violin thing there is not much in common. I dont think I wud classify this as "copy" even "inspired" would be harsh.
  
  Thirudaa thirudaa BGM was really cool stuff according to me its the best ARR has done so far. I wud want more than a remote similarity like this to really cast suspicions on that BGM.
  
  there r 3 sets of BGM he uses in that movie
  
  1) when the robbers actually steal the money frm the train (1st scene)
  
  2) the one used in most of the movie whenever there is chasing
  
  3) the one used when all the 4 of them go downhill on a cycle when an elephant chases them (this one is cool)
  
  in a few places chandralekha was used in BGM. the best pieces I loved was
  
  1) "the constant hummming of "suryoo suryoo sambeee" in the BGM when anu agarwal walks towards the villains "adi aal" with the computer card in her purse(its actually not there) and a guy on top of a building is aiming at her.
  
  2) The "aathukullai ayilai meenu" song when the truck is pulled out of the pond by elephants... manirathnam just farted all over us in that scene but BGM was cool
  
  oh! well thiruda thiruda always get me going wild.. i dunno why
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: cosmician (@ 194.170.168.244) on: Wed Apr 18 19:52:38 EDT 2001
  
  Very good analysis Bharath....I also consider the music of "Thiruda Thiruda" as a path-breaking venture in TFM.....
  
  
• From: Swamiji (@ 198.102.112.201) on: Wed Apr 18 21:10:51 EDT 2001
  
  **Repost
  Listen to the first track in
  http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/119/the_bacon_brothers.html
  
  I can hear some of "kannai katti kollathe" from Iruvar
  
  
• From: Bharadwaj (@ 63.97.239.227) on: Wed Apr 18 22:36:11 EDT 2001
  
  Hi,
  The starting music from the title song of Annamalai was inspired from the 1st movement of Beethoven's Fifth's Symphony. This item was in the 'To be confirmed' list. So, it can be put in the regular list. Thanks.
  
  
• From: Karthik S (@ 164.164.82.20) on: Thu Apr 19 02:44:44 EDT 2001
  
  Bharath:
  
  Did you notice the similarity with the track 'eye of the tiger' in the BGM which comes when the robbers are robbing the train from Nasik, right in the beginning of the movie?
  
  Eye of the tiger was by the group 'Survivor' and was also being used as the BG in a tyre advt, I think Dunlop tyres!
  
  Its not exactly same, but ARR might have been inspired by it.
  
  --Karthik
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 19 11:11:50 EDT 2001
  
  Karthik S
  
  good one! I also felt the same thing. "eye of the tiger" by survivor is one of my fav. songs.
  
  It does sound so similar, especially the heavy guitar, when the robbers do that countdown , b4 the bomb kept on the train blasts!.(one should look at the number of shots mani + p.c.sri combo showed us in that scene, that movie is a visual treat)
  
  I am not sure if ARR got inspired, if we look hard enough the same kind of music should be in a lot of Eng. movie BGM's. I guess its too tempting and catchy a tune to stay away from it.
  
  i saw it one of the honda advt's or car dealer advts abt a week ago.
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 19 13:20:25 EDT 2001
  
  Hi,
  
  I am currently listening to "mercury pookal... we want power" song by ARR from Ratchangan.
  
  the "inpiration " source of this song has always been touted as " we will rock u" by queen. but now I am listening closely paying attention to small details .
  
  I see a small string instrument in the back ground and its exactly similar to the guitar work of peter gabriel's "digging in the dirt"
  
  now this string instrument is used continuously in the ARR song (albeit hidden in the Back ground)
  but once u spotted the sound then the whole song sounds like PG song. I am not even suggesting that this is a 'copy' by I am sure now that ARR listened to the pG song and wanted to use it.
  
  but u know.. what I am beginning to like ARR's taste in english music.. I loved PG's "digging in the dirt" its a good song.
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: Naveen (@ 204.255.14.188) on: Thu Apr 19 14:14:14 EDT 2001
  
  Starting of MGR's 'Naan Aanaiyittaal' song is copied from Joaquin Rodrigo's Guitar Concerto - Aranjuez (sounds like Orange Juice!)
  check the 1st movement of 'Concierto de Aranjuez'
  http://www.stanthea.freeuk.com/stanmus.html
  Start from 3:00 Minutes (move the pointer to 3:00 in your Windows Media Player)
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 19 15:25:33 EDT 2001
  
  dev
  
  the lagaan title song u referred to as resembling
  "o fortuna" and old spice commercial. well old spice comercial is by carl orff! and the song lagaan looks similar to it
  
  bye
  bharath
  
  
• From: Bharath (@ 192.25.158.12) on: Thu Apr 19 15:26:32 EDT 2001
  
  ooops! and "o fortuna" is not the old spice commercial . old spice thing is different.
  
  byr
  bharath
  
  
• From: bm (@ 172.129.147.115) on: Thu Apr 19 15:30:38 EDT 2001
  
  the old spice commercial is from carmina burana by orff
  
  

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